What do you seek in a woman?
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- 20th-February-2011 #1
What do you seek in a woman?
We sometimes get postings here which 'warn' against many of the women who exhibit certain 'signs' of unsuitability.
But what do you seek? What qualities do you look for?
That is if you look at all, past the visual presentation.
I know that with me the visual presentation is important. As I age I have no great expectation of a pretty young-looking woman. Character on the face and body is far more the norm for my age group.
Couple that with having had two wives - women who I adored - proving to be inadequate to the task of loving a chap with few of the faults I have seen in so many others, I have great difficulty in Trusting any woman. More I do not trust myself if I fell in love again. My current strategic demand is to suffer the loss of opportunity to love before I again risk the heartache. I avoid the occasions.
And there is a 'chemistry' that causes us to fall in love.
My particular strategy allows me to virtually ignore whatever qualities are presented. But equally, not permitting myself to get into a position of having to choose loss of opportunity, I can make honest assessments and be open to the assessing with almost any women I meet. I can choose.
I find therefore that I can be quite comfortable with most women, even rabid feminists or women with 'strange' proclivities. I am not going to be anything other than an 'other' to them and they are only ever going to be a.n.other to me.
So I have some clear ideas about what is attractive in a woman to me.
High on the list is Intelligence. A willingness to say 'I don't know' and the ability to find out! A sound understanding of at least one field of knowledge or discipline. A mind open and curious but mature enough not to let in crap. A mind that can discern.
Honesty. A reverence for the Truth and an ability to know when to withold it in the best interests of the other person rather than for some benefit to herself.
Integrity. A 'whole' person is hard to find. I can accept faults and cracks in a personality as long as they are an integral part of the whole and she can navigate between her own hills and swamps, chasms and high, sunny plains.
Authenticty. There are thousands of 'roles' one can play and we live in an age where people 'act' in accord with the 'acting' they see all around them in the media and 'entertainment'. I don't want an actress. I want someone genuine. I don't mind 'acting' being part of her repertoire of skills. But the exhibition of that skill has to be by and for mutual agreement and benefit. Even 'play'.
An ability to 'easily' step outside of themselves. To 'empathise'. Not in any 'sentimental, faux manner, but genuinely. And compassion that goes with empathy when intelligence is applied. And to act on that especially with the young or thick, but not to seek approvals or benefit from the powerful.
These five / six qualities are what I also seek in men.
I can be friends with any man who exhibits these qualities.
That does not make me bisexual as none are sexual in themselves.
The Chemistry and pleasing appearance leads me to fancy women.
A sense of fun helps too.
Also, importantly, being an Adult. I like adult women almost instantly on meeting them. To me they are like the sisters I wished I had.
Adults are rare. It is not dependant simply on reaching Twenty. Most people older than twenty are as far from adulthood as a fifteen year old. Adulthood is hard developed, through hard emotional and intellectual and human 'work'. Love is work. One cannot 'be' an adult until one has successfully loved.
I can enjoy young women but their simple lack of achieving adulthood renders them as 'daughters'. I can actually love younger women quite readily in that way. I can trust myself with loving in a fatherly way. Even grandfatherly.
I can easily eschew the nasty feminist women. I can feel deep sorrow for their plight. It is like riding through the fields and seeing them up to their shoulders in a swamp. I have almost given up trying to hold out a branch for them to grip onto so I can pull them out. They are 'grown-ups' who put themselves there and they shout at and curse those that try to help them.
A younger woman, agitpropped into the mud is a better use of my efforts. There is hope for them, maybe.
But I will not let my compassion get the better of me or lead me to love them in anything other than a humane way.
Now I am rabbiting on.
What do YOU seek in a woman and why?
Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum
Love the Sinner but not the Sin.
(St. Augustine)
“ For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. “
(and within ourselves)
(Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)
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If you meet one on the road as you Go your Own Way,
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- 20th-February-2011 #2
Re: What do you seek in a woman?
I already have a woman. A woman from the pacific Islands. A woman who is part of the Hamitic bloodline like myself. She's 5ft5in and I'm 6ft3in.
She's funny and has a brutal sense of humor like myself and she's smart enough to know that feminism and political correctness is utter bull shit.
Would you like to know more?Last edited by Zuberi; 20th-February-2011 at 09:14 PM.
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Knowledge without wisdom is a load of books on the back of an ass.
Scorn and mockery towards men in need is one of the reasons feminism is dying as we speak!.
- 20th-February-2011 #3
Re: What do you seek in a woman?
I'm not too good with words, so I'm going to make it short.
Other than beauty (which is very important to me) I also want woman who is:
Not a feminist
Feminine
Lady-like
Loyal
Loving
Fun to be with
Know how to cook & do houseworks
Why? To sum it up, I like and want women who are feminine.Last edited by Gunner; 20th-February-2011 at 01:33 PM.
- 20th-February-2011 #4
Re: What do you seek in a woman?
You know those really vivacious, girly happy women that are always so supportive and encouraging to everyone around them? The kind of girl who really does make you a priority, and will literally just start crying if you get into an argument because she can't stand when you're angry at her, and will do damn near anything for you, especially if you're sick, and will gabble noisily with your mother about your various foibles, but finds them all endearing anyway? They're usually pretty short. They dress girly, and only drink champagne, and because she drinks so rarely she gets totally plastered whenever she does, and always wants to be near you, and blah no. No. No. Arg. Can't stand it.
Setting aside those all-important virtues like honesty and morality I like women who are distant, cutting, and sportingly combative. There’s a difference between that, and some noisy shrew who is legitimately aggressive and unpleasant.
'Can you do the washing up?'
'Are you telling me to do the washing up?'
'No I'm asking you,'
'Why can't you?'
'I could, but I made dinner.'
'Ordered dinner,'
'I made it by earning the money to pay for it,'
'I earn money too,'
'I wasn't saying you don't,'
'No its pretty clear you were,'
'I just meant that this time, I paid for dinner.'
'So I'm cheap?'
'Fine, you're cheap.'
'Oh, so it's like that. What else am I?'
'Contentious, impatient, snappy,'
'Is that all?'
'It'll do for now,'
'So there's more?'
'Did you think you were perfect?'
'So, just curious, do you like me because of my flaws or in spite of them?'
'Who says I like you?'
'You said you liked me, are you saying you don't anymore?'
'I was only joking,'
'Sorry for not being able to see the funny side of being insulted, and ordered to perform domestic chores,'
'We've been over that, I wasn't ordering you to do the washing up, how did that even come up? I asked you,'
'Let's go over it again. I was there if you recall. You sighed theatrically with the garbage in your hand and said 'can you do the washing up','
'Exactly, it was a question,'
'But you asked it as if it was the fifth time you'd asked. That implies you expected me to do it. You can't have expected me to do it unless you believe you have some kind of authority over me, so that makes it an order.'
'Maybe in a really convoluted way but the key point is, I'd only asked you once. However it sounded.'
'How it sounded is the key point. I've been at work all day.'
'So have I,'
'You work from the home,'
'It's still work,'
'If you can do it in your dressing gown it's not work. Fact of life.'
'No that just makes it good work. Don't blame me because you picked a terrible job,'
'I'm a doctor,'
'So?'
'Saving lives is terrible?'
'You don't save lives, you give old people scripts for valium and occasionally stick a paddle-pop on somone's tongue.'
'Well you sit at your computer all day in your dressing gown, and the cigarette smoke on it is so ancient it smells like vegemite which doesn't even make sense. You're so gross it doesn't even make sense. All you do is phone people and yell at them, and make sandwitches with breakfast cereal so don't take pot shots at my work,'
'I will, doctors are essentially extortionists. They hold peoples health to ransom for money. Then expect people to call them heroes,'
'Then all work is essentially extortion. You extort people by holding their, whatever the hell it is they'd not get if they don't buy what you sell to ransom for money.'
'Nobody needs cosmetics,'
'Is that what you sell?'
'Yeah,'
'You never offered me a discount,'
'You've never offered to get me high,'
'It's not the same,'
'Yes it is,'
'I've looked after you when you were sick.'
'What like the time you wouldn't let me in your car because I was bleeding too much?'
'That's not what happened. It's just that there was a choice between putting you in a car with leather seats, and an old peice of crap.'
'That's the textbook way to tell if somone has narcissistic personality disorder. Loved on cuts themselves, is bleeding, crazy lady says 'don't get blood on me!','
'Who says you're a loved one?'
'Nice,'
'Oh, but, Mike, I'm not nice! I'm just a cheap, contentious, impatient, snappy crazy woman who refuses to do the washing up,'
See it's like you spend all this time 'switched on,' and in work-mode. You act like being sentimental is a crime. It's all power-struggles and drama. Then when you switch-off, and you're actually being nice to each other it means so much more. Like cheese and wine, the emotional palette must be cleansed via hostility in order to appreciate the flavour of affection. I realize this means I'm dysfunctional, but that's alright. Who isn't?
- 20th-February-2011 #5
Re: What do you seek in a woman?
Not sure if you're taking the mickey or not on this but, but other than the fact that I don't always dress girly (no point when your cleaning dirt all day) and it's Baileys not champagne, this is me.... but so is the other woman!! Much as I hate to admit it, if the bf asks me to do something at the wrong moment (I'm still a normal woman, unpredictable) I'll get snotty about it. Fortunately, neither of us would complete the argument because we nearly always end up laughing at each other. Life is too short for so much petty mind games. Oh and it's his eldest little sister I discuss his foibles with
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- 20th-February-2011 #6
Re: What do you seek in a woman?
I will start with, pleasant on the eyes, reasonable, not bi-polar, independent, has her own place, her own friends, her own activities.
I want a girl to go on in the relationship like she would before the relationship. She did have a life before, and would not see why that should come to a stand still upon entering a relationship. Having a job would probably be #1 on my list of must have for a girl. A relationship is alot like a business, you need to address your inventory, have benefits, profits, and budget. If it is one sided, bankruptcy looms. So I look for motivation and a sincere desire to get to know me before wanting to get into a serious stint. I don't believe falling in love is the best way to go. I don't fall in love, I build into it, invest. Its like a bank account, what you put into is what you get out of it. Hopefully some interest develops.
- 20th-February-2011 #7
Re: What do you seek in a woman?
I may be overstating it slightly but I'm not really joking. No offense to you, I mean, most men do prefer women like you (supportive, girly, etc) but as for 'life is too short for petty mind games,' regarding silly arguments this is subjective. If you enjoyed silly arguments (and they're not really mind games, just being combative for the sheer pleasure of it) you'd think life was too short not to spend time on them. As I say there's a big difference between 'switched on,' and 'switched off,' so the arguments are like genuine power struggles, just a way of venting stress.Not sure if you're taking the mickey or not on this but, but other than the fact that I don't always dress girly (no point when your cleaning dirt all day) and it's Baileys not champagne, this is me.... but so is the other woman!! Much as I hate to admit it, if the bf asks me to do something at the wrong moment (I'm still a normal woman, unpredictable) I'll get snotty about it. Fortunately, neither of us would complete the argument because we nearly always end up laughing at each other. Life is too short for so much petty mind games. Oh and it's his eldest little sister I discuss his foibles with
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Re: What do you seek in a woman?
Nearly all my ex's have been with women who have approached me.
It's odd, really.
Most of them haven't been the nicest folks. I guess I attract a certain kind of woman.►My blog / Your Blog
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- 20th-February-2011 #9
Re: What do you seek in a woman?
Loyalty.
Has her father in her life (unless he's dead).
Intelligence, which strongly includes the ability to form and express her own opinion.
Does not watch/read/do anything that is specifically aimed at women.
Does not live her life as a victim.
Does not tell me what she thinks I want to hear.
Has the ability to question everything.
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- 20th-February-2011 #10
Re: What do you seek in a woman?
@Marx, Freud would say it has something to do with your mum.
@6ame, you forgot one. The ability to pay for her own weed.
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Wife : "I dreamt they were auctioning off dicks. The big ones went for ten dollars and the thick ones went for twenty dollars."
Husband : "How about the ones like mine?"
Wife : "Those they gave away."
Husband : "I had a dream too...I dreamt they were auctioning off pussy. The pretty ones went for a thousand dollars, and the little tight ones went for two thousand."
Wife : "And how much for the ones like mine?"
Husband : "That's where they held the auction."
- 20th-February-2011 #12
Re: What do you seek in a woman?
That's insane, because the kind of women I attract are the promiscuous kind. The kind that automatically assume that one is a sexual tyrannosaurs because one dresses conservatively and doesn't smile in public.
Good luck with that one, hopefully the fish you catch doesn't turn out to be a sociopath. As for me, I'm fine with just being friends with a female, a serious relationship will certainly drain the life from you.
Last edited by Zuberi; 20th-February-2011 at 09:32 PM.
Greed is for amateurs.
Knowledge without wisdom is a load of books on the back of an ass.
Scorn and mockery towards men in need is one of the reasons feminism is dying as we speak!.
- 20th-February-2011 #13
Re: What do you seek in a woman?
@Zuberie, yeah, just re-read my post, you think that is too much to ask?
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Re: What do you seek in a woman?
An equal
a partner
someone i can spend the rest of my life with (i dont plan on it but i dont like short term stuff and you never know how things turn out)
someone to care for and be with and just do nothing and be perfectly content
someone willing to compromise, but will not change who she is because of how I feel about something (I wouldnt do that for her, I shouldnt expect her to do it for me)
someone who can appreciate (or at least tolerate) my terrible sense of humor, obscure media knowledge, and love of 1950s horror movies, and all the dorky references I will make to the cartoonsall men by nature desire to know-aristotle
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- 22nd-February-2011 #15
Re: What do you seek in a woman?
Picky Picky Picky - some of us like plain ole simple gals...
3' tall and no teeth - with a flat top so your beer / chips won't spill during the game.
Ahem
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