Greetings istoute, enjoy your stay.

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I consider myself an Egalitarianist

We're all for equality, unfortunately, homo sapiens is a hierarchical creature. The tragedy of modern man is that he thinks he gets dumped because he doesn't treat his woman like an equal, but the truth is, he gets dumped because he does. She doesn't want that, but she can never say it, because it's taboo.

Welcome to the enlightened 21th century Western civilization. We laugh at those suckers from the middle ages who burned witches and were afraid of their own desires. How backward they were.

Like I said in my earlier post I was raised by feminist propaganda my entire life. I don't not aggree with you that the sexes are "unequal"; though I respect you for speaking your mind. IMHO, the sexes are raised to conduct themselves differently in social situations and this counts for a lot of the strife between the sexes. However, I ALSO believe that there is some inherent truth in the roles laid out. Nurture is bidirectionally built upon a foundation of biology.

I read in my neuropsychology class recently about an interesting survey done by Gangestad, Simpson, Cousins, Garver-Apgar, & Christensen (2004). These researchers were asked to pic one of two hypothetical males to have a one-night stand with (i.e. short-term relationship). When these women were in the ovulation stage of the menstrual cycle, they were more likely to pick the candidate that seemed "athletic, competitive, assertive, and who did not describe himself has having a nice personality" (Kalat, James W., Biological Psychology, 334). A sharp contrast from what popular culture tells us about women.

The sexes are not "equal" in that they are not identical. It is true that men are more consitent in their appetites for mates than women, but this consitency, imo, does not make men inherently better. More predictable perhaps, simple, but not better. That would be the same as all these feminists who talk as if being complicated is such a plus.

On a side note, how do you guys think the dispositions laid out by our biology effect our outlook on life in an organizational sense? I would love to hear from any female members on this subject as well.

I don't not agree with you that the sexes are "unequal"

The words equal/unequal do not have absolute meanings. They have no meaning all by themselves, they are relative. Men and women are equal to the law. Apart from that, the word "equality" has no meaning. If you say, men and women are "equal" to each other, then you would have to specify in what respect.

The sexes are not "equal" in that they are not identical.

Alright. Then how are they equal exactly? It's like comparing apples with pears.

(...)does not make men inherently better.

Again, the word "better" has no meaning in itself. Better in what respect?

Is a steel axe better then a wooden one? Depends on what you're going to use it for. If you want to cut down a tree, use the steel one. If you need a prop for a play, use the wooden one.

I think we are overrationalizing human relationships. It should be clear to any sane person that men have a dominant role in relationships, whether they deserve this or not. I'm all for moderation and fairness, but to flatly deny the obvious truth is irresponsible and makes it difficult for people to bond and maintain stable relationships. And that's exactly what we see all around us.

I also respect your opinion. But the fact that even people in the men's movement are mostly egalitarian makes me very pessimistic for the future. It's like going back to the times when everybody thought the earth was flat.

There's never been a society where the men were not dominant, according to this scientist, it's inevitable:
http://debunker.com/texts/avoidable.html

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I think we are overrationalizing human relationships. It's should be clear to any sane person that men have a dominant role in relationships, whether they deserve this or not. I'm all for moderation and fairness, but to flatly deny the obvious truth is irresponsible and makes it difficult for people to bond and maintain stable relationships. And that's exactly what we see all around us.

That's well said bola.

Howdy phunket,

Here's the link to the document I tried to upload. http://www.safe4all.org/essays/vtbreak.pdf
It's called Violent touch: Breaking the stereotype by David L. Fontes. He used to work for the DV industry and became disillusioned with all the double standards for men and women. Oh, and it was approximately 277 kbs.

To everyone, thanks for the welcomes.

To Bola, I am a psychology major at Texas State University and I primarily concern myself with the anatomical differences between men and women in the brain and how these differences influence cognitive functions. I thought the content of my post would set the context for my evaluative terms. Furthermore, what do you mean by "dominant" in the relationship? What are your comparisons and standards?

P.S. How can I put quotes from past posts into my curent posts?

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To Bola, I am a psychology major at Texas State University and I primarily concern myself with the anatomical differences between men and women in the brain and how these differences influence cognitive functions. I thought the content of my post would set the context for my evaluative terms. Furthermore, what do you mean by "dominant" in the relationship? What are your comparisons and standards?

I'm not a scientist, I'm just saying that the empress has no clothes on. If you want a more scientific definition I would like to quote the article I linked to:

... three institutions that are found in every society: Patriarchy (males fill the overwhelming number of hierarchical positions), Male Attainment (whatever non-maternal roles are given highest status are male roles), and Male Dominance (both males and females feel that males dominate in male-female relations).