Dude, my dad made a career for years of circulating this stuff, going back to the early 60s. I got to travel the 48 US states quite a bit while we went around with him in summers to conferences and churches all over. I can still smell, the combination of mold, dust, cheap cologne and hymnal pages, that church life still represents to me.

And the Bible? Out of courtesy and respect, not gonna go there.

But, run with it. You're a good man.

Good luck with this thread.

God always gets it right !!!

As per hair.....
“Now we find out, in Numbers, the 6th chapter, that a Nazarite's call, a Nazarite call was to separate themselves from all the world, to the Word of God. That is a Nazarite call, separated.

We find out that Samson was a Nazarite, unto the Lord, and he was separated from the, by a sign.


And this sign was that he was to wear his hair long, with seven locks. It was a sign of separation, that he was called for a purpose.

But I think, today, when we see our sisters wearing long hair, as the Bible said they should, I think it's a Nazarite sign that they want to follow the Lord.”


William Marrion Branham.


A woman would wear a “Hat” or “Hair covering” on occasions, she wears her “Hair” all of the time.


In September 1989 the government of Malawi threw 11 women (and one two day old baby) from Rev. Dixon Kandoje's church into prison for refusing to dance for the president, which the women considered immoral.


Here is Rev. Kandoje's testimony of what they experienced in prison, before being released between 4 - 12 months later:


One day they were visited by the prison barber, according to the prison policy. The Sisters pleaded with them not to do it, but to no avail.


And as the barber set about to do his job, the Sisters knelt down and began to pray. The barber put the scissors to the hair of the first Sister, but could not cut through her hair.


He tried on the next Sister, and the results were the same. Not one hair could be cut! Again and again he tried, becoming more and more upset, but their hair simply could not be cut.


Finally, he went to another woman in the prison who was not a Believer, and the scissors cut her hair easily. After that, they never tried to cut the Sisters' hair again.

Very first line in "Principals For Marriage"

Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality . . . (1 Corinthians 7:1-2 ESV)

The "long hair" thing and modesty, was that before the invention of bras? I have the greatest respect for the bible . . . but not for those who push it by interpreting the relevancy today for us.

"The Bible teaches everything about romance and marriage."


So does Tom Leykis, and in eight words,

"Long Hair. Stay Thin. Sex Anytime. Be Quiet."

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The Bible shows one the proper way of romance and marriage. If one actually follows it, a person can have a really great life with their spouse.

Perhaps. I feel a lot of the bible can do damage, but each to their own.

The bible though is the only way of marriage as marriage is a religious commitment and should not be cheapened. However people have got confused and lost sight of the meaning from marital rape (which is an impossibility entirely) to homosexuals trying to get married.

So long as I am not forced to adhere to their beliefs, Bible believers can do as they wish (without harming themselves or others, of course). Like many ancient religious tomes, there is both good and bad in the Bible, as well as laws that may or may not benefit us today. No offense to anyone, that's just my opinion!

I mean, I have long hair...it goes halfway down my back. However, I keep it long because my lover and I like how straight and silky it is, not for religious reasons.

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Perhaps. I feel a lot of the bible can do damage, but each to their own.

The bible though is the only way of marriage as marriage is a religious commitment and should not be cheapened. However people have got confused and lost sight of the meaning from marital rape (which is an impossibility entirely) to homosexuals trying to get married.

How is marital rape an impossibility?

If a man comes home late, completely drained from a tough day at work, and his wife comes out seductive/naked and forces herself on him...isn't this marriage rape?
If a woman comes home tired from a long day at work, and her husband arouses her without consent and forces himself on her...isn't this marriage rape?

Just because one person is married to another doesn't give them the right to use sexuality as a weapon against the spouse's body. Can you explain what your viewpoint is on this?

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If a man comes home late, completely drained from a tough day at work, and his wife comes out seductive/naked and forces herself on him...isn't this marriage rape?

No. Only men can rape. Never a woman. Haven't you been listening to your feminist educators?

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No. Only men can rape. Never a woman. Haven't you been listening to your feminist educators?

Well, one can certainly HEAR them. Finding something worth LISTENING to is an *entirely* different matter...

Seriously though, we all know that being penetrated is not the only way someone can be raped. Any time that a person's body is used against their sexual wishes is rape in my mind. This can be man/man, woman/man, woman/woman and man/woman. The fact we only are told about 1/4 of the situations involved doesn't preclude the existence of the others.

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Well, one can certainly HEAR them. Finding something worth LISTENING to is an *entirely* different matter...

Seriously though, we all know that being penetrated is not the only way someone can be raped. Any time that a person's body is used against their sexual wishes is rape in my mind. This can be man/man, woman/man, woman/woman and man/woman. The fact we only are told about 1/4 of the situations involved doesn't preclude the existence of the others.

I don't know if you read this:

Immaculate deception: 'I don't regret tricking my boyfriend into having kids'

Through my eyes, this is a story of a man being raped. The laws generally refer to "informed consent". Also taking a man's children away without legality or cause is rape.

Folks just ought not do each other thataway. Sex is precious and sacred.

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How is marital rape an impossibility?

Marriage is supposed to have sex.

marriage for new age gals is like the opening of the gates of Troy for the wooden Horse;

after the Bacchanalian the Greeks let in their cohorts who proceeded to rape and pillage in that order much the same result for men nowadays who pander to the horse - first they are raped by the Family Court then his ex pillages his assets

moral; beware of wooden offerings ( promises from new age gals)

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Marriage is supposed to have sex.

Well duh...of course it is. And lots of it too, if you're lucky!
However, there is a difference between "sex" and "rape". One is the sacred/fun/loving coming together of 2 partners...the other is using your partner's body against them for your own needs, and discounting theirs.

C'mon Floaty, my friend. You know this!

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I don't know if you read this:

Immaculate deception: 'I don't regret tricking my boyfriend into having kids'

Through my eyes, this is a story of a man being raped. The laws generally refer to "informed consent". Also taking a man's children away without legality or cause is rape.

Folks just ought not do each other thataway. Sex is precious and sacred.

No, I haven't read it yet. I'll do that during my lunch break.

I agree with your other statement too. I don't do "sex magick" like some other Wiccans, but I've always viewed sex as something that is meant to be cherished, and only done with someone you really care about. Regardless if the sex is "vanilla", dom & sub, roleplaying or just relaxing...I can't imagine doing any of that with someone I don't know or respect.

Now, for my lover who I *do* know, love, respect & trust...let's just say I wear him out sometimes lol.

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How is .........................

Judging by your response, you may have mistaken parts in my post for opinion or factual content. I will highlight all of the following and my original post in red for facts and blue for opinion, just to make it clear.

For the record, I hate the concept of rape, real rape I mean, not the majority of "rape". So much so, there are some films like the butterfly effect or the hills have eyes that I really wanted to watch, but have to turn off.

(Please don't take my posts/confuse my tone; as confrontational/hostile/disliking/etc by the way. I have no problem with your post as it is nicely stated. A lot of people mix too much emotion in to this issue and can't even discuss it.)

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So long as I am not forced to adhere to their beliefs, Bible believers can do as they wish (without harming themselves or others, of course).

I agree. However I usually find that, even if religious people aren't forcing their beliefs on others, their views and unwavering belief in their faith, could be admirable but is usually damaging and hateful. The bible is a very hateful book, which can be illustrated with asking religious folk why the devil is evil and why god is great.

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Like many ancient religious tomes, there is both good and bad in the Bible, as well as laws that may or may not benefit us today. No offense to anyone, that's just my opinion!

I feel there is little good in the bible and whatever is good, is overridden by hatred, vengeance and the most disgusting morals regarding family and society that today are unthinkable. On a related subject, what kind of monster names their child Dinah?

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Perhaps. I feel a lot of the bible can do damage, but each to their own.

The bible though is the only way of marriage as marriage is a religious commitment and should not be cheapened. However people have got confused and lost sight of the meaning from marital rape (which is an impossibility entirely) to homosexuals trying to get married.

Quote from Traveler

Just because one person is married to another doesn't give them the right to use sexuality as a weapon against the spouse's body. Can you explain what your viewpoint is on this?

It isn't my viewpoint. It is a fact, such as why the sky is blue. It is a fact, neither of us may like, but a fact nonetheless. Morally, I don't think forcing oneself on another is ever right either, hence why I'm not married, nor a rapist.

People often don't understand the full commitment of marriage. I may not like religion and renounce my faith that was forced on me as a child, raping my soul, but just because I dislike, even despise some religions at times, doesn't mean I don't respect them or think people shouldn't take part in them.

When around others religious practices, I won't object or stand in the way, neither will I engage in hypocrisy. Instead I will sit in silence throughout in a church for instance, without joining in or vocally objecting, perhaps the happy median.

Anyway, marriage and other religious practices should not be cheapened, which they are when people do not understand the vows they are taking or allow those smite to hell, like homosexuals to take part.

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How is marital rape an impossibility?

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Marriage is supposed to have sex.

Bingo, give floaty a cookie!

As I said, people do not understand the vows they are taking on. Marriage is more than the joining of man and woman. I'm just quoting the religious view on the commitment of marriage below. I have witheld from adding some parts of the bible that are quite frankly nasty by today's consensus likening women to cattle or slaves in marriages. Below are the more loving quotes on marriage and the serving of one another that doesn't sound rapy-fied!



The formation of woman and the joining of man and woman once more:

Quote from Genesis 2:18 >

This one shall be called ‘woman,’
for out of ‘her man’ this one has been taken.”
That is why a man leaves his father and mother
and clings to his wife,
and the two of them become one body.
The word of the Lord.

Quote from Genesis 2:23 >

This is now bone of my bones,
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man

Quote from Genesis 2:23 >

A man shall leave his father and his mother,
and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.
And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.

This analysis sums it up quite well:

Quote from Biblical studies/analysis from discovertheword.org

Throughout this passage weave several strands of Genesis 2:24 with which Paul ends his comments. The husband/wife relationship is the integral connection of head to body/body to head = one flesh. The husband who loves his wife loves himself, nourishing and cherishing her as he would his own flesh.

This is why marital rape cannot exist. When two marry, they stop servicing the lord with their sexuality and serve each other. Far more than that, they merge unto one soul, the same thoughts, feelings and dreams.

Most importantly, they merge unto one body. That is why their is no such thing as marital rape or sex. Various parts of the bible are more lenient, but one of the founding books is clear, sex within a marriage, is masturbation as it is sex upon one body, one soul.

Until angry masturbation without consent becomes a crime, which would be odd, as if you're caught masturbating by a partner, you could claim you were raping yourself, any marital sex act can not be a crime.



Love, honour and obedience:

Quote from Genesis 3:16 >

Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.

Quote from Proverbs 31:10-12

A wife of noble character who can find?
She is worth far more than rubies.
Her husband has full confidence in her
and lacks nothing of value.
She brings him good, not harm,
all the days of her life.

Quote from Colossians 3:18-19

Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them.

Quote from Corinthians 7:32-34

He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife. There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

Ignored parts of the bible that if followed would make others happier/some of my favourite parts of the bible:

Quote from Deuteronomy 24:5 >

If a man has recently married, he must not be sent to war or have any other duty laid on him. For one year he is to be free to stay at home and bring happiness to the wife he has married.

Quote from Proverbs 5:18-19

May your fountain be blessed,
and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth.
A loving doe, a graceful deer--
may her breasts satisfy you always,
may you ever be captivated by her love.

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Any time that a person's body is used against their sexual wishes is rape in my mind. This can be man/man, woman/man, woman/woman and man/woman. The fact we only are told about 1/4 of the situations involved doesn't preclude the existence of the others.

Completely disagree, that's coming from someone who truly hates rape!

There are varying degrees of sexual misuse/abuse. Ranging from consensual acts like USI (those who cannot legally consent), drunk sex regretted the next morning, changing your mind halfway through, etc, that society mislabels as rape. None of that is rape at all, but still may be a crime based on our laws and morals, right down to miscarriages of justice.

Then to unwanted sex in a relationship, such as when you're not in the mood, but your partner won't shut up or is going to sulk for a week so you throw them a bone/vag just to shut them up. We've all probably done this, especially in unhappy relationships and it's not only women that fake headaches.

Then to what rape actually is, holding someone down with all your might, causing intense injury to their restrained body as they kick, bite, punch and fight for their life and sexual choice.

This part I disagree with.

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For the record, I hate the concept of rape, real rape I mean, not the majority of "rape". So much so, there are some films like the butterfly effect or the hills have eyes that I really wanted to watch, but have to turn off.

(Please don't take my posts/confuse my tone; as confrontational/hostile/disliking/etc by the way. I have no problem with your post as it is nicely stated. A lot of people mix too much emotion in to this issue and can't even discuss it.)






I agree. However I usually find that, even if religious people aren't forcing their beliefs on others, their views and unwavering belief in their faith, could be admirable but is usually damaging and hateful. The bible is a very hateful book, which can be illustrated with asking religious folk why the devil is evil and why god is great.






I feel there is little good in the bible and whatever is good, is overridden by hatred, vengeance and the most disgusting morals regarding family and society that today are unthinkable. On a related subject, what kind of monster names their child Dinah?

The rest is spot on.