Douglas, thanks for responding,

This is a path that has been tried. It leads to all the different kinds of feminism that people claim to believe in, as they seek to remove themselves from what they discover feminism to really be. It does not work, any more than being 'kind of' aligned with the KKK can work. It can never work: even the most benign form of feminism is about "gaining equality for women" but equality with what? With other women? Or with society? You can not have quality for part of something. You can only have equality with all of something. So you can have equality for people, which includes equality for blacks, males, shorties, oldsters, women, xeno-Christians and all, but you cannot achieve equality in society by only looking to get equality for part of society.

I just need to comment on a difference here... KKK is a hate group of white supremacists/nationalists, they go by a set of rules and a clan. Feminism began with the female liberation movement and had nothing to do with hate at all, until it got hijacked by bitter women, hence why I thought it was possible to hijack it back. I do totally get your point about only supporting one gender would bring inequality (hence why I don't do it) because of the fact that every specific equality group has been hijacked:

• Animal Protection groups turning into radical groups *cough* damn you PETA let me enjoy my steak in peace *cough*
• Masculists beginning to also get taken over by radicals (something I also wanted to fix)
• Anti-Homophobia turning to hetrophobia groups

So I think if only Feminism had started off as "anti-sexism" from the start, things might've been better, it was probably due to the assumption that people believed that men had their full rights already.

And so on (you get the idea), to think that our society would learn from it's mistakes. I don't object to anti-feminism, however, I'm just curious of how I'd promote egalitarianism. Eg: Someone is religious (not to stereotype all religious people) and believes homosexuals should be condemned and a lot of other, but believes equality for on certain groups. Not to say I support people like that, but you know, it would be nice to have something more specific. Egalitarism is fine for me as a person. Though I am thinking other groups have a name for their antis so I think gender equality should as well.

If I'd think of some name to give it, it would be anti-sexism. Since it's not gender specific like anti-misogyny etc. But some radical feminists have shat on that, and synchronized it to men. But I think there is hope.

Welcome Lucia! You seem to be one of those special people that prefers thinking to shopping.

I always thought that the way of balancing out equality in the gender war should be to value the rights of both men and women,

When did it become a war?
People who disagree can generally negotiate, jostle, push and shove to get their grievances heard. If there's a forum for such things the result is usually peaceful, albeit grudging, co-existence. Once war is declared somebody has to win or the war is not over. In a war, the winners and the losers both suffer from a depletion of their resources that could have been put to better use.

Is it a war? Are western men and women killing each other in significant numbers?

Percy:

I would like to think that I have influence in Syria, but recognise that I don't. The Syrian people are engaged in their own issues and we are engaged in matters closer to our home.
I often hear feminists talking of 'women in furrin countries'. I have no problem at all with folk taking an interest but not when it is an excuse for painting ME with a tar-brush.
MY family has been destroyed. By feminist Laws and agitprop.
MY meagre treasury has been sacked by rapacious Feminist Laws.
MY society has been steadily destroyed by grasping, lying feminists who hate men.
I have been cast, along with millions of other men just as ordinary as I am, as being a rapist, abuser, domestically violent thug, engaging in peadophilia at the sight of a child's scrapped knee and unfit to care for my own children by virtue of having no feelings or competence.
I have been asked to die for my country and its women and children however.
It is of little use telling me that feminists do not hate men when the leading feminist 'icons' all sing from the 'all men are rapists' songbook.
I may disagree with the cultural standards of Arabs, Syrian or otherwise, but it is MY culture's standards that have been destroyed by feminism. I doubt very much that Feminism can improve the lot of anyone. They have no history of improvement, only of cultural and personal destruction.

It's not a war - it's a revolution of the downtrodden.

What do you make of the capitalized 'MY' in the post? Is Percy a male chauvinist pig who thinks he owns his women and children? Or is he a noble gentleman that was brought up to believe that he was honor-bound to take responsibility for their well-being??

Feminism never understood the motivation of men because they took it for granted. Feminists assumed that men would always take care of their own, preserve civilization, fight wars and shovel shit because it was in their nature.

How wrong could they be?? Most men would rather play. Sport, hunting, video-games and scientific research are more than enough to keep them happy. These pursuits are a million times more attractive than changing diapers. Casual sex is just a bonus but not really necessary. Feminism, by repudiating men, shot all women in the foot.
Drawing men into chains of mutual dependency requires a lot of effort from women. Western women assumed that they could rubbish men and still expect all the benefits. Big Mistake!

As an afterthought, exporting western feminism to developing countries,at the point of a gun, will have repercussions that Nancy Dowd could not imagine in her wildest dreams.

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Yeah but the radical feminists hate us, from confronting other members of the feminist community with my views they call me "wishy-washy" and "man pleasing". They actually believe that the only way to get women's rights is to be brutal and get it in any way necessary.

What do you mean by confronting?

And is the community you speak of an online forum?

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Western women assumed that they could rubbish men and still expect all the benefits. Big Mistake!

Even the most chivalrous of men are now developing a revulsion to the runaway petulant behaviour and self-absorbed disposition of modern women. Oversell a product and insult it's 'customers' and don't be surprised if the value depreciates accordingly.

Yeah both, in real life, on forums, and even on youtube videos. You have to share their "views" otherwise you're those things they described me as. But I think I feel sorry for them because they are a bit... blind.

Where have all the radicals gone? When feminism gets moderate. | The F Word

They think the only way to get women's rights is to be aggressive otherwise nothing will work. Hence pushing out and even mocking those who don't wish to bring fire to the group, hence why radical feminism is in power now.

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They think the only way to get women's rights is to be aggressive otherwise nothing will work. Hence pushing out and even mocking those who don't wish to bring fire to the group, hence why radical feminism is in power now.

So why is it moderates like you, who constitute the majority of feminists, allow the radicals to dominate so disproportionately?

I have coined a word for feminits based on my 40 years of experience with them aka feminits the nits syllable is a pointer to their lousy narcissistic nature

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They think the only way to get women's rights is to be aggressive otherwise nothing will work.

Women's rights? Show me something genuine regarding that topic and we can discuss beyond the manufactured revisionist hysteria!

There's certainly been a dilapidation of peoples rights, both men and women, who inhabit the lower social sphere. Maybe that's not so newsworthy, because poor men and women are festering in the same shit-hole! Feminism conveniently ignores how the vast majority of folk, both men and women, are subject to the same form of 'archy' whether it's a king or queen. History hasn't discriminated against women, because men have always lent opposition to tyrannies and governments since ancient Greece. If you give women certain powers the state doesn't need to control it's men, but women will 'mindlessly' do so in their place.

Hmm... well, it's kinda like this:

The radicals make propaganda about moderates, and they don't regard them as feminists. They usually get labels like "brainwashed liberals", "pretend feminists" and "weaklings", and are made to look they are too watery because they do not have a hostile and dominating approach. And because many moderate feminists are ashamed of radical feminism, or afraid of being bashed by them or others, they keep quiet about it, hence crippling their voices and letting the radicals spread further.

In summary, radical feminism makes sure moderate feminism stays down because they know that if moderate feminist views were more promoted they would be kicked out of the scene and be named for the bigots they are; they hide (or convince themselves) under the guise of equality when it's just a cover for their prejudice and fear.

When people who are looking to make a change to women's rights see this, they automatically assume that radical feminism is the only way to be a feminist, or that moderate feminists are "only adapting to the patriarchal society's idea of feminism". etc.

While moderate feminists believe the only way to truly achieve equality is tolerance and understanding towards sexes, the radicals will gag at them, tell them they are living in a dreamland, and continue burning bras.

but when moderates say 'womens rights' are they talking about on a global scale , in particularly BROWN cultures?
because in the west , aside from being able to go topless / abortion ect. i really don't see how women
specifically are suffering the loss of rights.
as compared to males , which there is practically a whole separate code of law when it comes to us guys.

Well yeah of course, women's rights apply to everywhere world wide (do keep in mind that I am not an abortion or exhibitionist supporter - those are liberal feminists). Well women still do get a bit of the same treatment here and there (trust me), I can't count on my fingers and toes on how many times I've been told things of stereotypes "women are less intelligent, they just think they are not", "women are only trying to prove themselves by working", "women are are catty, manipulative and untrustworthy", "all women are shallow and obsessed with appearance", and "women are massive spenders who leech off pockets of others - golddiggers", and while some of these are true for some part of many females, it is not nice to occasionally come across a person who harbours that judgement to myself because of my gender, especially if it's parroted in the media and often music (often rap).

I've seen many movies where the woman is all emotional and leads everyone into trouble with her emotions. eg: "Splice", "Deep Blue Sea". Like even you may say, if you leave stuff like that alone, ignorance runs through it and it festers. Hence I still do think they need a rights movement that supports them, wherever it's feminism or anti-sexist, or egalitarianism.

However I certainly don't deny to male stereotype in the media where the guy is portrayed as "The guy who wants to get into your pants and throw you away", or the "Aggressive guy who wants to fight all the time", or the classic "Rapist/murderer/psychopath character". Not to mention you do get treatment of guys like "Kick a perfectly innocent guy who has done nothing to you in the balls and enjoy watching him cringe in pain" and the audience laughs, etc.

Though I must comment that neither of them have to do with feminism but more with the way society is, ignorant people like to categorize everyone and put stereotypes on what they have heard or seen from a few of them them.

I can't even begin to think of other communities that have suffered with the same things. I can come up with a few at the top of my mind.
"Homosexuals spread disease/corrupt/filthy/trend/confused/immoral",
"Black people commit crime/uneducated/poor morals/gangsters",
"White people are racist/controlling/xenophobic/smart/manipulative"
"Mexicans are lazy/illegal immigrants/never know english"
"Teens are stupid, rebellious, unintelligent, ignorant, conformist"
"Germans are all nazis/worship hitler/aggressive"

The list goes on, notice how all forms of prejudice comes from a similar mindset, sometimes what they believe in is false, exaggerated, or misunderstood. Next thing you know, this mindset gets even worse and arrives to conclusions like "They don't deserve jobs", "Avoid them", "They're taking our jobs! (like mcdonalds)", "They are out to rape and kill us!" etc. I'm not sure on how to tackle people with this mindset however, a majority of them are extremely stupid and think that things like race and gender make you more likely to be that stereotype, completely ignoring things like environmental and aggravated factors, nor trying to help out or even try to understand and just form a "them" and "us" mentality which drives communities apart.

I hear you Lucia and I have to smile when reading your words.

You make a good point about radical feminists and their power. Rocking the boat from the inside is the last thing they want but all the more reason to flush them out and expose them.

If you were to discuss something with a moderate feminist and she were to say, "That's not me" maybe tell them who it is and how they relate to the radical and what power the radical has over them them. Maybe find some quotes or do something like I do and book an interview with their PA saying you're a reporter for ...... I report for single parents. Oh, and tape the conversation.

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KKK is a hate group of white supremacists/nationalists, they go by a set of rules and a clan. Feminism began with the female liberation movement and had nothing to do with hate at all, until it got hijacked by bitter women, hence why I thought it was possible to hijack it back.

I don't know how old you are, Lucia, but I was a young lad with an older feminist sister in the 1960s and 70s. I remember the bitter fighting between the Women's Liberation movement and the feminists. Feminism pre-dated the "Women's Libbers" by about a century and did not begin as a "liberation movement" but more as a political platform of grievances, which spread to other countries from the USA (one of their worst exports, IMO).

I realise there are differences between the KKK and feminism. The KKK is an organisation, Feminism is an ideology, but otherwise I don't see much moral difference between one hate group and another.

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I realise there are differences between the KKK and feminism. The KKK is an organisation, Feminism is an ideology, but otherwise I don't see much moral difference between one hate group and another.

There was the WKKK (womens klu klux klan) which was larger in membership and more powerful in political force than the KKK. The WKKK also had vibrant links to Margaret Sanger (a career prominent feminist) who pioneered eugenics and racism decades before (with direct links to the nazi party) under a guise of moral social reform. Many WKKK members went on to become feminists or join the suffragettes.

Yes, there are certainly 'differences' when you engage in research. And it is this which defines AM members beyond those who tremble in fear of new revelations. We seek to break downtrodden barriers which reinforces misandry and sexist/chauvinistic ideas women find routinely comfortable with.

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I live in the UK, laws towards men are pretty fair here, radical feminism has calmed down, women get pretty much the same jail time as men. Jail time is not calculated by gender or circumstance but rather on things like the type of assault, if it was toward a minor, brutality, if they plead guilty etc.

Lucia, please. I know that you have here come from feminist circles but that is no excuse to try peddling lies here. If this statement is in genuine error, then I urge you to consider how much you believe about sex differences to be feminist propaganda before continuing to spout it, here and especially elsewhere.

I'll give you a short list of SOME of the things in the United Kingdom where men's rights make them second-class citizens. I'm not talking here about social misandry like TV commercials, nor about minor complaints like not being able to go swimming at a public pool because there is a women-only session on, though there are no men-only sessions. These are just some of the issues men face in the UK, with just a few links (not necessarily the most pertinent) within this very site. I hope for your son's sake you will do more research and take action to try to bring him into a society that will consider him as important as your daughter.

Women not liable for theft of sperm - only the victim is liable.

Man's consent means nothing in UK courts.

Domestic violence helps women but targets against men and even their children

http://antimisandry.com/priority-new...ory-36314.html
Men's domestic violence shelters in the UK

Health concerns specific to men are virtually ignored

Experts scrap prostate screening proposal

Over 90% of contested child-care is granted 100% to the mother, often regardless of her fitness for the task. Men's rights to see their own non-custodial children are dependant on the mother. Men's responsibilities to pay are enforced by the state whether they are able to have a share in their children's lives or not.

Who Needs Fathers? - For the Sake Of The Kids (Videos)

Not only legal but legally-enforced discrimination against men for the top jobs in business. Men get no such help.

Getting Women Into Boardrooms, by Law
http://antimisandry.com/discriminati...lar-12891.html

Sexual Harassment policies and teachings continue to concentrate on female victims only, despite it being a huge problem for men

UK: Most men are harassed by women at work

Rape is an act that, in the UK, is defined such that a woman is legally incapable of doing it, even though logic and common usage says otherwise. Rape in the UK is also different in that an adult rape accuser has the same anonymity as a child in law, yet the man she accuses does not have anonymity.

Male Defendants to be Granted Anonymity in Rape Cases UK
Another blow to the presumptively innocent accused of rape: the UK's anonymity plan i
False rape accusation daily in the UK

The only government report you will find that states men and women are sentenced equally is one written by two feminists, at the request of a feminist minister. All other reports, including judges and the Statistics Office, show that - on average, for the same type of crime - females are less likely to be tried once accused, less likely to be convicted once tried, less likely to be imprisoned if convicted, will server shorter sentences if imprisoned. Somehow, this is seen as being discrimination against women; women's prisons are getting special facilities and treatment that no men's prison has.

(UK) Govt must stop jailing women, charities say

Although men live shorter than women, men are forced to have an even shorter retirement by having a later retirement age. Changing this is seen as discrimination against women.

Men face 25% gender pension gap
Women Enjoy 7 Years Longer Retirement, UK
Retirement time illustrated by sex
Women will work less to achive full pension rights in the UK.