Quote from nevosopelo

This statement says quite a lot. The argument that a violent marriage should end is a valid one. However, not all children see violence in their famillies, many will split up because of sheer greed of money, property, power, on the part of the parents.

It is high time that the government stop financially supporting divorcees who become dependant on state benefits after divorce. It is a simple principle, take away the financial support to make them work harder at saving the marriage.

The state has no obligation in supporting capricious divorces by fickle people. NEVO

So the nanny state is realizing that it cannot afford the costs of single mothers and the social consequences of marginalizing husbands, and the impact on the children. Marriage is doomed as an institution, as long as it is financially advantageous for woman to marry, have children, and then divorce.

Women wanted equality, they got it and then some. Now they have to pay the consequence of a gender biased government, courts, and family law. That consequence is men delaying or opting not to get married. Why risk your financial, physical, and emotional health on a gamble that has such a huge chance of a loss?

Ah, but how to get out of this situation?

If single mothers are enjoying being breast fed by the nanny state's benefit system, who will vote for change? Hey, who would even dare question it?

Even, now in the depths of the worst ever recession there is no talk of cutting these benefits in real terms (yeah 5quid knocked off housing benefit a week, big deal!).

Why do you think that the present system is dysfunctioning? Armies of psychologists, family experts social workers and other low lifes make a living off the system - and what they they call for? A return to the past ? No! They call for more changes, more state power over the family.

Since 1945, key elite psychologists in the Tavistock institute re(defnied) the family as "relationship based", not "contract based" (marriage was originaly a contract, and is still regarded so by the Catholic Church).

Thus by defining the family as relationship base, it falls into the power sphere of psychoogists.

What the planned economy was for the USSR, psychologists are for the UK, make no mistake about it.

Today’s report will increase pressure on David Cameron to make good on his commitment to restore the transferable tax allowance for married couples to send a clear signal of support for an important institution.


Read more: Half see parents split by 16 as births outside marriage hit highest level for 200 years | Mail Online

Tax, tax, bloody tax. Is that all they suggest?

How about declaring that deliberately having a child out of wedlock or depriving a child of either of its parents without due cause and process is a Prima Facie Abuse of a child.

How about declaring that BOTH the mother and the Father are Wholly, Totally, Jointly and Severally responsible and Accountable for the financial, emotional, mental, spiritual, health, education and wellbeing of their children.

Quote from Percy

Tax, tax, bloody tax. Is that all they suggest?

How about declaring that deliberately having a child out of wedlock or depriving a child of either of its parents without due cause and process is a Prima Facie Abuse of a child.

How about declaring that BOTH the mother and the Father are Wholly, Totally, Jointly and Severally responsible and Accountable for the financial, emotional, mental, spiritual, health, education and wellbeing of their children.

Very good proposals.
Percy should e-mail them to the ministry of work and pensions. Enlightment might just befall on their heads!!!!!

It is right to help those, who for no fault of their own, are in dire need of help. However, those who break up and are left in need because they are feckless, lazyness, not wanting to take resposibility for their own life, having children and be supported by the taxpayers, should not be in the list of those in essential need.

It will get a lot worse if this situation remains unchanged, as men do not feel responsible for someone else brood.

NEVO

How about declaring that deliberately having a child out of wedlock or depriving a child of either of its parents without due cause and process is a Prima Facie Abuse of a child.

Here it is illegal to have a child out of wedlock and means either jail or deportation. It works.

It is right to help those, who for no fault of their own, are in dire need of help. However, those who break up and are left in need because they are feckless, lazyness, not wanting to take resposibility for their own life, having children and be supported by the taxpayers, should not be in the list of those in essential need.

It will get a lot worse if this situation remains unchanged, as men do not feel responsible for someone else brood

Agreed. People make mistakes and it is the heart of American Christianity to help those who cannot help themselves. (never understood why Christians persist with the whole "God helps those who help themselves" nonsense, as the very essence of Jesus' death on the Cross was precisely because God helps those who can't help themselves. Anyways...

One important thing that has allowed the transformation of our society is the removal of guilt and shame as tools to monitor people's (read "women's" behavior. It seems excessive to make it genuinely illegal to have illegitimate children. But if instead it is heaped with shame and guilt and ostracization socially, then it becomes controllable on the society level because no one wants to be "that girl". That's one of the heavy prices we pay for the Feminine tendency to want to "be nice" and have everyone get along and no one say anything bad about any type of deviant behavior.

You are right too that it will get worse as men do not feel responsible for someone else brood, as look at what happens in the one place where Feminism and matriarchy has been entrenched since the dawn of civilization (sub-Saharan Africa): lots of child murders from one of the dozens of men who may have fathered a child or two with a woman, but then comes back and murders the other children. That's the extreme example of what happens in matriarchies.

If we channel this fatherhood, it drives men to create new technologies and innovate societies because they know they're doing it for their own kids' benefit.