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Lesbian Asks Court to Ban Gay Adoptions

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Last Edited: Sunday, 25 Mar 2007, 8:15 PM EDT
Created: Sunday, 25 Mar 2007, 8:15 PM EDT

By GREG BLUESTEIN
Associated Press Writer

ATLANTA -- Sara Wheeler's life has become a contradiction. Once a proud lesbian, she's now a pariah in the gay community. Once in a committed relationship with a female partner, she's rethinking her sexuality.

And now she's doing something she once would have considered unthinkable -- arguing that gays don't have the legal right to adopt children.

Wheeler is coming to grips with the fact that she's become an outcast for taking this step in a custody fight for her child. But she says that isn't what her fight is about: "It's about motherly rights."

Wheeler, 36, and her partner, Missy, decided to start a family together and share the Wheeler last name. In 2000, Sara Wheeler gave birth to a son, Gavin, through artificial insemination. Two years later, they decided Missy Wheeler should adopt the child and legally become his second parent.

Georgia law doesn't specifically say whether gay parents can adopt a child, so the decision was up to a judge in the Atlanta area's DeKalb County. After an adoption investigator determined that both partners wanted it, the judge cleared the request.

The couple's relationship later soured. Missy Wheeler wouldn't comment for this story, but her attorney, Nora Bushfield, said Sara became involved with someone else and wouldn't let Missy and Gavin see each other.

Sara Wheeler acknowledged the other relationship, saying "regardless of my action, it doesn't make me a bad mother."

Sara and Missy Wheeler had split by July 2004, and Missy was fighting for joint custody of the boy.

The two sides do agree about one thing: The case is about a mother's rights.

"Everybody seems to forget we're not talking about lesbian rights," Missy Wheeler's attorney says. "We're talking about a child who's been bonded with a mother."

Sara Wheeler made the legal argument that, since nothing in Georgia law specifically allowed gay adoption, the adoption should be tossed out.

Her first lawyers warned her the case could set gay rights back a century.

She hired a new attorney and asked the DeKalb County court to toss the adoption that she had previously pushed for, claiming it should never have been approved because it runs afoul of state law.

News of the tactic whipped up Atlanta's gay community, one of the largest in the South. Lambda Legal, a gay rights group, made a legal filing with the Georgia Supreme Court supporting Missy Wheeler. "There's something about this case that's just tragic," said Greg Nevins, a lawyer for the group.

Laura Douglas-Brown, editor of Southern Voice, the city's main gay newspaper, penned a column accusing Sara Wheeler of "self-hating."

"We owe it to each other not to lash out in ways that damage the entire gay community," she wrote. "Your own family may be destroyed, but don't destroy ours, too."

Sara said she felt like she had no choice.

"I'm not doing anything else a mother wouldn't do to fight for her son," she said. "Some people may think it's the unthinkable, but if they were put in my shoes, they'd do the same thing."

It didn't go so well. Her lawsuit seeking to throw out the adoption was rejected by the DeKalb County judge and then the state Court of Appeals.

Then the Georgia Supreme Court, in a 4-3 vote in February, declined to hear the case. Only months earlier the court had upheld the state's constitutional ban on gay marriage, which Georgia voters overwhelmingly approved in 2004.

Justice George H. Carley, who voted with the minority in the gay adoption case, declared he was "at a loss to comprehend" why the court refused to consider a case of such "great concern, gravity and public importance."

Sara Wheeler is asking the state Supreme Court to reconsider her case. Such a request rarely succeeds, but the narrow vote gives her hope that one justice might be swayed.

"There's nothing that states this is an acceptable adoption," she said. "If Georgia wants to allow it, it needs to make proper laws."

As the legal motions flew back and forth, the two women established a workable routine. The 7-year-old boy goes to Missy Wheeler's place every other weekend and on Tuesday nights. The rest of the time Sara Wheeler ferries him to karate practice, plays tag with him outside her apartment and takes him out for pizza every Friday.

The case has taken a toll on Sara.

Aside from a few gay friends, she has turned away from the gay community. She no longer dates, and doesn't go to gay clubs or events any more. She said she is rethinking whether she is still a lesbian or whether she should abandon dating for good.

"I just don't feel comfortable in that scene," she says. "I'm just trying to figure it all out."

She knows she's seen as a betrayer; but in a sense, she feels she was the one betrayed.

"Before I'm anything -- gay or lesbian -- I'm a mother," she says. "And the most important thing is to make sure my son has a relationship with his biological mother."
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"We owe it to each other not to lash out in ways that damage the entire gay community," she wrote. "Your own family may be destroyed, but don't destroy ours, too."
It's a pity feminists don't comprehend this very logic. Just because their life is a misery and they hate men, why do they have to ruin it for the average woman who does love a man?








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That's what they do. They are not happy unless they have drama in their lives. Misery loves company and femms are the most miserable people there are.:slap:


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They are not happy unless they have drama in their lives. Misery loves company...
Sounds like you're talking about my former mother outlaw. Life was a constant drama for her, and if there wasn't anything for her to whine about - she'd resort to lies & malice in order to ensure there was something to whine about.








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Thanks to Tyrael for the link.
How much more bizarre can it get? Do we really want to discuss whether gay marriage is a good thing?

The comments of Marx and chevalier lead towards the light - i.e. drama, so here's another little candle to add to the radiance.
Drama is something that men avoid unless there's a war going on. Drama among men leads to swords at dawn, an invitation to 'step outside' or some other trial by blood. Whatever the scenario somebody gets seriously hurt and even the winner suffers repercussions.

Drama equates to misery? Maybe for men but not for women.
For most women, drama is a part of daily life. Even in the simplest societies, they create mini-dramas between themselves. If they can get gullible men to escalate the drama on their behalf they're delerious with pleasure.

Drama is entertainment for those who just watch. The drunk who says, "Are you looking at me???" wants to provoke a drama because the alcohol has temporarily deprived him of responsibilty and he forgets about the consequences until the next day.

However, his sober female counterpart is scarcely accountable and can construct dramas with impunity. A wilfull wife can 'freeze out' her husband, just for 'fun' (maybe he left the toilet seat up). A menopausal college professor can throw a tantrum if a male colleague says something she disagrees with.

The ace of spades in this corrupt game is a false accusation of domestic violence or rape. Play that card and see how they run! What exquisite drama follows for those who are addicted to it!

Has anybody here met a woman who doesn't love drama, with all their soul and all their might?



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What a seriously evil woman. I don't want to debate here whether gays should be allowed to marry or adopt children. That isn't the point, but the point is that she is a traitor not because she had a change of heart about her sexual orientation and politics, but out of spite to her former partner. It is her motive that is evil. She allowed her child to be adopted in her gay relationship, that was done. Then the relationship goes sour and for that reason and that reason alone, she wants gay adoption banned in order to revoke her former partner's parental rights. She is willing to sell out the entire gay community for her own purposes.


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Re: Lesbian Asks Court to Ban Gay Adoptions

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Drama equates to misery? Maybe for men but not for women.
For most women, drama is a part of daily life. Even in the simplest societies, they create mini-dramas between themselves. If they can get gullible men to escalate the drama on their behalf they're delerious with pleasure.

Has anybody here met a woman who doesn't love drama, with all their soul and all their might?
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For most women, drama is a part of daily life. Even in the simplest societies, they create mini-dramas between themselves. If they can get gullible men to escalate the drama on their behalf they're delerious with pleasure.

Drama is entertainment for those who just watch. The drunk who says, "Are you looking at me???" wants to provoke a drama because the alcohol has temporarily deprived him of responsibilty and he forgets about the consequences until the next day.

However, his sober female counterpart is scarcely accountable and can construct dramas with impunity. A wilfull wife can 'freeze out' her husband, just for 'fun' (maybe he left the toilet seat up). A menopausal college professor can throw a tantrum if a male colleague says something she disagrees with.

The ace of spades in this corrupt game is a false accusation of domestic violence or rape. Play that card and see how they run! What exquisite drama follows for those who are addicted to it!

Has anybody here met a woman who doesn't love drama, with all their soul and all their might?
I believe I have met a few, but they are usually the ones who end up getting dragged into it whether they like it or not..

Mind you, I have met a few pretty distasteful blokes who appear to be keen on creating drama's..

Such men are of course dangerous..


 
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