Of course women don't want a male pill - it would end those happy little 'accidents'

**frostyboy** · 19th-February-2010

From The Daily Mail:

Of course we women don't want a male pill - it would end those happy little 'accidents'

Right now, 60 men in Manchester and 20 in Edinburgh are temporarily sterile.

They have all agreed to be part of a trial for a ‘promising’ new male contraceptive jab.

Each man has had two hormone injections which will prevent him making sperm for about two months.

We haven’t heard from the chaps involved, but the scientists are certainly jolly excited about it all.

And even though the jab is nominally aimed at men, according to its inventors, it’s really women who will benefit.

Apparently, we have been crying out for years for hormonal contraceptives for men.

Or as Professor Richard Anderson of the University of Edinburgh says: ‘When we carried out surveys of women, they were enormously enthusiastic.

‘The single most common reason was that they wanted to share the responsibility for contraception.’

Which, on the face of it, seems entirely reasonable.

After all, why wouldn’t all women want their men to share the side-effects of taking hormones and the responsibility for preventing unwanted pregnancy?

And while men might be a bit wussy about being pumped full of hormones (welcome to our world), being sterile and enduring side-effects that might include being spotty and grumpy, surely there will be a huge demand for the jab from women who are fed up with being in sole charge of contraception and who will rush to sign up their reluctant partners?

Well, personally, I’m not so sure.

Yes, in theory it’s all great. Egalitarian, sensible and oh so very modern.

But are we women really crazy about handing over control of our fertility to men, even men we love and live with?

Of course, there is the ‘would you trust him to take it?’ issue.

It goes like this: women are the ones who suffer the torments of pregnancy and the burden of child-rearing, so have the most to lose if their partner is a bit slapdash with taking his pill or going back to the doctor for his top-up hormone injection.

And, so the theory goes, men are so hopeless at remembering things and famously reluctant to visit their GP that we won’t trust him to use contraception properly, and this makes it a non-starter.

Which is all very well and, up to a point, true.

Some women are both desperate not to have any more babies, and married to useless men — and those two facts may well be connected.

But there’s another problem with male contraception that is rather less talked about. And that’s whether most women really are happy giving away our power over a part of our lives that tends to mean more to us than to men.

Most women I know would be utterly horrified if their men chose new curtains without consulting them, and would be shocked to their very core if their husband came home with a new sofa, or even a radical new haircut.

So how would we feel if our man wandered off to the GP and booked himself in for a jab without consulting us?

To be honest, I’m not sure that most women would like that at all.

In my experience, the stuff of domestic life is jealously guarded by most women.

A friend of mine grumbles about her husband’s unwillingness to deal with the tiny details of their children’s lives, yet if pushed she will admit she rather relishes her role as family lynchpin.

And there can be nothing more intimate regarding that than a woman’s fertility, and I am sceptical whether lots of us will want to let go of our responsibility for it.

Or, to put it bluntly, if highly effective, side-effect and rubber-free male contraception becomes universal, it could mark the end of the very common phenomenon of the not-entirely-accidental-surprise-baby and the one-bottle- of-wine-too-many-baby which happens to the most sensible of couples.

Because, let’s face it, if all women had to wait for men to feel broody (and for this to coincide with his jab wearing off), the birth rate would drop like a stone.

I am told that there are men out there who want nothing more than to persuade or even trick their unwilling wives into having more babies, and thus will be sent packing to the doctor to get jabbed (will they get a certificate to prove it, I wonder?), but, frankly, these blokes are surely in the minority.

A rather more common scenario — and one that is a constant on the parenting site Mumsnet — is a woman desperate for a first, second or third child with an unwilling and very determined man.

This situation, especially if the woman senses time is running out, tends to cause not just sorrow and anguish, but also a sort of furious frustration. A sense that her human rights have been unfairly and unreasonably denied her.

And while it is taboo to say it, plenty of women do feel, in a primal way, that they should have the last word on how many babies they have, hence the large number of ‘surprise’ third babies around.

It is rare for women to actually lie about using contraception, but not so rare for women to cry, beg, sulk, withhold sexual favours or just stop using contraception and so leave it up to the man to take the only precautions open to him which, luckily, plenty of men don’t like doing.

As I say, this is pretty taboo stuff. But one woman who is happy to voice her belief that men really shouldn’t have too much say in the matter is mother-of-four Jerry Hall.

In her role as agony aunt, she unrepentantly told a woman who longed for a third child in the face of her husband’s opposition: ‘Honey, remember, the more you make love, the more chance there is of a happy accident… Chances are he will get used to it.

‘If not, having a baby later in life is an especially good idea: you will get alimony pretty much until your pension kicks in.’

Shocking? Maybe. But then again, Jerry is pretty chuffed with her four kids, and Mick Jagger?

Well it was fun while it lasted, but you get the feeling that Jerry believes men may come and go, but children are for ever.

Which brings us to another problem with the male jab.

While it might be a great thing in a committed relationship, where a woman really doesn’t want more babies and has suffered unpleasant side-effects from using contraception (and should probably be compulsory for certain Premiership footballers), for most women, the idea of a single man who is so opposed to babies that he has the jab is incredibly unattractive.

The same goes for a vasectomy. Most single women would run a mile from a man who’s had one, even if they don’t particularly long for children, because we don’t really like our men making unilateral decisions, whether that’s about curtains or babies.

However, I’ve known women who have been keen for their husbands to get snipped, not just because it means they can stop using contraception, but because, as one confessed to me: ‘What I like about his vasectomy is that now he can’t leave us and go off and have babies with someone else.'

And let’s face it, if he’s sterile, he isn’t likely to find a woman half my age to run off with, as she’d be put off by it.

If the jab is reversible, well, I wouldn’t have that security.’

**Kargan3033** · 19th-February-2010

This is fucking bullshit!
Women should have no say in men's reproductive rights what so ever!
Fucking bitches!
Like they have shown themselves to be reponcable in taking their brith control.
Can't live with women and you can't shoot them but funrals are a lot cheaper then having to pay out the ass for child suport!
" Happy accidents " my ass!
Ya I'm pissed off over this article
*SNARL!*

**Zuberi** · 19th-February-2010

Happy little accident?
Nice try!

Sometimes the trollop suckers him into sex for the soul purpose of turning him into a wage slave. If the pill hinders that from happening, I'm all for it!
Give that harpy, NOTHING!!!

**Nynrah Ghost** · 19th-February-2010

The writer of this article can (I apologize for my language) stick her forsaken bogus in her arse. Women have already proven they can NOT handle the responsibility of birth control. No, off course they don't want to lose that control because it gives them opportunity to dupe us into unintended fatherhood just to force us into a relation or to be a cashcow.

Women do not have the right to be 'shocked' and 'angry' if a man takes responsibility for himself and does not wants to risk being duped. If a woman's so worried that he 'forgets' using contraception, then use it yourself, bloody hypocrites.

Women stand to lose the most? You only get pregnant and you can have a abortion (as we all know, when a woman kills a baby, it's just a cluster of cells). A man however, does not get to choose once this happens. His freedom will be gone for at least the next 18 years of his life and I doubt he will easily pick his life up after that time either... So no, women do not stand to lose the most as women don't lose their freedom.

PS: women who lie and deceive through birth control are NOT rare, just look at how many unwanted babies are being born in America thanks to such women.

**Kargan3033** · 19th-February-2010

Quote from Nynrah Ghost

The writer of this article can (I apologize for my language) stick her forsaken bogus in her arse. Women have already proven they can NOT handle the responsibility of birth control. No, off course they don't want to lose that control because it gives them opportunity to dupe us into unintended fatherhood just to force us into a relation or to be a cashcow.

Women do not have the right to be 'shocked' and 'angry' if a man takes responsibility for himself and does not wants to risk being duped. If a woman's so worried that he 'forgets' using contraception, then use it yourself, bloody hypocrites.

Women stand to lose the most? You only get pregnant and you can have a abortion (as we all know, when a woman kills a baby, it's just a cluster of cells). A man however, does not get to choose once this happens. His freedom will be gone for at least the next 18 years of his life and I doubt he will easily pick his life up after that time either... So no, women do not stand to lose the most as women don't lose their freedom.

PS: women who lie and deceive through birth control are NOT rare, just look at how many unwanted babies are being born in America thanks to such women.

I hear you and I agree with you what pissed me off was what was said in the article, it's about time men took the reproductive rights back from women but yet I can not help but to be worried about the long term side effects from this, I'm very distrustful of medicen and men's health since no one really give a rat's ass about men in the western nations.

**Kargan3033** · 19th-February-2010

Quote from Zuberi

Happy little accident?
Nice try!

Sometimes the trollop suckers him into sex for the soul purpose of turning him into a wage slave. If the pill hinders that from happening, I'm all for it!
Give that harpy, NOTHING!!!

Amen to that Bro, but like I said I have a very big distrusted about new meds and men's health since the western nations don't give a shit about men and have villifed men's sexualty.

**Celtic Druid** · 19th-February-2010

After all, why wouldn’t all women want their men to share the side-effects of taking hormones and the responsibility for preventing unwanted pregnancy?

Because it'll mean previously hoodwinked men will gain reproductive rights and put an end to a multi-trillion dollar scam women engage in every year.

Apparently, we have been crying out for years for hormonal contraceptives for men.

Crying? Another shaming tactic. So very predictable!

But are we women really crazy about handing over control of our fertility to men, even men we love and live with?

Eh no, it's giving men the option of whether we decide to be a part of this fertility or not. The key word being CONTROL.

Of course, there is the ‘would you trust him to take it?’ issue.

Talk about projection. The men's pill is necessary for the very reason women can't be trusted to take it themselves.

Furthermore, it's not an "issue" per se as men have never had such an option. Anything else is just speculation based on sexism, whereas women's untrustworthiness in this area is evident to all.

But there’s another problem with male contraception that is rather less talked about. And that’s whether most women really are happy giving away our power over a part of our lives that tends to mean more to us than to men.

Yes it's all about power isn't it. Women aren't giving men any power, we're taking something that we have a right too. So who gives a toss whether women are 'happy' about this readjustment of women's traditional domination in reproduction.

So how would we feel if our man wandered off to the GP and booked himself in for a jab without consulting us?

To be honest, I’m not sure that most women would like that at all.

My body, my choice! Remember that phrase ladies?

And while it is taboo to say it, plenty of women do feel, in a primal way, that they should have the last word on how many babies they have, hence the large number of ‘surprise’ third babies around.

Yep, who cares what the man wants or the practicality of having more children. Welcome to tellytubby land where reality never clashes with the fantasy whims of women.

It is rare for women to actually lie about using contraception,

but not so rare for women to cry, beg, sulk, withhold sexual favours or just stop using contraception and so leave it up to the man to take the only precautions open to him which, luckily, plenty of men don’t like doing.

That's just a few of many other tactics employed. But if the woman suddenly stops taking contraception how is he supposed to know he has to take precautions? Isn't that essentially lying? Sounds like another tactic to allay blame through the expectation of men to read women's minds.

In her role as agony aunt, she unrepentantly told a woman who longed for a third child in the face of her husband’s opposition: ‘Honey, remember, the more you make love, the more chance there is of a happy accident… Chances are he will get used to it.

Happy accident = A man being conned into believing she was using contraception. Happy for her bank account yes.

‘If not, having a baby later in life is an especially good idea: you will get alimony pretty much until your pension kicks in.’

There you go, babies are mere annuities to some women. Motherhood has been reduced to a lucrative business.

Add this to the long list of things affecting the male libido.

**Kargan3033** · 19th-February-2010

Quote from Celtic Druid

Because it'll mean previously hoodwinked men will gain reproductive rights and put an end to a multi-trillion dollar scam women engage in every year.

Crying? Another shaming tactic. So very predictable!

Eh no, it's giving men the option of whether we decide to be a part of this fertility or not. The key word being CONTROL.

Talk about projection. The men's pill is necessary for the very reason women can't be trusted to take it themselves.

Furthermore, it's not an "issue" per se as men have never had such an option. Anything else is just speculation based on sexism, whereas women's untrustworthiness in this area is evident to all.

Yes it's all about power isn't it. Women aren't giving men any power, we're taking something that we have a right too. So who gives a toss whether women are 'happy' about this readjustment of women's traditional domination in reproduction.

My body, my choice! Remember that phrase ladies?

Yep, who cares what the man wants or the practicality of having more children. Welcome to tellytubby land where reality never clashes with the fantasy whims of women.

That's just a few of many other tactics employed. But if the woman suddenly stops taking contraception how is he supposed to know he has to take precautions? Isn't that essentially lying? Sounds like another tactic to allay blame through the expectation of men to read women's minds.

Happy accident = A man being conned into believing she was using contraception. Happy for her bank account yes.

There you go, babies are mere annuities to some women. Motherhood has been reduced to a lucrative business.

Well said Brother and so true, or as women like to do is poke holes in a man's condoms while they say they are on the pill.
Women can not and never should be trusted in the maters of birth control, we all see how they lie like a sidewalk about it which just reenforces my beilve that women can not and should not be trusted on such a seroiuse matter

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