Davey, I'm very well versed with the EU and pressing matters of British sovereignty.

I've been noisily lauding what a brave and fine patriot Nigel Farage is for all to hear, whenever I can.

The most succinct and telling question posed to the EU hierarchy by him: "who are you?"

I've adopted the same unflinching and uncompromising approach when faced with an overwhelming enemy (feminism as a EU affiliate), to be utterly ruthless and never apologize to that which seeks to destroy me as a white, heterosexual male.

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This MP. is an antagonistic twit!!
Nobody should take him seriously !!!
He is a member of a bigoted party!!
I will not waste my time writing about it!!
But I do enjoy his silly rants, makes me laugh!!!

NEVO

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This MP. is an antagonistic twit!!
Nobody should take him seriously !!!
He is a member of a bigoted party!!
I will not waste my time writing about it!!
But I do enjoy his silly rants, makes me laugh!!!

NEVO

So what should we consider as a credible alternative apart from the usual Eurozone toady politics, whilst the EU continues to shaft Britain up the rear without lubrication or consent?

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So what should we consider as a credible alternative apart from the usual Eurozone toady politics, whilst the EU continues to shaft Britain up the rear without lubrication or consent?

They have signed up the treaties!
I suppose they have to sign off them, as the Prime Minister Cameron stated to Parliament in yesterday's PM question Time.
As I have stated before no union is ever perfect. Nor does marriage with women. You'll have to take the good with the bad, or stay out of it.

NEVO

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They have signed up the treaties!
I suppose they have to sign off them, as the Prime Minister Cameron stated to Parliament in yesterday's PM question Time.
NEVO

Treaties signed off (by a co-opted Queen) without the peoples input via a referendum is not a done deal in my democratic book.

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Treaties signed off (by a co-opted Queen) without the peoples input via a referendum is not a done deal in my democratic book.

The UK. went to war without the consent of parliament by using prerogative powers the government has available.
It is not so difficult then to negotiate them off the european parliament, considering the Prime Minister has deployed military force without regard of the political consecuences in Europe.

Really!! your point is nothing but a minor hitch looking at the whole picture.

NEVO

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The UK. went to war without the consent of parliament by using prerogative powers the government has available.
It is not so difficult then to negotiate them off the european parliament, considering the Prime Minister has deployed military force without regard of the political consecuences in Europe.

NEVO

Your post makes my point that the UK government engaged in unconstitutional acts. Your mentality then follows whatever builds upon a wrong must be right by virtue of sheer force?

Really!! your point is nothing but a minor hitch looking at the whole picture.

My point is actually the crux in the bigger picture. The irony being, you won't see that, or choose to ignore it.

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Your post makes my point that the UK government engaged in unconstitutional acts. Your mentality then follows whatever builds upon a wrong must be right by virtue of sheer force?



My point is actually the crux in the bigger picture. The irony being, you won't see that, or choose to ignore it.

It may be the crux from your radical standpoint. The fact is succesive UK. governments, have signed all treaties without referendum, since the country decided to join the treaty of Rome. All signatories of European treaties had to ratify it with their respective parliament. Hence, the "no need to" of any referendum, as parliament is representative of the people.
Unfortunately, there are some people who enjoy stirring up the referendum cauldrom unnecesarily.

NEVO

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It may be the crux from your radical standpoint. The fact is succesive UK. governments, have signed all treaties without referendum, since the country decided to join the treaty of Rome. All signatories of European treaties had to ratify it with their respective parliament.

Wow, hold on there. If you know your constitutional law, parliament is the people, and unless they've democratically voted otherwise, the treaty is as tenuous as your politics.

Hence, the "no need to" of any referendum, as parliament is representative of the people.

If parliament is representative of the people it naturally follows they get to vote on decisions (referendum) unless your a dictatorship? Any genuine democracy first makes the populace aware of all the facts and then engages them in a controlled referendum.

Your idea of 'representation' is more akin to dictatorship.

Unfortunately, there are some people who enjoy stirring up the referendum cauldrom unnecesarily.

Tired language very reminiscent of 1970s state agitprop. Tell us why it's unnecessary exactly.! Explain to everybody why every man and woman shouldn't have a say in what governments do in their name?

The everyday people are about done with being left out of the global equation, and it's about time they impress themselves forcefully in proportion to their numbers and collective will.

What you want you can not have. Is as simple as that!!!!!
The system of government in the UK. has a set format and is unlikely to change however much people dislike it. On the matter of referendum, is quite clear how Prime ministers throughout decades, hated it. Even joining the European community was a close call. A referendum on bailing out of the union is out of question, until it makes perfect sense to do so.

I would like to have a referendum on whether the family law 1996 Act should be repealed. I can not hear any calls for doing so. Yet this law is causing far more damage to this country than any treaties signed with the European Union. The F.L. 1996 Act is destroing the Uk from within and, causing the new generation to become feral children by destroying the family pillars.
If you want to concern yourself with something, then read the obnoxious law.

NEVO

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What you want you can not have. Is as simple as that!!!!!

So says the surrendered demographic. You can have anything with the correct determination.

The system of government in the UK. has a set format and is unlikely to change however much people dislike it.

The arrogant language of the titled few before a new cultural swagger dominated proceedings.

On the matter of referendum, is quite clear how Prime ministers throughout decades, hated it. Even joining the European community was a close call.

Margaret Thatcher as intelligent as she was, remarked how signing up to what she thought was a trade bloc, was actually the beginnings of Britain ceding sovereignty via a disguised political bloc (the EEC then, now EU ), remarked how she was physically sick when realizing the enormity of what she committed the British population to.

The Queens constitutional tutor from aged 11-22 was a Fabian Marxist, which says it all really. The Queen was taught to be the worst traitor of all (some say co-opted) by signing successive treaties which diluted the sovereignty of this fair isle every time a new treaty was signed.

A referendum on bailing out of the union is out of question, until it makes perfect sense to do so.

I see, so a referendum is only applicable when it benefits the state?

I would like to have a referendum on whether the family law 1996 Act should be repealed. I can not hear any calls for doing so. Yet this law is causing far more damage to this country than any treaties signed with the European Union. The F.L. 1996 Act is destroing the Uk from within and, causing the new generation to become feral children by destroying the family pillars.
If you want to concern yourself with something, then read the obnoxious law.

Nevo, the law you quoted hails ironically from the European bastion you've been strangely defending all this time.

I don't understand why you're fighting me here buddy, because securing a referendum sets a legal precedent for everybody, including what you've highlighted.

Having a referendum is about average folk securing rights beyond Europe, including the family law 1996 act you mentioned, in local terms.

I've read and understood the legal fine print of securing a political European referendum and it certainly bolsters the rights of men and fathers greatly.

Securing the rights of men have always been entwined with my pushing a referendum.

Again, I urge people to do their research before committing otherwise.

Once before a people could press their interests solely in military terms, now an informed population is becoming the most powerful of armies.

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Nevo, the law you quoted hails ironically from the European bastion you've been strangely defending all this time.

I don't understand why you're fighting me here buddy, because securing a referendum sets a legal precedent for everybody, including what you've highlighted.

Having a referendum is about average folk securing rights beyond Europe, including the family law 1996 act you mentioned, in local terms.

I've read and understood the legal fine print of securing a political European referendum and it certainly bolsters the rights of men and fathers greatly.

Securing the rights of men have always been entwined with my pushing a referendum.

Again, I urge people to do their research before committing otherwise.

Once before a people could press their interests solely in military terms, now an informed population is becoming the most powerful of armies.

Now this matter has been resolved with a "NO" in the UK. Parliament by a majority of 370+ MPs., the whole thing can now be put to rest for at least the current generation or, until the Union collapses and the government decides to use the rule of "getting out quickly", the minister can get on with making laws that demolish this country from whithin.
It was clear from last night vote in parliament, the voices for quitting the Union are just too few to waste time on it. The Prime Minister is right to say that certain powers may have to be repatriated because they do not make sense to the British thinking and way of life.
It happens in all parliaments. There always will be a bunch of radicalists from the right who recent to be told they are wrong. Many wars have been fought over this difficulty.
Let them bang their heads against the wall until their ideas are no longer coming out of their mouth.

NEVO

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Now this matter has been resolved with a "NO" in the UK. Parliament by a majority of 370+ MPs., the whole thing can now be put to rest for at least the current generation or, until the Union collapses and the government decides to use the rule of "getting out quickly", the minister can get on with making laws that demolish this country from whithin.
It was clear from last night vote in parliament, the voices for quitting the Union are just too few to waste time on it. The Prime Minister is right to say that certain powers may have to be repatriated because they do not make sense to the British thinking and way of life.
It happens in all parliaments. There always will be a bunch of radicalists from the right who recent to be told they are wrong. Many wars have been fought over this difficulty.
Let them bang their heads against the wall until their ideas are no longer coming out of their mouth.

NEVO

I watched about 5 hours of the parliamentary debate. It's obvious the "No" decision was influenced greatly by strong-arm tactics by political whips and emboldening party loyalty through fear of job security - which is seemingly greater than patriotism for a number of clueless and spineless MPs. Many got into an unnecessary fluster that an EU referendum was somehow imminent, when in reality the discussion only begins a process which would take a number of years to come to fruition. Tommorow couldn't be soon enough to purge this blessed soil from the european scourge which blights our good citizens.