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    Great write-up about what child support is really about

    This is a great description about what is wrong with our child support system.

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    On Child Support Payments]

    In response to: New York City Agency Hoards $72 Million In Child Support Payment Monies, Black Star News Online - New Yorks Leading Investigative Newspaper August 12 New York City Agency Hoards $72 Million In Child Support Payment Monies

    There are a lot of fathers out there who've lost their jobs thanks to our government unconstitutionally interfering with and usurping the auto, banking and mortgage businesses, as well as using failed economic policies that are keeping the economy in trouble.

    Government, with its lapdog press, like to pick on groups of people to create animosity and divisiveness. Government targets individuals or easily ascertainable members of groups or groups and targets them for punishment. Such punishment is deprivation of liberties, deprivation of assets and property, deprivation of life. This is what is known as a Bill of Attainder or Bill of Pains and Penalties.

    We threw the British out of this country for doing things like that. History has a way of repeating itself though. In family courts, they have re-instituted debtor's prisons, abolished over 170 years ago, as well as Bills of Attainder, abolished at the inception of the Constitution.

    It's now time to show the government for the real "deadbeat" that it is.

    According to a 7-year study done by Arizona State University Professor Sanford Braver, Ph.D., which resulted in his book, "Divorced Dads--Shattering the Myths", he found that less than 5% of those that owed child support are true deadbeat dads-the ones with the younger trophy wives and sports cars, who don't want to pay anything.

    The truth of the matter, is that according to the Federal Gov't. General Accounting Office, Report # GAO/HRD-92-39FS, pg. 19, over 66% of those owing child support can't pay because they are unemployed, underemployed, disabled, dead, and in some cases the mothers don't want support.

    Judges order such onerous child support amounts in some cases, along with alimony, daycare, medical expenses, and other expenses, that the father can't survive. He ends up becoming despondent, leaves his job and drops out of sight. He loses all contact with his child(ren) as a result. This is the government's ultimate goal. Breaking up of father-headed families (and then mother-headed ones when there are no more fathers, wherein, the government will come for the children without any resistance). Government doesn't do anything for altruism.

    They always have a motive behind what they do and the laws they make. It's all about money, power and control.

    Judges in NJ & NY refuse to reduce child support and alimony when a man loses his job because of the current economic climate. They tell the guy that it's too soon to reduce support because "you might get another job" in a short time. Most often the guy never gets the same-salaried position and winds up making substantially less. All the while, he falls farther and farther behind, with no hope of ever making up the arrearages.

    But, do the courts reduce support? No. They keep it there until the arrears are so high, that the guy's credit is ruined, and they start putting warrants out for his arrest, even though he did everything he was supposed to do by law.

    Judges then use detainers to hold the men in jail, somewhat like bail. But, it isn't bail, because child support is a CIVIL debt. Detainers to keep the men in jail until they pay? STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES! It's not about the children! Keeping a man in jail to pay support is an oxymoron. And, most of the NJ Family Court judges are morons! How does one pay child support if in jail?

    Does he work in the jail making $10, $15, $20/hr. and have his wages garnished? Does this person invoke the INSOLVENT DEBTORS STATUTES when he gets out of jail, since he has no assets or income, and the jailing served as the remedy for the debt owed? Under the INSOLVENT DEBTORS STATUTES, the debt has been paid once the person has been jailed for it and released. But, the state will try and keep the arrears on the books.

    The reason for this: Because judges are granting high orders and enforcing them stringently because the Federal government pays the states a federal reimbursement incentive funding (42 USC Section 658a) for amounts awarded, collected and enforced. This money goes into the state coffers, no strings attached (42 USC Section 658f).

    The first things paid out of state treasuries are judicial salaries and pensions and state employee salaries and pensions.

    This is a major unconstitutional conflict-of-interest that has been outlawed by the US Supreme Court in Tumey v. Ohio, Ward v. Monroeville, Gibson v. Berryhill and other cases. The Supreme Court held that judges and officials (i.e., child support probation officials) who sit in judgment of cases that they have a financial interest in, are too tempted to abuse their contempt powers to jail unsuspecting litigants-taxpayers to extort/extract more and more monies out of them to increase the amount of funding, and ultimately increase their salaries and pensions.

    Yet, family court judges continue to thumb their noses at the US Supreme Court mandates. This is not only contempt of the Supreme Court, but felony official misconduct by judges, who are public officials that swore an oath to uphold, support and defend the U.S.

    Constitution and their respective state constitution. By refusing to disqualify themselves from these cases, where they have a financial interest in the outcome of them, the Supreme Court has held that their orders are essentially null and void and have no effect or force.

    Some will say that if we don't have judges or hearing officers to enforce orders, how then will they be enforced? As a taxpayer and voter, that is not our problem. The government made the situation. They must fix it. They can fix it by empanelling a group of people that have no financial interest (for example, economists, vocational experts, marriage experts, accountants, psychologists, even lawyers and retired judges). But, they cannot use arbitrary and capricious
    contempt powers.

    Anyone arrested on one of these orders is being arrested for not only a fraudulent order, but on a CIVIL matter. The U.S. Court of Appeals (2nd highest courts in the land) as well as the US Supreme Ct. hold that one can't be arrested on a CIVIL matter because there is no 4th Amendment probable cause that a crime has been committed to issue an arrest warrant. See, Stevens v. Rose (9th Cir. 2002), Allen v. City of Portland (9th Cir. 1995), Wooley v. City of Baton Rouge (5th Cir. 2000), Peterson v. City of Plymouth (8th Cir. 1995), Moore v. Marketplace Rest.(7th Cir. 1985), Paff v. Kaltenbach (3rd Cir. 2000).

    Also, included is the Third Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals case of U.S. v. Parker, 108 F.3d 28, 30-31 (3rd Cir. 1997)(child support a civil, commercial debt). In U.S. v. Lewko, 269 F.3d 64, 68-69 (1st Cir. 2001), the First Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals held that child support is nothing more than a common civil, commercial debt, and
    that it is NOT any "special kind of debt". Again, another fraud perpetrated by government officials. Every other Circuit, including the Third, has followed suit and hold that child support is a common commercial, civil debt.

    The child support industry is a total fraud. It is a $5-$10 BILLION per year INDUSTRY that, if eliminated, the monies saved and sent to the children that supposedly need it, would wipe out all child support arrears in the US at one time. All that would be needed to do is send the BILLIONS in the form of a Social Security check or wire transfer, since child support enforcement laws are part of the entire Social Security Act.

    Lastly, fathers will find an unusual way to pay their child support. They will sue the sheriff's officers and sheriff's departments, probation dept's. (because probation workers sought warrants when they are neither attorneys, nor were those arrested ever on probation). They will sue for Civil Rights Damages and for FALSE ARREST, ASSAULT, AND FALSE IMPRISONMENT FOR DEBT (In the New Jersey Constitution, Article I, Section 13, it prohibits Imprisonment for Debt in ANY action; every other state has such a prohibition, and 18 U.S.C. Sections 1581 and 1589 prohibit involuntary servitude by taking someone under government threat and making them work for someone else to pay off a debt).

    Even if they can't collect, the state will be paid for the uncollectible debt, to insure a win-win situation for the state. They
    collect if he pays, and they collect if he doesn't. Child support has long since stopped being about supporting children or relieving taxpayers of the welfare burden. It has now become a lucrative "REVENUE STREAM" for the states, bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars per year. in addition to being a Communistic "TRANSFER OF WEALTH" scheme for the entitlement of women, lawyers and child support INDUSTRY. If not so, then why don't we hear about DEADBEAT
    MOMS, who fail to pay ordered support in over 65% of cases?

    Before castigating the fathers for not supporting their children, show some concern for the corrupt courts who CREATE those fatherless children for profit. The judges and politicians, over the past thirty years, have trivialized fatherhood by giving sole custody to the mothers in 90(+)% of cases, denying fathers their due process rights, treating them like criminals, and separating them from their children in order to separate them from their money. Divorced, or single fathers have had fatherhood beaten out of them, and so, have no consideration for the responsibilities of siring children. Neither is there any respect for marriage by the women bearing those children.

    Fatherlessness breeds sexual promiscuity. The socialist-liberals in the courts, the legislatures, and the editorial offices have created a problem. Then they designed programs to throw money at the problem. Those programs have the opposite affect from what was desired. Instead of slowing or stopping the problem, they made it WORSE, creating even MORE fatherlessness. When you analyze the situation with an open mind, it may occur to you, as it has to some, that
    failure to pay child support might actually a rebellion against tyranny.

    Some will say "it hurts the children" when you don't pay. It hurts the children when the custodial mother, supported and empowered by the courts and politicians, deprive the children of contact with their father, which, according to empirical studies, occurs 75% of the time. No wonder there is a lost generation of children out there.

    It's not an accident. It's by design. The government breaks up families for profit, gain, power and control. Remember that the next time you accuse someone of being a "deadbeat dad"!


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    Re: Great writup about what child support is realy about

    Lastly, fathers will find an unusual way to pay their child support. They will sue the sheriff's officers and sheriff's departments, probation dept's. (because probation workers sought warrants when they are neither attorneys, nor were those arrested ever on probation). They will sue for Civil Rights Damages and for FALSE ARREST, ASSAULT, AND FALSE IMPRISONMENT FOR DEBT (In the New Jersey Constitution, Article I, Section 13, it prohibits Imprisonment for Debt in ANY action; every other state has such a prohibition, and 18 U.S.C. Sections 1581 and 1589 prohibit involuntary servitude by taking someone under government threat and making them work for someone else to pay off a debt).
    Does this happen often? I've never heard of a case like that, which stands to reason, because if the general population found out it was illegal to be imprisoned for child support, it would be a whole new ball game.

    Another thing is, based on the state's laws (like New Jersey), all one would have to do is file a petition (or is it writ?) of Habeas Corpus as soon as they're arrested and they would have to be released. I know that the fact that they were arrested and jailed in the first place shows the officials choose to blatantly disregard the laws, but Habeas Corpus is a serious petition.

    Also, why haven't these cases been taken to appeals courts? If it is law that no one can be arrested for civil matters, why hasn't anyone worked the system so there's a specific ruling about arrests for child support, which is just another form of civil debt?

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    Re: Great writup about what child support is realy about

    DAMN!!!!!

    That is a fine article, thank you so much for posting this.
    Marx this should be stickyed because it is so bloody true.
    When the femanazis tell me it's their way or the highway I tell them to fuck off and die, because at lest the highway leads to new and intresting places, their ways is a dead end.

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    Re: Great writup about what child support is realy about

    The courts get around this Debtors Prison issue by claiming that you are being imprisoned for contempt of court. That is, the court ordered you to do something and you did not comply.
    "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." - Anatole France

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    Re: Great writup about what child support is realy about

    Quote Quote from Kargan3033 View Post
    DAMN!!!!!

    That is a fine article, thank you so much for posting this.
    Marx this should be stickyed because it is so bloody true.
    I was thinking of sticking it alright... to the front page, let alone top of a forum.
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    Re: Great writup about what child support is realy about

    Quote Quote from Marx View Post
    I was thinking of sticking it alright... to the front page, let alone top of a forum.
    Do it Dude! :-)
    Pepole really need to see this, it cuts right to the whole rotten core of the system
    When the femanazis tell me it's their way or the highway I tell them to fuck off and die, because at lest the highway leads to new and intresting places, their ways is a dead end.

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    Re: Great writup about what child support is realy about

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    The courts get around this Debtors Prison issue by claiming that you are being imprisoned for contempt of court. That is, the court ordered you to do something and you did not comply.
    Okay. I get it.
    SO the court order is to pay child support. By not paying they charge you with contempt for not following a court order. Then you are technically not being imprisoned for a debt, but for disobeying a court order.

    It's still a de facto imprisonment because of civil debt though.

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    Okay. I get it.
    SO the court order is to pay child support. By not paying they charge you with contempt for not following a court order. Then you are technically not being imprisoned for a debt, but for disobeying a court order.

    It's still a de facto imprisonment because of civil debt though.
    It is but that's the loophole.
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    Re: Great write-up about what child support is really about

    The average dullard thinks child support is for the children, but its really for the parasites. The state, lawyers and neurotic crybabies who won't stop whining about women's oppression.
    It's more than enough to make one choose celibacy over peonage slavery!
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    Re: Great write-up about what child support is really about

    Every man needs to know about this and make the choice not to have children in any corrupt, feminist country. Perhaps they want this as a form of population control as the world is already overpopulated to create disincentives to mate and procreate.
    Men will not be truly free until they become sexually and reproductively independent of women. Technology, such as virtual reality and robots/sexbots/robogirls will free men and end feminism.

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    Re: Great write-up about what child support is really about

    Quote Quote from omegaflux View Post
    Okay. I get it.
    SO the court order is to pay child support. By not paying they charge you with contempt for not following a court order. Then you are technically not being imprisoned for a debt, but for disobeying a court order.

    It's still a de facto imprisonment because of civil debt though.
    Quote Quote from Garak View Post
    It is but that's the loophole.
    And therefore your debts will only rise while you are jailed. A foul, sinister, yet 'legal' trick (as long as it's done on behest of the terrorist state).


 

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