15,000 to 18,000 Divorced Men Commit Suicide Every Year

**Tyrael** · 23rd-December-2008

http://www.fathers.ca/government_and_terrorist.htm

The Media Doesn't Publish & the Government Won't Release" Every year 24,000 men commit suicide. Every 22 minutes one male commits suicide. Based on the fact that a divorced male is 2.5 to 3 times more likely to commit suicide than the average male, the estimate for divorced men, most likely fathers since there is tremendously more trauma placed on them, committing suicide every year would be 15,000 to 18,000 men.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/03/15/...ce.suicide.wmd/

Men more likely to commit suicide after divorce, study finds

Men seeking a good reason to salvage their marriages may want to consider this: A new study finds that divorced and separated men are two and a half times more likely to commit suicide than married men.

Divorce, however, doesn't seem to lead more women to commit suicide -- a surprising finding considering the popular wisdom that women suffer more than men after a divorce, according to the study, published this week in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health.

Listen to the typical shaming language in the cnn article above (published in 2000). Little did this idiots know that the obvious other recourse was not to marry in the first place.

glennsacks.com | Distraught Father's Courthouse Suicide Highlights America's Male Suicide Epidemic

The other most common suicide victims are divorced and/or estranged fathers like Derrick Miller. In fact, a divorced father is ten times more likely to commit suicide than a divorced mother, and three times more likely to commit suicide than a married father. According to Los Angeles divorce consultant Jayne Major:

"Divorced men are often devastated by the loss of their children. It's a little known fact that in the United States men initiate only a small number of the divorces involving children. Most of the men I deal with never saw their divorces coming, and they are often treated very unfairly by the family courts."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/03/14/...ain171971.shtml

Men Wear Divorce Badly

Divorce may elevate suicide risk with raised psychological distress. (AP)

Divorced men face twice as high a risk of suicide as their married counterparts.

(CBS) How do married men fare after a divorce?

When it comes to some American men, apparently not well, according to a University of California sociologist who just published a large national study on divorce and suicide.

Augustine Kposowa of the University of California at Riverside, spoke from Los Angeles on his findings with The Early Show's Jon Frankel on Thursday."Divorced and separated persons were over twice as likely to commit suicide as married individuals," Kposowa states in his study. In fact, divorced men end up with twice as high a risk of suicide as their married counterparts.

He did not find such a high suicide rate among divorced women, however.

Kposowa gave three possible explanations, based on opinion.

First, he cites "financial obligations," adding that "The courts in the United States are in a position now whereby money is given to the woman, or the man is forced to pay alimony, child support. The man is also asked, in some cases, to vacate the house."

Kposowa also notes familial factors. "If a man loses custody of the children and the woman keeps those children, there are situations whereby she may not allow the man to see the children, and that causes some depression," he says.

And there are the methods used. "Generally the methods that men and women use to commit suicide are different. Men tend to use guns, for the most part, in the United States. In fact, in 60 percent of suicides that are committed are by a firearm, a gun."

"Women are, on the other hand, attempt suicide more often than men," Kposowa says. "Men are more likely to take their own life."

"Women tend to initiate divorce more than men," Kposowa notes. "They do think about suicide. They attempt suicide more often than men do, but men (are more likely to go through with it) because men use more lethal weapons, whereas women use less lethal weapons. If a man uses a gun, he's less likely to survive. If a woman uses drugs, medications,...her chances of survival are higher."

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Here are some key points, excerpted from the study's findings, when adjusted for the effects of socioeconomic status:

* Men were nearly 4.8 times as likey to commit suicide as women.

* African Americans experienced a risk of suicide that was 61 percent lower than that of whites.

* In general, the lower the level of education, the higher the risk of suicide.

* As for income, only those in households with incomes between $5,000 and $9,999 (inclusive) had a significant suicide risk.

* Residents of Western states had much higher risks of suicide.

* Persons 55 to 64 years old were 41 percent more likely to kill themselves than youths (15 to 24).

* Those 65 years or older had a suicide risk that was 61 percent higher than the risk exhibited by individuals 15 to 24 years of age.

How does Kposowa explain the connection? "It may be marriage confers health and many other advantages which divorced persons lack," he writes.

The different findings by sex occur, he argues in the report, because "Perhaps women form greater supportive networks, such as meaningful friendships at a higher level than men, and regardless of their marital status." So when their marital status changes, women have their friends.

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"Although divorce is a crisis and a profoundly stressful life event for many people, men and women react to the crisis and stress differently. Men kill themselves, but women do not," he further writes.

The study, "Marial Status and Suicide in the National Longitudinal Mortality Study," published this month in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health considered data from the National Longitudinal Mortality Study, from 1979 to 1989. The samples came from the Current Population Survey, by the U.S. Bureau of the Census.

The deaths of these men is equivalent to 5 or 6 9/11 incidents per year with children left without fathers and it doesn't cause a ripple in the pond of public, media or (big)government interest.

**shaazam** · 23rd-December-2008

"""...Divorce may elevate suicide risk with raised psychological distress. (AP)""

guess so !!

**Stan** · 27th-December-2008

Quote from Tyrael

The deaths of these men is equivalent to 5 or 6 9/11 incidents per year with children left without fathers and it doesn't cause a ripple in the pond of public, media or (big)government interest.

Sad. There are many more living, interested Dads whose kids are left without a father too.

**Percy** · 28th-December-2008

and it doesn't cause a ripple in the pond of public, media or (big)government interest.

And we wonder why?

Just look at the way it is reported.

Is there any sense or coherence in this jumble below?

Most reporters are innumerate (they went through school with the emphasis on 'language' rather than numbers and were taught by women pedominantly) and report in a way that makes no sense at all to the average reader (despite their vastly superior 'communications skills' given to them by those empathetic teachers of creative writing). It is the same mendacious incoherence we get when feminazis thrown numbers around like confetti.

Here are some key points, excerpted from the study's findings, when adjusted for the effects of socioeconomic status:

* Men were nearly 4.8 times as likey to commit suicide as women.

4.8 times what number? 10? 20? 1000? And out of how many men and women?

* African Americans experienced a risk of suicide that was 61 percent lower than that of whites.

Does the reporter know what 61% lower actually means?

Is it that whites do it 61% more than blacks do it that blacks only get to 39% of the white score? And what is the liklihood of either doing it? Why not give the numbers. Doesn't 61% lower mean that the white rate is almost twice the black rate? 2:1. A simple bar graph would clarify.

* In general, the lower the level of education, the higher the risk of suicide.

How about a correlation graph. How much higher is the risk and is it 'significant' ? 99.1 is higher than 99.0. 2 is higher than 1. Saying 'higher' is virtually meaningless. Especially with education. Do the suicides go up as the years in a substandard school with all-women teachers go down, in a straight line, or is is just a gentle slope mediated by the occasional male teacher with a Certificate in metalwork? Is it comparing slum school education and a year 9 certificate of modest attendance with Ivy League colleges and PhDs in International Finance? Would a correlation with eating MacDonals Big Macs vs regular attendance at Nigella's house show a difference. How about a correlation with selling Smack on street corners or the numbers of drug pushers in the school corridors.

* As for income, only those in households with incomes between $5,000 and $9,999 (inclusive) had a significant suicide risk.

So, suicide is 'insignificant' when earning more than $10k? With or without divorce? What does that say about all the other figures quoted? What is the significance of the significance when you talk about a human life?

* Residents of Western states had much higher risks of suicide.

Is that 'much higher' 'risk' significant? Or is it just for those under $10k earnings?

* Persons 55 to 64 years old were 41 percent more likely to kill themselves than youths (15 to 24).

Persons or men? 'More likely'? Is this mixing male and female figures? What is the 'liklihood' ie the Probability generally?

* Those 65 years or older had a suicide risk that was 61 percent higher than the risk exhibited by individuals 15 to 24 years of age.

Give the numbers. 61% higher, again. That means 2/3 higher doesn't it. Or does it? So, if 10 youngsters suicide, 16 old folk do. Not many is it ? Does 1000 and 1600 look more 'significant'? How about if it was your son or grandad?

Most statisticians will give a 'Rate' against population; that is a number per 100,000. It is far easier that way to see difference and extent of problem. Simply using percentages leads to mendacity.

Every year 24,000 men commit suicide. Every 22 minutes one male commits suicide. Based on the fact that a divorced male is 2.5 to 3 times more likely to commit suicide than the average male, the estimate for divorced men, most likely fathers since there is tremendously more trauma placed on them, committing suicide every year would be 15,000 to 18,000 men.

Now that is much easier to grasp.

**Kim** · 28th-December-2008

A man in my community killed himself last month. He was a great man; a man I knew. He had owned a local restaurant and had always been willing to donate to charities, sponsor kid's sports teams and school events. His business recently failed and he and his family were facing being evicted from the house they were renting. He wasn't going through divorce, but financial ruin, and he somehow actually believed that his two boys and family would be better off without him.

I'm heartbroken and I'm angry. I'm angry that he didn't realize how much of an impact he'd had on the lives of others. I'm angry that he didn't understand just how much worse off everyone's lives would be without him here. Most of all, I'm angry at a society that places so little importance on the lives of men and does nothing to counter this epidemic of suicide among men.

My son goes to school with his boys. He says they just look lost....I'm sure they are. I know what it's like to lose someone through a senseless and tragic death. I know that no matter how hard you pray, nobody comes down to save you when it hurts to breath and the world continues to turn and there are people who are actually laughing and happy when your entire world has crumbled around you. I cry for those boys and I cry for their father......a great man, who didn't know just how necessary he was.

**Feckless** · 28th-December-2008

Good one Tyrael. This fits as well:

Divorce Main Reason for Suicide?

**dadaz** · 3rd-March-2011

It's a no brainer.

Bloke has a Wife kids a home a job and self esteem while he is in clover.

As soon as the relationship ends (For whatever reason) he's relegated to nothing more than a Man the kids once knew who signs cheques....then some more cheques while his life slowly bleeds away.

If he dares to lose his job he'll become a deadbeat even though he fought through court to see his children the Mother wont allow it, quoting any ridiculous reason as an excuse. Her friends will pile around offering words of support advising her how she should get every penny off him she can.

By now the poor sap is living in a one roomed apartment surviving off goverment handouts, depressed because he hasn't seen his children in years and has been stigmatised by a society that treats absent fathers (Alienated Fathers more like) as though they are pondlife.

All this time the Mother has moved on because she can financially afford too, on the outside she looks like the strong one, but what if the tables were reversed and the Mother had to pay a huge % of her wage and then some more while the Father refused her contact of any kind?

The UK CSA has been informed countless times by courts that the reasons some men kill themselves is because they haven't seen their kids and that the garnishment of their wages is so severe they can't actually afford to live.

All the CSA say is that "They cannot quote on individual cases" because they are NOT accountable to the public in any way shape or form.

So in anutshell. The reasons why Men commit suicide after a divorce/seperation is because in some cases there is no other option available to them.

I hate the system.

**rohara** · 3rd-March-2011

Quote from dadaz

I hate the system.

The system hates YOU!!!!! The difference is that the system has a whole lot more power over you than you over it.

**dadaz** · 4th-March-2011

I haven't exactly beat the system that directly affects me although I've eased it considerably over the years.

Highlighting the systems flaws and the inequality is a legacy to leave to our children, it's a slow progressive chipping away at lies to expose the truth.

**Richard** · 31st-March-2011

Maybe I should not say this, but if the guys who commit suicide took a few of the "guilty people" with them, I bet you the divorce laws would change tomorrow.

Its not a pleasant thing to say, but life and death are facts of life. If my country can put a berry on my head and a gun in my hand and command me (on pain of execustion) that unless I go to war with someone I have never met (ie a state of war between states), that state better be preared to understand that I am prepared to do a hell of a lot more to defend my offspring.

I had a very dirty divorce case (which lasted over 5 years!), fortuantely I had a judge who could see through the bullshit, maybe she saw I was "the business", so I had something resembling justice, otherwise there would have been one almighty mess!

**Feckless** · 31st-March-2011

Quote from Richard

Maybe I should not say this, but if the guys who commit suicide took a few of the "guilty people" with them, I bet you the divorce laws would change tomorrow.

You are right, you shouldn't say this, and btw this is happening and I wouldn't say it is that rare. From wiki

In a research specifically related to murder–suicide, Milton Rosenbaum (1990) discovered the murder–suicide perpetrators to be vastly different from perpetrators of homicide alone. Whereas murderer–suicides were found to be highly depressed and overwhelmingly men, other murderers were not generally depressed and more likely to include women in their ranks.[2] In the U.S. the overwhelming number of cases are male-on-female and involve guns.[3] Around one-third of partner homicides end in the suicide of the perpetrator. From national and international data and interviews with family members of murder–suicide perpetrators, the following are the key predictors of murder–suicide: access to a gun, a history of substance abuse, the male partner some years older than the female partner, a break-up or pending break-up, a history of battering, and suicidal ideation by the perpetrator.

Though there's no national tracking system for murder–suicides in the United States, medical studies into the phenomenon estimate between 1,000 to 1,500 deaths per year in the US [4], with the majority occurring between spouses or intimate partners, males were the vast majority of the perpetrators, and over 90% of murder suicides involved a firearm. Depression, marital or/and financial problems, and other problems are generally motivators.

joe america · 7th-January-2012

I think those numbers are low, I know a guy drunk himself to death, he wasn't a drinker. It was not listed as a suicide but everyone knows it more or less was.

aka · 25th-April-2012

Quote from rohara

The system hates YOU!!!!! The difference is that the system has a whole lot more power over you than you over it.

The system doesnt hate you.I just think divorce sucks in general. All fathers who are divorced dont kill themselves but all kids of divorce have a difficult life with no one home and are often put in the middle. How would any of us feel being without one home and having to live equally in two places like we can be halved. The system should protect kids first. As for mothers and fathers being mentally a wreck after divorce, fathers worse, the focus should be on counseling for all and encouragement to get along for the sake of the kids. Maybe the courts should make everyone go to counseling.. The focus should be on the kids .

Unregistered · 4th-May-2012

Since my divorce my life has been in a downward spiral... I am forced by the court to pay close to 25k year in support for 2 kids, I have less income and ex has since remarried and is in better financial position than I am now. All courts care about is using the dad as a check book.. period.... I am almost 50... been married once and see myself being alone for the rest of my life.

it is not a matter of if I am going to end my life its when... I almost did it the other night... The two voices I have decided upon is Carbon Monoxide or my .45..... my kids would receive my SS money...My ex has kept my kids from me and I do not have the money for a blood sucking lawyer to try to get fair time...

Good luck to all us fathers that get screwed in the divorce.. we lose our kids we lose our $$