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Tragic end of the boy who was brought up as a girl

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    David Reimer was hailed by scientists as a triumph of nurture over nature. But as his suicide shows, this was a terrible mistake
    By David Usborne Wednesday 12 May 2004

    Two weekends ago, 38-year-old David Reimer told his parents in their shared hometown of Winnipeg, Canada, that although he was going through a rough patch - recovering from the death of his twin brother two years ago and from his separation from his wife - things would get better very soon. He didn't explain how.

    Now his family knows. On 4 May, Reimer took his own life. While his recent ills surely contributed to the despair, his mother knows there was more to it than that. His death was the final coda to a life that became a world-renowned case study in the perils of tampering with gender. During the span of his life he had been a boy, then a girl and then a boy again. "I thought I was an it," he once said.

    The wrenching story of David (baptised as Brian) Reimer began with a freak snowstorm in 1966. His parents, working-class people from the plains of Manitoba, drove him to the local hospital for a routine circumcision. He was eight months old. But the regular surgeon had not made it in and an assistant took over. She botched the job. A cauterising implement burned David's penis - and it fell off. A witness later said that when the mistake was made there was a sizzling sound, like a steak being seared.
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    circumcision is a sick and evil practice that needs to be outlawed worldwide as female circumcision has been. Religious freedom doesn't give you the right to perform unneccessary damaging surgery to a baby's genitalia. I hate the red herring argument that doctors use to avoid the glaring violation of their Hippocratic oath i.e. it will half HIV acquisition among those who have had the surgery- women are twice as likely to get HIV than men already, should we fry the inside of the vagina to rid the mucous membranes and even the playing field? No!

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    Terrible. Doctors playing god are sick.
    I started out an optimist, but nothing turned out right..
    Then I became a pessimist, but thats a life of shite..
    I sucked at being a realist, 'cos folks will always fight..
    So now I'm saying "fuck this shit!" I'd rather sleep at night!!

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    Weird that, there was that other case where a guy was forced to be brought up as a girl - and he too took his life in his 30s - yet, all the psychiatrists and so forth all insisted he was the perfect proof they had all been waiting for that the feminist claims of a blank-slate theory of gender was true and evident, no further proof necessary.

    Two cases where boys are mutilated and brought up as girls. Both cases appear fine on the outside. Both cases result in suicide. Both cases ignored by feminists because it doesn't suit their agenda.
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    Weird that, there was that other case where a guy was forced to be brought up as a girl - and he too took his life in his 30s - yet, all the psychiatrists and so forth all insisted he was the perfect proof they had all been waiting for that the feminist claims of a blank-slate theory of gender was true and evident, no further proof necessary.

    Two cases where boys are mutilated and brought up as girls. Both cases appear fine on the outside. Both cases result in suicide. Both cases ignored by feminists because it doesn't suit their agenda.

    Sick.
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    Weird that, there was that other case where a guy was forced to be brought up as a girl - and he too took his life in his 30s - yet, all the psychiatrists and so forth all insisted he was the perfect proof they had all been waiting for that the feminist claims of a blank-slate theory of gender was true and evident, no further proof necessary.

    Two cases where boys are mutilated and brought up as girls. Both cases appear fine on the outside. Both cases result in suicide. Both cases ignored by feminists because it doesn't suit their agenda.
    Strange you don't hear anything about the female doctor who burned this guys penis off with a cauterizing tool:

    "He was eight months old. But the regular surgeon had not made it in and an assistant took over. She botched the job. A cauterising implement burned David's penis - and it fell off. A witness later said that when the mistake was made there was a sizzling sound, like a steak being seared."

    But of course you wouldn't hear anything about the female doctor who sexually mutilated the man for life. After all she was just an intern, and a female.

    John Money, the doctor that mind fucked David Reimer is the epitome of evil in the medical profession. He is a feminist hero even though his work has been discredited and shown to be inaccurate and fallacious.

    Milton Diamond exposed John Money for the complete fraud he is. This is a fairly old news story, but worth repeating on the unnecessary circumcision of male children. The story and this tragedy would not be if it were not for an incompetent Doctor burning off a baby boy's penis.

    Doctor John Money is probably in his grave by now. Good riddance! This tragedy shows what happens when an unnecessary medical procedure goes bad and the intervention of feminism into a families life via an egotistic Doctor with feminists behind him 100%.

    As Marx postulates, feminists don't give a rats arse. It doesn't further their agenda. If feminists laugh and giggle in glee at the news of a man having his penis severed by his wife, why should they feel anything for one of their victims?

    Feminism is just plain evil, inside and out. The so called "Third Wave" feminists are simply the darkest female malice imaginable wrapped in a veil of lies, deceit, and misandry. Time to shine a light on the perversion that has taken over what remains of our society.

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    The gender-fixing procedure was adopted at hospitals worldwide. And the Money theory was also embraced by the then burgeoning feminist movement as proof that social expectations of gender were misplaced.
    Even if there were no other evidence, this claim to have already "proven" something right at the beginning of an experiment shows that the whole idea was political, not scientific.

    You don't have proof of the success of something until you can objectively study the outcome. In human terms, that means at least a person's lifetime, if not also taking into consideration that person's children.

    When Christiaan Barnard did the first heart transplant, on Louis Washkansky, he said something along the lines of "the surgery was a success but it will be many years before we can tell if the idea of heart transplants is sound." That is science. When Doctor Money changed genitalia (and I'm not even sure he did the operation), all he could claim was successful surgery, NOT a successful concept.

    While there is some evidence forming that a few people (a tiny fraction) are born with genitalia that differ from the gender in their mind, there is no evidence that attempting to nurture someone against into the wrong sex can work, even if they have genitalia changed.

    Medical professionals can't have it both ways: if it is possible to nurture someone into a particular sex, there is never a need for a transsexual operation on someone with healthy genitalia. Alternately, if genitalia make the gender, boys should be brought up as boys and girls should be brought up as girls. You can't have it both ways.
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    My god. How did this turn into a discussion about how evil feminism is? And why all the hate?!
    I believe in equal rights for all irrespective of gender, race, class or religion. That's why I'm proud to call myself a feminist, and so should anyone who believes in equality of opportunity.
    Disgraceful opinions being expressed here that wouldn't be tolerated if they were made about any other minority.

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    My god.
    Yes, how may I help you?

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    How did this turn into a discussion about how evil feminism is?
    Erm, the site is about people who promote misandry - feminists are the primary promoters of misandry - so feminists get a mention.

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    And why all the hate?!
    Sadly, this is feminism for you - hatred of men and anything male.

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    I believe in equal rights for all irrespective of gender, race, class or religion.
    Ah, so you're an egalitarian. Nice to meet you.

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    That's why I'm proud to call myself a feminist, and so should anyone who believes in equality of opportunity.
    Oooh, so you mean - judging by feminist *actions* instead of their *claims* that you will say you're happy to support equality UNTIL it benefits men OR doesn't benefit women, at which point you will 'suddenly' see that equality isn't so good after all and starting demanding INequality to men's detriment, like most feminists typically do.

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    Disgraceful opinions being expressed here that wouldn't be tolerated if they were made about any other minority.
    Are you trying to suggest feminism is now a 'minority group'? Bwahahahahahahaaaaaaa

    Pathetic - but predictable.
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    My god. How did this turn into a discussion about how evil feminism is? And why all the hate?!
    I believe in equal rights for all irrespective of gender, race, class or religion. That's why I'm proud to call myself a feminist, and so should anyone who believes in equality of opportunity.
    Disgraceful opinions being expressed here that wouldn't be tolerated if they were made about any other minority.

    Oh geez...Were you not the same one who came over to MRO just the other day?

    Typical hit and run feminist poster,telling people to settle and tone it down a bit.

    If anyone is full of hatred that is applied to a specific gender it would be feminist's.

    Thanks again for re-affirming my suspicion's that the fembot's are worried about being exposed for the misandric cretin's they are.


    Now go and fight for some true equality for your gender,you know....those thing's called responsibility and accountability.
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    My god. How did this turn into a discussion about how evil feminism is? And why all the hate?!
    I believe in equal rights for all irrespective of gender, race, class or religion. That's why I'm proud to call myself a feminist, and so should anyone who believes in equality of opportunity.
    Disgraceful opinions being expressed here that wouldn't be tolerated if they were made about any other minority.
    I can see you clearly don't get the subject. A boy had his penis burned off by an incompetent doctor and then the parents got taken in by a charlatan who professed to be an expert on gender and the innate sexuality of human beings. He was pro feminist and advocated for a cause which mind fucked this man who committed suicide. He was a male by birth, the doctor turned him into a girl and then when the boy got older he realized he was a boy and converted himself back. The goal of feminism to create a gender neutral society is exactly what is to blame. Men are Men, Women are Women. Trying to mind fuck boys and men to accept different social ideals of sexuality and gender norms is what causes great harm.

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    Now, now, TPH, go easy on the poor dear... she's still under the influence.
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    Wife : "And how much for the ones like mine?"
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    The goal of feminism to create a gender neutral society - The Possible Human


    I would accept this as: The goal of feminism to create a neutered gender society;of men that is !

    and obviously the feminits and their mangina attendants have had a very large measure of success - look at Sweden




 

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