Thread: Impact of EU "anti-slapping child" legislation

Seeing as women hit kids more than men, and they are more likely to hit male children, this is in fact legislation that affects 'women's rights' more than men's. But you won't see them making much of a fuss about it because they like to pretend all violence comes from men.

If you have a kid, and that kid misbehaves quite often a quick slap/smack will bring them into line - indeed - once or twice in a childs lifetime may be more than enought to ensure a child learns the required discpline. If you dont discpline them, and they begin to esclate, this can drive you mad and the result may be an outlash on a child, so rather than a child with a slapped face, a kid could end up with real injuries.

Just go back one step and substitute "wife" for "kid" or "child". Both are guaranteed inalienable rights without responsibilities.

Men see their children as an inheritance. They will suffer long and complain quietly for own their sake. But they take a big risk.

Women see their children as hostages. If they can't milk the father, they can at least milk the State.
Stepfathers and mothers are the major abusers. Meanwhile, biological Dad's, fighting for stewardship of their offspring, don't even get a look-in.

Yan Yan, I like your concept of "hostages".
But returning to the thread, should parents be allowed to smack/slap their kids if necessary - or is the current law banning this correct, and does it result in tensions building up and a release which may cause the kid damage?

Well, women can no longer use the famous expression all the other women of my mothers generation used, "Just wait til your father comes home!!!" These kids will now just say, Daddy can't do any thing, it's against the law. Then the mom will possibly snap and injure the child and pass this on to police on Daddy's back. Hence getting nice compensation in the future, the child only having learned that pushing ppl to the edge pays off, literally!!

For hundreds of generations before us, a small lump from a Father prevented said child from receiving HUGE lumps later in life from other ppl because the said child was shown respect and how to hold his/her place. Nowadays, it's a whole new ball game. I foresee many punches in the teeth for the next set of kids coming up, they just won't know when to stop, and not knowing what DANGER is, they won't recognize when they have gone to far!!

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Recently, an EU law came into force which totally bans physical punishment of children.

I was thinking about this recently and had an idea that in fact this legislation may have the totally opposite impact it was intended to, and in fact physical maltreatment of children may have worsend.

If you have a kid, and that kid misbehaves quite often a quick slap/smack will bring them into line - indeed - once or twice in a childs lifetime may be more than enought to ensure a child learns the required discpline. If you dont discpline them, and they begin to esclate, this can drive you mad and the result may be an outlash on a child, so rather than a child with a slapped face, a kid could end up with real injuries.

Thus, I wonder, does anyone have any statistics on physical child abuse - has it got worse, or have things got better?

I have a feeling that the general level of child abuse will have gone down, but the cases that appear are far worse than were int he past, as a parents frustration builds up and results in an outlash when the parent can not longer cope.

Now, where's my son, I'm going to kill the little bugger.....(-;

Are you serious? Criminalizing disciplining your child? Crap, If I misbehaved when I was a kid I got "taken to the woodshed" to quote a often used passage. My Dad would not put up with bad behavior. Well, now the Eu will see a generation of misbehaved kids growing into adults.

TPH, alas its true even if you smack a kid in the EU it is now a criminal offense - I think this law came into effect a year or two ago.

NICK, you and TPH got it right - kids lack of respect are going to land themselves in all sorts of trouble - and I can see my son is exactly on that road )-:

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Well, women can no longer use the famous expression all the other women of my mothers generation used, "Just wait til your father comes home!!!"

I recall as a child, I'd knocked a wardrobe over and it had smacked into the wall opposite on my bedroom. My then step-dad came in and inspected the damage.

This guy was a builder - and he was big. He was bloody massive. He had thick, muscular arms and huge shoulders. I nearly pissed myself there and then, assuming he was going to batter me senseless. Instead, he tutted and said... "Just you wait until your Mother sees this..." and just as he'd said it, I heard her foot steps coming up the stairs... My Mom was a very angry lady with a bad temper. At realising she would undoubtedly batter me, I did piss myself.

An angry mom or lady is one thing. A resentful angry mom or lady is another story. I wonder which was which in your mums case. Mine was actually very sweet and tender. Just conniving in a insecure way!! My mum only smacked me once, with a wooden spoon cuz I was reaching for the stove heater. It was well deserved I say! I had learned to respect the stove, and not resent my curiosity.

My dad would probably have let me burn myself, same lesson would have been learned, but I think my curiosity would have taken a step back at that young age.

I think most get the message I am trying to convey!?

Some of the punishments metered out by the 'anti-smacking brigade' sound to me like forms of torture or just needlessly dragging out a punishment. "Lock the child in their bedroom for an hour," "Deny them dinner unless they behave," "Don't let them play any games or watch TV," "You're not going out for two weeks."

In my experience, not all children will respond as needed to being smacked: it's not the thing that works with them to correct their behaviour. However, with most children it works very well in moderation and has the huge benefit of being able to be done, over with and life able to move on right away. Not some psychologically damaging alienation or socially demeaning punishment dragged out far more than might be merited.

The OP is correct, the kids behavior will get worse and worse until one of the parents snap. This is an example of what I call child worship because now the child rules the parents. If the child misbehaves the parents can't do much about it and if they try, the child can call in the state.

Of course, when children are little monsters because you can't spank em, the parents will be blamed. Another reason not to have kids.

Sitting at my desk just a minute ago, I heard a child screaming. Naturally, I took a look out the window but as I was doing so, I was already realising that the noise was not of a child in panic but of a child having a tantrum (and any parent gets to know THAT difference!). A parent had two older children who were behaving themselves and one youngest one.

The youngest child was about 3 years old, maybe 4. The parent was trying to control the child on the narrow pavement: cars were going by so it really wasn't safe for the child to be stamping around without any control over themselves. The parent picked up the child, who then started hitting the parent around the face and neck.

Personally, I know what I would have done: put the child over my knee there and then and administered a quick smack on the bottom. That might not have stopped the noise but would probably have brought the child to its senses, stopped the assault, been safest for both adult and child and taught the child that making such a fuss - and definitely punching its parent - is not acceptable.

With the new laws coming in ... what is one to do?

(What the parent did was take all three children into a neighbour's driveway to get away from the road and then seemed to just crush the child to stop it attacking. Well, it wasn't slapped, I suppose, so a powerful bear hug might still be allowed, though it seems more dangerous to me.)

Exactly my point Douglas - this is a big problem !

It's about children's rights/oppression and the 'no smacking' is just the start. You can't confiscate a toy or pocket money unless you own the toy and the pocket money was not earned. This includes gifts given for birthday and Christmas.

Some things sure need to change, but the journey is always bumpy because of all the interest groups involved and greed, IMO.

I would say any toy or pocket money that was given by me to my son is still my property until he earns his own. How do such hairy assed laws like this get passed?