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    Which country will fall first?


    The 'Enlightnment' nations - those 'western' countries, particularly the Anglophile ones - have been in decline for the past 50 years. We see Feminism as a plague infecting the cultures and even the thinking capacity.

    Nations are simply large bodies of people. If you put 20 people in a room and introduce the pox, someone will be the first to drop. It is inevitable that one at least will, and very likely most unless they can quickly cure it.

    So, which will be the first Nation to fail?

    Place your bets.

    (My emphases below)


    Britain’s broken society


    http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=711

    Never is the inadequacy of party politics more sharply exposed than over the issue of the steady brutalisation of our society.

    The spectacle of David Cameron being subjected to political knockabout by the Children’s Secretary Ed Balls over the Edlington child torture case is deeply distasteful.

    And yet, Cameron’s own observations in turn raise more questions than they answer.

    Cameron has been accused of making political capital out of this appalling case, in which two little boys, aged 10 and 11, attacked two other little boys aged nine and 11 with such sustained sadism that one was left next to dead and both remain psychologically scarred.

    Cameron said these appalling events proved the truth of his claim that Britain was now a ‘broken society’.

    This provoked claims by Balls and others that society is not broken at all, that Cameron is an opportunist, and that his policy of promoting marriage is pointless since the parents of the child attackers were married.

    These claims are as specious as they are cynical.

    Of course, it is proper for politicians to comment on such a case. It’s right to demand that the report on the failings of Doncaster social services and other agencies, which has been suppressed with the shameless acquiescence of Ed Balls, should be published in full.

    It is also right to question the policy of placing severely unstable and violent children with foster parents who obviously lack the expertise to cope.

    More than this, however, politicians are also justified in asking what such an attack tells us about the state of our society.

    Those who say that it tells us nothing of any significance merely illustrate the moral blindness in which such monstrous deeds are incubated.

    True, cases as extreme as Edlington are very rare. But acts of cruelty, violence or sadism inflicted both upon children and by children — at ever younger ages — are not.

    And from the evidence of professionals such as teachers, doctors and psychologists, such behaviour appears to be increasing as family life progressively disintegrates.

    Many areas are terrorised by crimes and disorder committed by children like the Edlington brothers, who display a frightening absence of feeling for any other living being.

    Many children are being brought up, as in Edlington, by grossly inadequate parents who treat them with indifference, cruelty or violence — in households where squalor and chaos rule, affection, faithfulness and trust are absent, and the behaviour such children inevitably copy is brutalised and amoral.

    In these households and in these areas, where people fuelled by a constant flow of drugs, alcohol and pornography exist outside the norms of civilised behaviour, society most definitely is broken.

    Of course, it does not appear so at all to those in the chattering classes who display all the egregious myopia of privilege.

    But there is, nevertheless, a rapidly increasing parallel universe in which social and moral conventions have shattered.

    How do you describe a country where two societies are developing alongside each other in this way, with no connection between them? I’d say it was well and truly broken in two.

    So Cameron was right to highlight the Edlington case. He was right also to stress the importance of marriage.

    Marriage is still the best vehicle for producing emotionally healthy, socially responsible children.

    To say that the parents of the Edlington attackers were themselves married is disingenuous, to say the least. This was a fractured household. The mother had borne other children by different fathers, and she and the attackers’ father split up at the end of 2008.

    The disintegration of the family lies at the heart of the progressive breakdown of moral and social behaviour — and the erosion of marriage lies at the heart of that disintegration.

    Its fragile state is due to the fact that it has been systematically emptied of meaning.

    In the Sixties and Seventies, marriage was dismissed as ‘just a piece of paper’ - and from that point on everything conspired to reduce its significance to precisely that.

    Because it requires people to act unselfishly, marriage is intrinsically vulnerable. So it needs to be shored up and protected by a web of formal and informal laws, conventions and attitudes — not least disapproval of those who flout its core principles of faithfulness and chastity.

    But for more than five decades, those laws and conventions have been systematically eroded or destroyed.

    The courts removed the concept of fault from divorce and thus emptied marriage of duty and accountability, causing the rate of divorce to shoot up.

    All the informal attitudes protecting marriage — taboos against sex outside marriage, illegitimacy, cohabitation — were similarly struck down on the basis that nothing should interfere with the individual’s ‘right’ to do whatever he or she pleased.

    With its spiritual and emotional meaning so undermined, marriage became reduced to little more than a contract of expediency.

    At the same time, extramarital child-rearing was positively encouraged by state financial incentives and the mantra that ‘families come in all shapes and sizes’ - including broken ones.

    This all took place in the context of the wider collapse of religious-based morality and its replacement by an officially-tolerated culture of moral degradation and collapse fuelled by drugs, alcohol and pornography.

    The Edlington boys’ mother fed them cannabis to keep them quiet. Given what cannabis does to the brain, is it any wonder they exhibited such pathologically violent behaviour?

    And yet our politicians and even the police are consumed by the fiction that it is not such drugs that are the problem, but the law against them.

    Restoring the marriage tax allowance, as the Tories propose, is hardly going to make a dent in all this. It has to be part of a far broader attempt to restore moral order.

    This can’t be restored until marriage is properly supported by removing both incentives and approval for extramarital sexual relationships and by putting fault back into divorce.

    It can’t be restored unless there is zero tolerance of all drug use.

    It can’t be restored unless welfare dependency is stopped dead in its tracks and a distinction made once again between responsible behaviour, which should be rewarded, and irresponsible behaviour, which should not.

    Those such as Ed Balls who say the tax system shouldn’t penalise the victims of marriage break-up should be asked how they can justify subsidising the parents of the Edlington attackers, who at one stage were receiving £400 a week in benefits with which they bought drugs, alcohol and pornography, and who abused and neglected their children who went on to viciously abuse others.

    Until our society comes to agree that it will no longer tolerate, let alone subsidise, the gross dereliction of duty by parents towards their children and shows instead zero tolerance of drug and alcohol abuse as well as of individual irresponsibility, we will never get on top of this problem.

    Certainly, politicians cannot remedy such cultural problems on their own. But their attitudes play an important role in helping shape our culture.

    If politicians send out strong and consistent signals, other currently feeble and demoralised institutions such as the churches or the courts might be encouraged to change their tune.

    If a culture wants to survive, it can do so despite apparently daunting odds. After all, the licentious and dissolute 18th century turned into the re-moralised Victorian era. Yet other cultures, such as ancient Rome, did collapse.

    Which of these examples Britain will follow depends upon the choices it now makes - either for civilisation or savagery.
    Most of the countries I noted are in a bad way. But Britain has a Prime Minister whom everyone agrees is certifiably looney and a Deputy driven by gender hatred and a philosophy that brought about the devastation Melanie talks about.

    In Oz we have The Great Leader, Chairman Maosy Kev, but I can at least go to the beach. Britain thinks their's are for fighting on but don't seem to want to fight for their lives anymore.

    Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum
    Love the Sinner but not the Sin.
    (St. Augustine)

    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
    against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. “
    (and within ourselves)
    (Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)

    A Feminist is a human being who has lost her way and turned vicious.
    If you meet one on the road as you Go your Own Way,
    offer kindness but keep your sword drawn.
    (Me)





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    Re: Which country will fall first?

    I think the US will be the first to fall, the reason I say that is their econamy is pretty much done for and their culture is pretty much in the shitter as comepaired to Britain as far as I can tell, Canada is not to far behind either, I think that once the US goes tits up, Britain and Canada will follow suit and then things will get quite intresting.
    When the femanazis tell me it's their way or the highway I tell them to fuck off and die, because at lest the highway leads to new and intresting places, their ways is a dead end.

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    Re: Which country will fall first?

    We will (the US) I think.

    We are in the fast lane, when things are going good, they are GREAT but when they are going bad...they hit us really hard. Well, things are bad and doubt they will improve.

    Ya know what folks. Osama Bin Laden hurt us pretty bad. When I look back to try and determine when things started getting more expensive I look back to 9/11 and how gas prices have been on the rise ever since and that has affected everything else (because most products must be shipped). Ya know it's funny. Bush used to say that OBL hated our freedom. Well, if that was true then OBL did win because we lost alot of that freedom since that day.

    Feminism has hurt us more than any act of terrorism could but feminism has taken 50 years to do it's damage.
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    Re: Which country will fall first?

    uk

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    Quote Quote from Garak View Post
    We will (the US) I think.

    We are in the fast lane, when things are going good, they are GREAT but when they are going bad...they hit us really hard. Well, things are bad and doubt they will improve.

    Ya know what folks. Osama Bin Laden hurt us pretty bad. When I look back to try and determine when things started getting more expensive I look back to 9/11 and how gas prices have been on the rise ever since and that has affected everything else (because most products must be shipped). Ya know it's funny. Bush used to say that OBL hated our freedom. Well, if that was true then OBL did win because we lost alot of that freedom since that day.

    Feminism has hurt us more than any act of terrorism could but feminism has taken 50 years to do it's damage.
    The diffreance between 911 and feminisim is that 911 is a .50 round to the guts, feminism is a cancer, they both do grave harm except that one is more faster then the other
    When the femanazis tell me it's their way or the highway I tell them to fuck off and die, because at lest the highway leads to new and intresting places, their ways is a dead end.

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    Re: Which country will fall first?

    England, bound in with the triumphant sea, Whose rocky shore beats back the envious siege Of watery Neptune, is now bound in with shame, With inky blots, and rotten parchment bonds: That England, that was wont to conquer others, Hath made a shameful conquest of itself.

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    Quote Quote from nivek View Post
    England, bound in with the triumphant sea, Whose rocky shore beats back the envious siege Of watery Neptune, is now bound in with shame, With inky blots, and rotten parchment bonds: That England, that was wont to conquer others, Hath made a shameful conquest of itself.
    Well said, you seem to have the gift of the gab my friend, but how do you stack England with the US, Canada, or the other europian nations?
    When the femanazis tell me it's their way or the highway I tell them to fuck off and die, because at lest the highway leads to new and intresting places, their ways is a dead end.

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    I think all of them are going to fall together thanks largely to the NWO and the greedy cock suckers who rely on hegeomony for income!

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    Re: Which country will fall first?

    It depends how you define "falling". In certain senses, many countries have already "fallen". I can only speak for the UK where I have lived all my life, but I would definitely say that we have fallen in terms of the moral collapse Melanie Phillips describes, and all the evils that flow from it.

    We may have more money and material wealth than ever before, and are home to more people than ever before; but equally we are undoubtedly a nastier, more violent, more corrupt, more divided, more wasteful, more selfish and more ignorant nation in many ways than we were fifty or so years ago. The rot has spread from the top down and back up again - just look at the utterly hopeless bunch of political pygmies who rule us. Barely a one of them fit to run a whelk stall; but my fellow citizens keep voting for these clodhoppers in their millions.

    We may already be three miles down the road to damnation.

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    I think all of them are going to fall together thanks largely to the NWO and the greedy cock suckers who rely on hegeomony for income!
    What makes you say that for?, the fall has to start somewhere, I don't think all of the western nations are going to drop dead all at once, even though that would be something to see.
    When the femanazis tell me it's their way or the highway I tell them to fuck off and die, because at lest the highway leads to new and intresting places, their ways is a dead end.

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    Well said, you seem to have the gift of the gab my friend, but how do you stack England with the US, Canada, or the other europian nations?
    Oops i should have credited Shakespeare with my post, so apologies for that.


    From what i read there's not much difference where ever you are in the English speaking nations, we're all pretty much in the same shit, Britain may lead the way (just) I think we have the jump after twelve years of communism.

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    What makes you say that for?, the fall has to start somewhere, I don't think all of the western nations are going to drop dead all at once, even though that would be something to see.
    That's the scary part!

    If those money worshipers really have their dick beaters into everything, then yes they can cut us all off with the flip of a switch. If everything does fall at once, then all of our rights will automatically go to our nation's military.
    I wager that our nations military would have orders to throw everyone in prison if our society collapses.
    What those greedy bastards fail to realize is that they can't keep and entire country in check by terrorizing them with the military.
    That's nothing more than a bull shit story right out of cheap comic book.

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    Oops i should have credited Shakespeare with my post, so apologies for that.


    From what i read there's not much difference where ever you are in the English speaking nations, we're all pretty much in the same shit, Britain may lead the way (just) I think we have the jump after twelve years of communism.
    LOL ok then.
    I don't know if what you say about britain is true or not since I have never lived there but I'll take your word for it though, which is sad realy, I like the British people but like with all western nations I hate their goverments inculding my homeland of canada, all I know is that once the western world falls, it will be a battle between the asians and the muslms for contorl of what is left of the world
    When the femanazis tell me it's their way or the highway I tell them to fuck off and die, because at lest the highway leads to new and intresting places, their ways is a dead end.

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    That's the scary part!

    If those money worshipers really have their dick beaters into everything, then yes they can cut us all off with the flip of a switch. If everything does fall at once, then all of our rights will automatically go to our nation's military.
    I wager that our nations military would have orders to throw everyone in prison if our society collapses.
    What those greedy bastards fail to realize is that they can't keep and entire country in check by terrorizing them with the military.
    That's nothing more than a bull shit story right out of cheap comic book.
    So very true Bro and while the western nations are trying to impose their military rule on their popluation the asians and muslms will step up to the plate and battle for global domination while the western nations colaspe into complet anarchy
    When the femanazis tell me it's their way or the highway I tell them to fuck off and die, because at lest the highway leads to new and intresting places, their ways is a dead end.

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    It depends how you define "falling". In certain senses, many countries have already "fallen". I can only speak for the UK where I have lived all my life, but I would definitely say that we have fallen in terms of the moral collapse Melanie Phillips describes, and all the evils that flow from it.

    We may have more money and material wealth than ever before, and are home to more people than ever before; but equally we are undoubtedly a nastier, more violent, more corrupt, more divided, more wasteful, more selfish and more ignorant nation in many ways than we were fifty or so years ago. The rot has spread from the top down and back up again - just look at the utterly hopeless bunch of political pygmies who rule us. Barely a one of them fit to run a whelk stall; but my fellow citizens keep voting for these clodhoppers in their millions.

    We may already be three miles down the road to damnation.
    Very intresting and I can see the same thing for Canada and the US and I have my doubts that any of the western nations will ever recover of this rot within them, it will only be a matter of time before the western nations collapse into complty anarchy.
    When the femanazis tell me it's their way or the highway I tell them to fuck off and die, because at lest the highway leads to new and intresting places, their ways is a dead end.


 

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