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Hey everyone.

Hi!

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I just found this site & hope for some good exchanges.

It's quite possible..

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I hope it's not about hating women cause I don't.

Why would you think that? The title clearly states "against hatred of men" (anti misandry). Could it be that feminist brainwashing has led you to assume that standing up for men = hating women?

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But I grew up in a time of feminist brainwashing

Ahhh, see above.

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& the whole discussion about gender is dominated by this narrow agenda that IMO does not represent the best interests of women, men or children.

Totally agree. It only serves the best interests of feminists and certain women.

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I live in a "conservative" part of the US lately after a lot of time in more liberal places & the dominance of women here is like nothing I've ever seen.

You should try MI, USA...

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Instead of eschewing and abandoning marriage like classic feminists, here they OWN the institution. Men earn money, ride Harleys for their women's amusement, and damn well obey.

So they know their place.

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I am a very active father and the girly-girls around here sport massive diamond rings and look at me in parental settings like some kind of alien intruder creep.

This is called gate-keeping, it's how feminists operate. Women also use this often.

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And I thought liberals were misguided on gender roles! Now I'm more confused than ever, but I want equal status in society which men do not currently have AND I want my daughter and stepdaughters to excel on merit and not feminist affirmative action. (To be fair, the young girls around here are much more traditional, less judgmental, and openly affectionate toward boys & men and this gives me hope. It's the 30something supermoms I find intolerable, the way they treat husbands, sons and male coworkers.)

Yes..

We all want women and men to get their job based on merit, not feminist initiatives... sadly, the western world currently has it's testicles in a vice-like grip from feminist organizations.

Hey everyone. I just found this site & hope for some good exchanges. I hope it's not about hating women cause I don't. But I grew up in a time of feminist brainwashing & the whole discussion about gender is dominated by this narrow agenda that IMO does not represent the best interests of women, men or children.

I doubt very much there is anyone here that "hates" women as you would seem to expect.

Standing up for men does not equal hating women.

Yep feminist brainwashing has taken hold of you.

But I grew up in a time of feminist brainwashing & the whole discussion about gender is dominated by this narrow agenda

If you knew you were being brainwashed,why did you fall for it?

White knight?

Or did you just wake up to reality?


Marx seems to have summed things up quite nicely.

I disagree with the title of this thead. In my opinion no dad wants equality more than a dad with sons.

The system is not set up against women it is set up against men and boys.

Heck just look at the recent contraceptive debates for proof. Liberals think that if you don't give women free birth control you are oppressing them.

They don't care about men's reproductive rights this has been totally framed as per usual from the females perspective.

If you are scared about equality for your daughter than imagine what it is like for a father with sons.

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. . . .the dominance of women here is like nothing I've ever seen. Instead of eschewing and abandoning marriage like classic feminists, here they OWN the institution. Men earn money, ride Harleys for their women's amusement, and damn well obey.

Hey dino and Welcome Aboard! I too am a "damn yankee" living in the "conservative South" and, along with a son, have a 14 year old daughter. Being recently divorced and still struggling for custody in a "presumptive mother state" I'll reserve comment on your observations about what amounts to church based "male-chauvinist attitudes in general" as ultimately they're just as bad as the "liberal radfems" when it comes down to holding "which gender?" FULLY ACCOUNTABLE.

In my experience, humble opinion, SAME EXACT "anti-male" SHIT just different set of motivations. YES the shotgun toting girls seem much happier here 'cause they've got a fuller set of chivalist, firmly married mangina's 100% enslaved & supporting 'em !

It's the 30something supermoms I find intolerable, the way they treat husbands, sons and male coworkers.)

Yea ! The old joke used to be "get 'em young and train 'em right" but the joke is now on us 'cause THESE WOMEN (and daughters) are in charge domestically, politically, educationally . . . and literally getting away with murder. It's called safety in numbers, our Obamian "democracy" in action !

First off welcome to the forum ...

We here are advocates for mens rights and are anti female in the slightest. We are however skeptical of the feminist idea of gender roles. We don't want to go back to the stone age but we want women to share responsibility for their actions unlike what feminism teaches.

I'm sure you have a wonderful daughter but teaching her to be "empowered" is useless. Empowered women remain victims of feminism. Instead teach her to refuse sexist crap, think for herself, and be a good worker. In the US (or at least where I am from) women can do anything men can. However I find it sad that some jobs lower the standard to include women as if women aren't capable of refining their skill to that level. Read around this site as it is full of good discussion. While you may or may not agree, remember that we are not anti woman (Heck we have female members), we just are against the feminist ideology that makes women perpetual victims of the patriarchy and men the responsible ones to blame, bash, and "destroy". Feminism does not = for women. More boys nowadays have a bigger identity issue than girls due to feminism anyway.

BTW just as a warning many of us are extremely sarcastic :P

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I disagree with the title of this thead. In my opinion no dad wants equality more than a dad with sons.

The system is not set up against women it is set up against men and boys.

Heck just look at the recent contraceptive debates for proof. Liberals think that if you don't give women free birth control you are oppressing them.

They don't care about men's reproductive rights this has been totally framed as per usual from the females perspective.

If you are scared about equality for your daughter than imagine what it is like for a father with sons.

I agree 100%. As a Dad with 2 sons I had a hell of a time de-educating my boys in feminism and reeducating them in the current reality men face in the feminist dominated education system, and in society in general.

As for your daughters, do what you can to prevent the pervasive feminist lies taking root.

Welcome to this forum.

I'm a father with one son and one daughter, so if I think selfishly just for my children, I want equality for my son but I want to keep the privileged status in society for my daughter. Why do you seek equality for your daughters? Is it because you think that is ultimately best for them, or do you have some other motivation for decreasing their status?

Why equality at all? Are male and female not different? Should society not recognise those differences by catering to the needs of each, rather than treating them like homogeneous 'equals' and therefore not even attempting to cater for their natures?

I hope you have some of those good exchanges that you seek.

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Hey everyone. I just found this site & hope for some good exchanges. I hope it's not about hating women cause I don't.

Standing up for mens' rights has nothing to do with hating women or didn't you know that?

Thanks to all for the replies. That was quick.

I'm already noticing something I was hoping not to find but I'm not surprised. Part of my motive for joining this site was to find out what kind of dialog was going on in men's behalf, and toward the cause of equality between genders generally. As I stated, I am more than familiar with the atmospherics and tactics of a feminist-dominated culture from various settings and experiences. One of the most persistent traps set for men in these environments is the game of "what did you mean by that?" From one-on-one relationship rows, to workplace disputes, to legal cases and pretty much everywhere a man has to watch every word, every phrase, even every inflection lest he be jumped on and accused of saying something he didn't mean, the accusation being that he did mean it and just didn't know it because he is so pre-indoctrinated.

Several times here already, in my very first thread, users have done this exact same thing, seizing on phrases and terms and telling me what it was I was saying on their terms. That is classic feminist hijacking of open and constructive dialog, and I am disappointed, though as I said not surprised, to see it happening here.

If I can exert any influence here at all, I would like to begin by calling this what it is, and eschewing it profoundly. Men are not going to maintain or restore any rightful place for themselves by acting just like angry feminists. What I seek is not to get even, as that is all too familiar from all the women and girls who eventually revealed to me that their feminism had some episodic personal source; nor is it to win rounds in a game already rigged against me and my kind by following its rules; and least of all am I seeking to strike or espouse a pose of angry masculism.

I am looking forward to more of this, but this semantic dissection will benefit no one. Let's all relax and give each other the benefit of the doubt, or else no one will feel free to express themselves candidly.

BTW I have a son too but that is a whole other story which, allowed to speak freely here, I will get to.

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Thanks to all for the replies. That was quick.

We aim to please!

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Several times here already, in my very first thread, users have done this exact same thing, seizing on phrases and terms and telling me what it was I was saying on their terms. That is classic feminist hijacking of open and constructive dialog, and I am disappointed, though as I said not surprised, to see it happening here.

I don't see that. What I see is people asking for clarification. We may be a little over-sensitive to certain terms, because we're bored senseless of feminist impostors who have been long before saying similar phrases, such as "I hope it's not about hating women" and similar... Once bitten, twice shy, and all that good stuff.

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Let's all relax and give each other the benefit of the doubt, or else no one will feel free to express themselves candidly.

I like how you suggest we should all get merrily along, right after practically calling us a bunch of angry folk who rely on feminist tactics... Moral high-ground nice up there?

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BTW I have a son too but that is a whole other story which, allowed to speak freely here, I will get to.

We look forward to your input regarding your Son. It's always nice to hear about people's family lives.

One of the things I see coming out of a lot of the writing done here is an urge, a longing, on the part of men, to relearn what it is to be a man, after having so much boyhood and manhood suppressed, admittedly often by our own doing. You mention the moral high ground. If I may be allowed to defend my own visions of manhood in my own terms, there is no place I would rather be, than on the moral high ground. It's safe up there. You can see things coming from a long ways off, and they have to use more energy to be a threat to you than you do to defend yourself.

And I stand my ground on the issue of language. I did not assert that picking away at my meanings was some sort of assault, nor that everyone who wrote back was doing it. And I prefer not to do the block-quote, tear-down thing, because that too reminds me of another standard female setup that I call "exactly what you said". I have already wasted enough hours in my life defending positions as paraphrased back at me that were never my own, and if that is what I have to do to have a decent conversation on a men's website I won't stay long. But one poster quoted a word I never used and others took phrases out of context and told me what I meant by them, or how I should have felt instead. Familiar, and not of much use to my quest.

My God, we've been so indoctrinated to bicker and dissect and distrust that it's just second nature. That's why I'm here, to try something different. So no, I am not an impostor, not a spy, not a troll. And I damn sure am unafraid to get on the moral high ground if I can find it in such low-visibility conditions as these times. I would rather share it with men and women than defend it from either or both. Right now I'm just trying to figure out if that will be possible here. So far the results are mixed.

When trust has been established that is mutual and tolerant here I have many stories to tell. I have been fighting the good fight against feminism for a very long time. (That very much includes the story of my son.) Until yesterday I never even knew there was a word for it, and I am hopeful that something reasoned and adult in the world around me can finally begin to take shape as result of the efforts I and many others have put in to right these wrongs.

And I also will state boldly and unapologetically that much of what I know about fighting for justice for myself and for the male gender came from experiences gained in helping women over a lifetime to have wrongs against them righted. That will not stop just because the very recent discovery that injustice against men is possible, also pisses me off.

I do not seek equality between genders, especially that which ignores our differences instead of honouring them. I seek equality before the Law, for the sexes.

All are born equal. Man, woman, child.

If I, personally, wish to give preferences or privileges that are within my purview, to anyone, man or woman or child, then I will and I do not authorise any Government to do so on my behalf.

the first step to clear thinking is to abandon the agitprop of the subvertor and their double talk as equality, discrimination designed to confound men by appealing to their logic and sense of fair play ( fair play ! wot dat ),

feminitism is a shelltrick a cheap rationalisation to co-opt men to serve wimyn's interests and transfer men's assests to wimyn for nothing

I mean men created the Western world for wimyn and handed it to them for some blandishmests and vacuous promises and incredibly are assisting their own enslavement by wimyn - what earth changing inventions have wimyn ever made !! I am not talking about the Family Court star chamber and wimyn's shelters run by misandrist lesbians ahahahh

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You mention the moral high ground.

It was mentioned with a sarcastic tone.

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And I prefer not to do the block-quote, tear-down thing, because that too reminds me of another standard female setup that I call "exactly what you said". I have already wasted enough hours in my life defending positions as paraphrased back at me that were never my own...

Quoting isn't paraphrasing, quoting is simply a means to highlight which part of a text you're responding to. I'm not sure why you find it's use to be 'bad'.

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... and if that is what I have to do to have a decent conversation on a men's website I won't stay long. But one poster quoted a word I never used and others took phrases out of context and told me what I meant by them, or how I should have felt instead. Familiar, and not of much use to my quest.

Parts of this look like you're almost making demands on how we're allowed to talk with you.

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My God, we've been so indoctrinated to bicker and dissect and distrust that it's just second nature. That's why I'm here, to try something different.

To come with a 'high n' mighty' attitude? Oh I'm sure that'll work for all of us.

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And I damn sure am unafraid to get on the moral high ground...

But you don't have the moral high-ground. I was being sarcastic about your snide remarks followed by telling us we should be getting along...It came across "now I've had my digs, let mine be the last words else I will attempt more shaming tactics bwahahaahahahaha!"

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When trust has been established that is mutual and tolerant here...

That, of course, being a two-way street... If you peruse older threads, you will find we are mostly quite tolerant even of feminists. We're considerably more tolerant of feminists than feminist websites are of MRAs.

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Until yesterday I never even knew there was a word for it,

A word for what?

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And I also will state boldly and unapologetically that much of what I know about fighting for justice for myself and for the male gender came from experiences gained in helping women over a lifetime to have wrongs against them righted. That will not stop just because the very recent discovery that injustice against men is possible, also pisses me off.

That's fine, you'll find a good number of MRAs are men (and women) who grew up in a similar light.