Excellent news...

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Three senior judges found that it was not acceptable for the mother to block the father’s reasonable efforts to see his two daughters.

In February this year, the father, from the Swindon area, was banned by a family judge from having any direct contact with his children, now nine and six. The father was told he could send his daughters cards, letters and gifts once a month, but could not see them because it would be too distressing for their mother.

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I have been wanting to comment on this since it was posted.

I can do nothing but shake my head at the stupidity of the family court judge's decision.

And why it took three judges and a few year's to clear up this stupidity.

Like wtf already?

Mother worship. Standard position of anti-family courts.

I hope the family court judge got a blow-job at least.

What a f'n loser.

I like the term "senior". So far it has generally inferred wisdom and intelligence; at the very least, an understanding of one's own lack of intelligence.

A person can know a lot of things. This isn't intelligence. A proper scale of intelligence is for the person to realize how little they know, and to expand this realization on their own.

Making legal decisions based on a woman's emotions is the high road to hell for any society. But we are well down that road already, and it may be all but impossible to pull back.

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Making legal decisions based on a woman's emotions is the high road to hell for any society. But we are well down that road already, and it may be all but impossible to pull back.

Difficult, but not impossible.

After finally "winning", the Dad may have trouble getting back to a solid relationship with the kids. That was a long time. And he's probably not allowed to talk about what actually happened. Meanwhile the children likely heard all sorts of things about him from their Mom over time. Sigh.

This is just one additional reason why men should not die for women. The suggestion that men should is absurd. Yes, this is irrelevant to this thread but it isn't irrelevant to the "contract" between men and women.

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After finally "winning", the Dad may have trouble getting back to a solid relationship with the kids. That was a long time. And he's probably not allowed to talk about what actually happened. Meanwhile the children likely heard all sorts of things about him from their Mom over time. Sigh.

This is indeed a good news item, one of too few but still some kind of hopeful sign. My favorite part is where the dad's female attorney was the first one not to use the term "see" in summing up what it is a father does.

This business of the "forceful character, very difficult to resist" touches on something implanted very deeply in the mythos of feminist legal and policymaking rhetoric: that women need to be protected from themselves, and their inability to make or enact decisions given the presence of a man who might disagree with them. Fathers wanting more than to "see" their daughters understand this, and must swim upstream against a strong current to help young girls not repeat this cycle in their own adulthood.

The phenomenon of women requiring the state to help them stand up against men repeats itself generation after generation as the existence of more and more single-mother households makes its way into societal norm status. It is more likely than ever that a young girl raised without her father will go on to bring up her own children without theirs.

This may be the point most difficult to pull back from as a society, and the catch-22 is that it is fathers who often impart to their children a sense of dignity in the face of resistance, the importance of taking a stand, especially in adolescence when learning to keep boys at a proper and respectful distance is an increasing necessity for young girls, often at the same time in life when girls are entering into extreme rivalries with their mothers that cause total breakdowns in maternal influence during this formative phase in a young woman's growth.

The news here in the US is full of stories about young girls too drunk to resist at a party charging a man with rape later, about women claiming they stayed in abusive homes because they were too frightened of a man to leave, etc. Many teenaged girls (including by turns both my stepdaughters in the past) go through relationships with ultra-possessive jealous boyfriends and won't break it off because they are afraid to "hurt his feelings". My own daughter has a little playmate who is a pretty rambunctious little boy (single-mom raised, of course) and used to getting his way. She gets bruised and banged up all the time playing with him because he is both careless and energetic, and expects everyone to pick up after him. When I say to her, "you have to stand up to him, make him play by the rules", she looks at me in doe-eyed innocence and says, "How?"

But she has no trouble standing up to her old man. (Believe me...) That's my whole point here. Apparently we are vested with some sort of alpha-seeking need to take charge, even as very young boys, and a glance at young girls playing with boys shows a wide palette of approaches to managing this, from the one little girl that knows how to get all the boys to wait on her hand and foot to the ones who won't even talk to boys because we frighten them. But, God willing, a girl's dad is the first man she is unafraid of, the first man she argues with, the first man with whom she both does as she's told and gets her own way, the first man whose arms she falls asleep in, the first man she adores even when she is furious at him. Without a dad doing more in her childhood than just "seeing" her, she is just organically going to seek knowledge and experience with men somewhere else, and (Breaking News, THIS JUST IN) young men have single mom radar that quickly identifies fatherless girls and puts them at the top of the hit-on list, with generally reliable results.

No wonder it is "distressing" for so many divorced moms' imaginations to let their daughters be with their dads. They have no frame of reference to have a clue what might take place between fathers and daughters, and assume from their own inexperience and the mythology of single mothers as both victims and sole caregivers that what goes on must be threatening.

"And the circle, it goes round and round, the painted ponies go up and down," and yes, we are stuck, on both sides of the pond, in a trap where burden of proof is placed on fathers for being men, among whom women never acquire the independent skill of looking out for themselves, with firmness and etiquette and without fear like adults, rather than tears and migraines and tattle-taling like fatherless little teenyboppers.

(As a side note, when did The Cause go from women demanding that fathers be more involved in raising the kids, to rebuilding the State to ensure that we take no part at all?)

But she has no trouble standing up to her old man. (Believe me...) That's my whole point here. Aparrently we are vested with some sort of alpha-seeking need to take charge, even as very young boys, and a glance at young girls playing with boys shows a wide palette of approaches to managing this, from the one little girl that knows how to get all the boys to wait on her hand and foot to the ones who won't even talk to boys because we frighten them. But, God willing, a girl's dad is the first man she is unafraid of, the first man she argues with, the first man with whom she both does as she's told and gets her own way, the first man whose arms she falls asleep in, the first man she adores even when she is furious at him. Without a dad doing more in her childhood than just "seeing" her, she is just organically going to seek knowledge and experience with men somewhere else, and (Breaking News, THIS JUST IN) young men have single mom radar that quickly identifies fatherless girls and puts them at the top of the hit-on list, with generally reliable results.

Abso-friggin'-lutely!!

She may argue to 'test boundaries' or just out of curiosity. If she really want's to become an 'independent woman', she needs a loving father first. How ironic!

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Abso-friggin'-lutely!!

She may argue to 'test boundaries' or just out of curiosity. If she really want's to become an 'independent woman', she needs a loving father first. How ironic!

More ironic is why women with strong and influential dads like Hilary Clinton get behind this "deadbeat" mindset and actually empower those who would eliminate fatherhood as a guiding institution outright...


As an afterthought, my compliments to the father in the above case for selecting a female barrister. Having a woman in the room who does not support the mother's claims, a woman fully capable of making and prevailing in an argument, flies in the face of any feminist presupposition that the man is by definition a threat or a perpetrator.

More ironic is why women with strong and influential dads like Hilary Clinton get behind this "deadbeat" mindset and actually empower those who would eliminate fatherhood as a guiding institution outright...

Well... Hitlery Klingon is not a mental giant. Perhaps she really believes that the state can be 'daddy' to all girls.
I don't know if that makes her evil or just stupid.
Maybe she just a symptom of a wider sickness?

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After finally "winning", the Dad may have trouble getting back to a solid relationship with the kids. That was a long time. And he's probably not allowed to talk about what actually happened. Meanwhile the children likely heard all sorts of things about him from their Mom over time. Sigh.

Yes. to the point where they hate the father so much that they see him as an evil criminal. I was one of those kids. I remember my mother had separated me and my father and she would talk bad about him non-stop. At this point it's up to the children to decide what they want to believe. but with so much of the mother's influence, it would most likely be a bad result.

It's almost like society is trying to completely outlaw fatherhood.