Just ask yourself: Do you believe women earn 24% less because of discrimination? Do you believe that it is men beating up women and not the other way round? Is it okay that one group of the equals have to join the Bundeswehr while the other one is allowed to if they wish? Why does one group of people receive longer prisonterms and have no right to see their children if there is a conflict between the parents?

Oh and ... Willkommen!

Post a lot!

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hi there,

i recently had a shit in my paradigm towards gender-topics.

well maybe i also had a shit... but i meant a shift *lol* freudian typo...

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Just ask yourself: Do you believe women earn 24% less because of discrimination?

don´t have an oppinion yet...

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Do you believe that it is men beating up women and not the other way round?

well thats certainly the perception of the mass-media. i personally don´t have an oppinion yet because i lack trustworthy data that prooves the opposite. it´s quite hard to believe that women "beat up" men....

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Is it okay that one group of the equals have to join the Bundeswehr while the other one is allowed to if they wish?

thats very unfair, 100% agreement from my side...

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Why does one group of people receive longer prisonterms and have no right to see their children if there is a conflict between the parents?

as i said before... lack of data but show me good numbers...

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Oh and ... Willkommen!
Post a lot!

thanks! will do if i find the time...

Herzlich Wilkommen!

As you approach these issues, try to use your ability to compartmentalize a bit. In other words, take the feminism that you know, and put it in a "feminism" box in your head, and approach these issues with a fresh, empty box. That's not to say to purge your ideas about feminism, but put them in a box for the time being so that you can give the arguments and perspectives you'll see here and in other men's rights sites a more fair airing.

A word about anger. You'll see a lot of anger here from time to time. Most of that comes from men who have been burned, in one way or another, by the feminist system, especially the impact of feminism on family law. At times this anger crosses the line into misogyny, and it's then on the rest of us to point that out -- because one thing that the men's rights movement is *not* about is misogyny. But you will see anger, and some of it is quite justified in light of some of the crazy things that have been happening out there.

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Herzlich Wilkommen!

As you approach these issues, try to use your ability to compartmentalize a bit. In other words, take the feminism that you know, and put it in a "feminism" box in your head, and approach these issues with a fresh, empty box. That's not to say to purge your ideas about feminism, but put them in a box for the time being so that you can give the arguments and perspectives you'll see here and in other men's rights sites a more fair airing.

well thats quite hard because of my socialisation... but i will try to do my best since i feel that keeping mental flexibility is a virtue as long as the ideas are presented in a logical and ethical way...

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Herzlich Wilkommen!
because one thing that the men's rights movement is *not* about is misogyny.

thats what i´ve hoped to hear

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don´t have an oppinion yet...

Well ask the Bundesregierung
http://www.manndat.de/index.php?id=532
(I have more articles about the US but that says it all / No study could actually PROOF that those high rates are because of discrimination

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well thats certainly the perception of the mass-media. i personally don´t have an oppinion yet because i lack trustworthy data that prooves the opposite. it´s quite hard to believe that women "beat up" men....

Well most of the time it looks like this:



Men and women beating each other alike in almost half of violent relationships, while in relationships where only one is the batterer it is more often the woman. This is not the only evidence a big collection:

REFERENCES EXAMINING ASSAULTS BY WOMEN ON THEIR SPOUSES OR MALE PARTNERS:
AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY

Martin S. Fiebert
Department of Psychology
California State University, Long Beach

Last updated: September 2008


SUMMARY: This bibliography examines 246 scholarly investigations: 187 empirical studies and 59 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 237,750.

more here: http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

John dias has more studies up here: http://dvstats.org/

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as i said before... lack of data but show me good numbers...

Well here you go:

Department of Justice figures show that being male increases a murderer's chance of receiving a death sentence by more than 20 times. And the data repeatedly confirms that men receive higher sentences than women for the exact same crime. One study, published in Justice Quarterly in 1986, examined 181,197 felonies in California and found that, for the same crime, being male increased the chance of incarceration by 165 percent. Being black, in comparison, increased the chance of incarceration by 19 percent.
Another study, published in Crime & Delinquency in 1989, examined non-accomplice crimes and factored together the number of charges, convicted offenses, prior felony convictions, as well as the race, age, work history and family situation of the accused and found that "gender differences, favoring women, are more often found than race differences, favoring whites."
In yet another study, published in the International Journal of the Sociology of Law, researchers Mathew Zingraff and Randall Thomson found that being male increases sentence lengths more than any other discriminatory variable.
The bias applies to victims as well as the accused. When Edward Glaeser of Harvard University and Bruce Sacerdote of Dartmouth College examined 2,800 homicide cases randomly drawn from 33 urban counties by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, they found that killing a female instead of a male increased sentences by 40.6 percent. Killing a white instead of a black, in comparison, increased sentences by 26.8 percent.
Even when the exact same type of crime is accounted for, the disparities still persist. For example, a drunk driver who kills a black male receives an average sentence of two years. A drunk driver who kills a white male, four years. A drunk driver who kills a white female, six years.


[...]


Needless to say, when a father commits a crime, the courts have no trouble calling him an unfit parent and removing him from his kids.


In the case of spouse murder:

Wife defendants had a lower conviction rate than husband defendants--

* Of the 222 wife defendants, 70% were convicted of killing their mate.
By contrast, of the 318 husband defendants, 87% were convicted of
spouse murder.

* Of the 100 wife defendants tried by either a judge or jury, 31% were
acquitted. But of the 138 husband defendants tried, 6% were acquitted.

* Of the 59 wife defendants tried by a jury, 27% were acquitted. But of
the estimated 91 husband defendants tried by a jury, none was acquitted.

Convicted wife defendants sentenced
less severely

An estimated 156 wives and 275 husbands were convicted of killing their
spouse. Convicted wives were less likely than convicted husbands to be
sentenced to prison, and convicted wives received shorter prison sentences
than their male counterparts--

* 81% of convicted wives but 94% of convicted husbands received a
prison sentence.

* On average, convicted wives received prison sentences that were about
10 years shorter than what husbands received. Excluding life or death
sentences, the average prison sentence for killing a spouse was 6 years for
wives but 16.5 years for husbands.

* Among wives sentenced to prison, 15% received a sentence of 20 years
or more (including life imprisonment and the death penalty); among
husbands, it was 43%.

http://antimisandry.com/discriminati...ime-14308.html

danke für die mühe! ich hab grad keine zeit das durchzuarbeiten, werds aber sicher bald machen und mein reply dazu posten (jobdeadline kommt grad bedrohlich nahe)

liebe grüße
max

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Dejavû

In the study above, what is not told is as telling as what is. From the graph, it looks as though women are more often the aggressors in intimate partner violence, which may be true depending on how one defines "violence." Women, most often, use emotional and psychological tactics/battering.

What is a fact that the graph does not illustrate is that women die far more often at the hands of men than the other way around. And, women are more often the victims of sexual violence, as well.

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In the study above, what is not told is as telling as what is. From the graph, it looks as though women are more often the aggressors in intimate partner violence, which may be true depending on how one defines "violence." Women, most often, use emotional and psychological tactics/battering.

Nah, it wasn't a feministic study, so it won't be using such ridiculous measures as emotional and psychological tactics/battering.

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What is a fact that the graph does not illustrate is that women die far more often at the hands of men than the other way around. And, women are more often the victims of sexual violence, as well.

If it's violence at all, it's going to be included in the results. Have you been enjoying your PMs with Max?

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i come from a very feministic background since i grew up with a single feminist mom. so i know my feminism and i wont easily give up all of my views because i still believe that feminism roots in the female struggle for equality.

What equality do you believe western women haven't achieved (that's real, not imagined or unproven)?

Radical feminists who hold many political and influential positions admit (quite openly and arrogantly) their ideology was never about equality, but complete dominance over men.

Long since has female equality transcended into female privilege.

Welcome.

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And, women are more often the victims of sexual violence, as well.

It depends on how you define 'sexual violence.'

If you counted all the groin strikes women inact on men (yes, it's sexual violence), and sexual mutilation of men (including attempts), you'll probably find women aren't "more often" victims of sexual violence at all.

Yet how many such cases are deemed sexual violence after everybody has stopped laughing?

The term 'sexual violence' has also been conveniently adopted by the NSPCC whenever it speaks about protecting children (almost exclusively so). Because to speak about physical violence against children (numerically a far greater problem) means confronting the uncomfortable truth that mothers commit the greatest abuse. Can't have that can we? Protecting children? What a joke!

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Nah, it wasn't a feministic study, so it won't be using such ridiculous measures as emotional and psychological tactics/battering.



If it's violence at all, it's going to be included in the results. Have you been enjoying your PMs with Max?

Well maybe the study should include some "ridiculous measures" such as intimate partner homicides. Or isn't killing your partner also a form of violence?

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What equality do you believe western women haven't achieved (that's real, not imagined or unproven)?

Radical feminists who hold many political and influential positions admit (quite openly and arrogantly) their ideology was never about equality, but complete dominance over men.

Long since has female equality transcended into female privilege.

Welcome.

hi! we´ll see i will try to form my opinion based on the facts you are presenting...