They are entitled to their opinion up to a point but they are certainly not entitled to voice it while on a patrol.”

As far as I am concerned,these guys can voice and are entitled to any f'n opinion they like while on patrol,it may be the last thing they ever have an opinion on.

How is writing a little sign putting anyone in danger?

As far as I am concerned,these guys can voice and are entitled to any f'n opinion they like while on patrol,it may be the last thing they ever have an opinion on.


antimisandry.com Troops on the Front Line support Fathers4Justice

Oh yes.

YES.

I remember this when it happened. Newf4j are distinct from "original" f4j run by self-claimed feminists Matt O connor and his wife and distinct from Real f4j.

New f4j have collapsed (through ineffective leadership and lack of support all round) but the press chap was a genius in many ways at creative media getting..

This "stunt" that wasnt, was one of his best ones..

However, he has since fallen foul of such creative media getting by being caught out with some completely fictional stuff that was responded to by the "targets" as being what it was.. None existant!

And the reactions of the folks in the fathers groups related to f4j made matters worse, as is often the way with these petty buggers..

Most of the "few" new f4j activists have either moved to real f4j (which has since died a death from its long term inability to grow and get properly organised..)

Or they have spatterered themselves into disrepute by fart arsing and bickeing amongst each other about the price of fickle fluff on basefook..

A few have decided to back matt and nadines f4j campaign, which now has a laugh getting blokes arrested for showing their dicks to shoppers and other super mature stuff because they dont like what a bunch of fannies are saying on a fluffy feminist mums forum..

Sigh..

Every father or man could be said to be making his last every opinion known, not only soldiers are in the front line in the campaign against fatherhood destruction, I would guess more of them die by suicide than by bullets and IED's in war zones.

FelixBlue always bringing down other people's work... Shame really.

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FelixBlue always bringing down other people's work... Shame really.

Yes, of course mr petty. Thats what I always do, you say so so it must be true. The people sometimes bring thier own work into disrepute by bullshitting and not doing stuff that has a good effect. Ill give credit where its due and when folk or groups are not due credit but are misleading folk then I'll state that too if I think its useful info. You dont know bugger all about what your talking about when it comes to what goes on in the world of f4j etc. Its no surprise that no serious MRA's or FRA's come to this forum anymore. The place is full of timewasters.

This is the sort of petty nonsense from the webmaster of this forum that makes me wonder what his motivations are.

The same bloke (marx) who saw fit to post a thread of personal communications from the old leader of new f4j just because of a silly disagreement about why he (marx) didnt want to attend a demo called by new f4j..

Completely pooing on the group, because of a petty fall out with the leader by posting stuff that under any concept of manly decency should have been kept private.

I happen to have a lot of respect for the chaps who have tried, not always successfully, to get the increasingly couldnt-give-a-shit fathers of the UK to partake in meaningful media grabbing activism and appreciate the great difficulties and stresses of dealing with the pressures of some rather fucked up hard activists and the media and state entities they have to deal with.

But the fact is, they have not only now collapsed as a force but the details of how and why are easy to see by anyone on the publically viewable media and other webpages.

Much has been due to less than accurate reporting to the media about events as well as the endemic poor management and bad judgements. As well as a general constant decline of interest in partaking over the years from fathers.

I have reported the good and the bad, and been honest and where I have opinions that has been clear, and where facts are known they stated and can be verified.

If there is one area of the cause I do have a damned good knowledge of, it is the workings and folk involved in the fathers for justice groups.

And let me make it quite clear, even if I despair at times for the methods and actions and other aspects of how these folk I know and will speak against that, I have the greatest respect for them as men, and for their hard work and commitment, for however long it lasts..

They are, or have, done a lot more for fathers and families than any other folks at any time to get the issues known and highlighted, far more than any "laptop wank merchants" have ever done.. That can never be forgotten and never will be.

I don't know what your motivation in trying to invalidate me is marx, maybe you are tired of me upsetting the standard ways of thinking that you like here, thats ok, I happen to have respect for the work you have done here, as pretty much the ONLY person on this forum who does anything remotely looking like promoting "proper" activism.. Well considered it usually is too, unlike many of the hit and (usually these days) miss efforts of the f4j groups..

And you were entitled to take offence at the old newf4j leaders attitude because he was trying to get you to do something you didnt want to, but a simple private "fuck you arsehole" would have sufficed and he was only one person, so no need to bring the reputation of the whole group down eh?

But it matters not, new f4j are no more, real f4j have been slowed down and atomised for ages and the fathers action groups really have hit the floor now and matts group is a shadow of what it was and many folks experienced with matt regard him rather negatively and will not support his "money making" group..

I don't like the allegation made that I "always" rubbish other peoples work. It is clearly not the case as anyone can see who seeks to check that out.. I have promoted the good work of several other MRA's I admire, for example, Rob Fedders, and George Rolph, but I guess they dont count because they wont come here anymore because they didnt like how you went about things or something.. Looks like outdoors agrees with your summing up of me anyway.. But my knowledge of that chap is that he agrees to much and does little anyway.. One day hes singing your praises, the next he's bumming you.. hey ho..

Never mind, with the passing of the fathers activism cause I have been involved with for 8 years or so into the anals of history and the fact that the MRM is a long way from being capable of getting itself organised to even dream of the media successes of the f4j groups, my purpose for posting here (if there ever was one) is done now anyway.

I clearly annoy you folks (admins especially) so its best that I retire from posting here as there doesnt seem a point for me anymore, all I have to say I have said many times and I cant see any need to continue with it anymore, the whole thing is a destraction to me now and misandry seems something that is very easy to see but completely impossible to irradicate in any way, even WITHIN the MRM!

Looks like outdoors agrees with your summing up of me anyway.. But my knowledge of that chap is that he agrees to much and does little anyway.. One day hes singing your praises, the next he's bumming you.. hey ho..

Actually,I generally agree with you.....untill you fly off into outer space with your rants.

As far as F4J or the NewF4J or whatever they call themselves nowaday's have my deepest respect.

I wish I had a few father's in my area that would support each other like that and do protests.

Doing it on my own would just open me up to a full frontal attack with no defence by the feminist gestapo in my area.

You say I have done nothing,I beg to differ.

No more manbashing in the media in my area.

Not to mention the total differen't approach by our school system on how the white feather campaign is presented.

We actually now have gender nuetral media adds on d.v..

The feminist regime has virtually been shut down in their pity fest.

Oh! and btw,lots of this was(not all) with a nothing more than a keyboard.

My best accomplishment in my mind,was kicking the feminist liberal leader in the shin's at an open public presentation, when I asked about equal representation for men in parliament and was almost laughed out of the building.

We have a recording of this and are in the process of doing a Youtube video.

Now why would the liberals's edit out the laughter and applause by the crowd if they are so right in blaming men for the wage gap and d.v.? I will tell you why. Because the total lack of support for men and the laughter at the thought of a Status Of Men will only make even more men turn on and walk away from the liberal party.

Funny after that meeting how the liberal's were decimated in my area in the election,I like to think that I had a lot to do with that.

It is amazing to me at how good they were at "modifying" the recording to suit their agenda,I wish i knew somone who is an expert in recovering stuff that has been removed,so we could show exactly what the liberal party and their feminist supporter's think of men.

We all do things in our own way, sometimes the stress of the shit brings out the best of us, sometimes its simply a hairs breadth away from making us look like a load of willies, we are human and we don't always get it perfect, I never do.

I totally understand your frustration.

Re the Felix-whacking on several current threads:

Drex in various incarnations has been a consistent 'strong' voice in the MRM.

Felixblue, you are a man of action with an enviable track record. Personally, I like you, Sir, and would happily sit outside a pub on a warm eveneing and drink a few pints of moderately cool ale.

And your perspectives on F4J are from the inside and therefore of some moment.

But you go off on a rant from time to time that does none of us any good, nor the MRM.

You lapse into boasting about your appaling sexual behaviour as though we would want to see it as 'manly' when it is clearly in-charge of you rather than you of it.

You drag up supposed personal faults and failures in MRAs who have contributed well, even if not perfectly. Heck, many of us, even I, do that, and get whacked for it.

F4J did WELL. Regardless of later events, the efforts of F4J put the MRM on a World Map. It gained the International recognition we needed.

I see some sound leadership qualities in you. In the past you have made sterling attempts to generate 'action' here, to little success, and I know how frustrating that is. Been there, done that. But Felixblue, my mate, you need to put some reins on and let the better side of you do the driving.

I know my own faults better than anyone percy and some of the ones folks see in my I don't necessarily think are faults..

But that you especially and some others see the good in me (often that I cant see in myself strangely enough..) is good to know and gives me a bit of hope for the future.

Folks often want me to take on some sort of "leadership" role but I ask myself not so much is it something I am capable of, but something a fucked up nutjob like me SHOULD be doing..

Do you remember 'Private Hooke' in 'Zulu'? Based on a real character, as were all the main players in that fine film.

Hookey got one of the 11 VC's that day.

You remind me quite a lot of him, Felixblue.

In some circumstances, I would be pleased to have you fighting beside me, but by crikey I would be trying hard to keep you away from the medicinal alcohol - and the Pastor's daughter.

We have a recording of this and are in the process of doing a Youtube video.

antimisandry.com Troops on the Front Line support Fathers4Justice

Well,even though I have not seen the video that was created,apparently it was put up on a private website and removed within 8 hours.

The final edit is almost here and we think it will be banned on youtube just as quik.

It will be posted under a ghost account on YT when it is done.