Here is the
offending thread.
"Dr Evil," the owner of Stand Your Ground, made some arguments I disagreed with about a crass "joke" about feminists. The thread, if it remains unaltered, should give you an understanding of what happened. I disagreed with him because I found his arguments to be illogical. When I called him on it, he decided to become hostile as you will see.
This is the "joke" that started it all:
How many feminists does it take to put in a light bulb? A: Two. One to put in the lightbulb and one to suck my cock.
Here was my first answer to Dr Evil:
Dr Evil wrote:
I didn't laugh when I saw it. I think it is tastless and also lacking in any semblance of humor.
True.
Dr Evil wrote:
Maybe women don't laugh at it because it is hateful towards them. Duh.
How does a joke about feminists screwing in a lightbulb become hatred towards women? Not all feminists are even women. Even if they were, all feminists are women, but not all women are feminists. This is a matter of simple set theory. Feminists comprise a subset. Criticism of a subset does not imply criticism of the superset. Your line of reasoning here is not logical; as a matter of fact, it is the same sort of reasoning feminists use when people attack feminism. When they hear someone say, "I oppose feminism," in their mind they hear, "I oppose women." Then they start screaming and carrying on about how much the person must hate women. The problem is not with the anti-feminist, it is with the feminist.
If I were to make a similar joke about blondes, does that mean I hate blondes? Hate is a very strong word that has been cheapened over the years into hardly anything more than a weapon for one's ad hominem and shaming arsenal. His joke does not come anything close to constituting genuine hatred, and I am sure you know it.
Dr Evil wrote:
It's the very sort of thing that gets us put into the misogynist camp by those seeking to cut and paste and prove we are a bunch of cro-magnons.
No, it "proves" nothing of the sort. Surely you realise a feminist, if one was so inclined, could easily register on this board and pretend to be a raving misogynist. This feminist could then copy-and-paste her material and use it as "evidence" of SYG's "misogyny." She would be full of it, but that would be enough to convince the prejudiced sisterhood. The fact of the matter is these people do not have an open mind; they are just looking for excuses (ones which they can create as aforementioned) to think the way they do or to slander the posters here.
Feminists and their sympathisers see what they want to see and they hear what they want to hear. Real evidence not required.
Instead of considering what I had to say, Dr Evil proceeds to give me an insulting "thin ice" lecture:
This "joke" carried the message that this woman was there to service his sexual needs and had no other purpose. This is the sort of message that we might expect from a truly abusive male. He orders her around and demands his sexual needs be met. When I see someone with that sort of attitude I hope that I will help stop that sort of behavior. Whether it is acted out upon men or women it does't matter. It demeans and a hundred other things that are highly disrespectful. When I see that sort of thing on my board I will call their shit. Don't like it? Go some place else.
It is interesting that the two who have a hard time understanding this are two who have caused me a good deal of trouble in the past. I won't have one shred of patience for either of you from this point forward. You best be on your best behavior. I am very busy with things other than this board. Use caution.
It is almost as if he did not read my post. Here is my final counterargument:
Dr Evil wrote:
This "joke" carried the message that this woman was there to service his sexual needs and had no other purpose. This is the sort of message that we might expect from a truly abusive male. He orders her around and demands his sexual needs be met. When I see someone with that sort of attitude I hope that I will help stop that sort of behavior. Whether it is acted out upon men or women it does't matter. It demeans and a hundred other things that are highly disrespectful. When I see that sort of thing on my board I will call their shit.
You read all of that from this:
Quote:
How many feminists does it take to put in a light bulb? A: Two. One to put in the lightbulb and one to suck my cock.
An amazing leap there, Evil! A leap, I might add, I would expect from a feminist, not an anti-feminist. I thought you were the latter, but apparently I was gravely mistaken.
I already agreed with you the "joke" is crass and unfunny, but I am not going to agree with you on this preposterous argument of yours-a house of cards you have erected upon a foundation of shifting sand.
Dr Evil wrote:
It is interesting that the two who have a hard time understanding this are two who have caused me a good deal of trouble in the past.
Nice way of attacking the messenger instead of the message, Evil; this does a world of good for your cause. "Good deal of trouble," my foot. Have anything more than a vague reference? Are we to take your word for it?
The one who is having a hard time understanding is you. You are angry because I exposed just how irrational your arguments are. You presented no rebuttal, only more of the same unfounded rubbish.
Dr Evil wrote:
I won't have one shred of patience for either of you from this point forward. You best be on your best behavior. I am very busy with things other than this board. Use caution.
Apparently you must be too "busy with things" to consider this matter objectively. Your condescending attitude and threats are insulting.
Dr Evil wrote:
Don't like it? Go some place else.
I intend to. You have an awfully hostile, disagreeable attitude for one who supposedly has the moral highground here. I intend to immortalise our little discussion to my blog, since you are determined to burn bridges with your rhetoric.
I have not one shred of patience for your hostility anymore. Consider me gone.
I refuse to post there ever again. I had been a member there for a while and had contributed 573 posts. There are some excellent contributors there, so I am not happy about leaving. He can run his site as he chooses and I can voice my displeasure as I choose.
UPDATE: Evil has the nerve to demand an apology from me and then lock the thread, presumably to insulate himself from public criticism from other members. Here is his ridiculous demand:
Personally attacking the admin is not your best choice. Have a nice break. I may reactivate your account when you send an email to me taking responsibility for your actions and apologizing.
He apparently has some difficulty comprehending my posts; I made it very clear I was not going to post there again.
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