Welcome aboard our merry ship

Hi Krystina,
good to see a women's right advocate interested in understanding a bit of our group.
As you may have realized, here you will not find adepts of an ideology, such as it is the case for feminism.
We are a bunch of individuals with different experiences, gathered here (and there) to expose the spreading misandry on the basis of facts, for the sake of future generations of boys and girls.

It is important that you catch it, because otherwise you will not have the right perspective on what we deal with.
It is not just a matter of addressing specific men issues is a mutating society, but is foremost addressing the war against men that feminism has being leading for the last 30 years, supposedly for the sake of "women"...

I've good reasons to believe that you advocate for gay/lesbo rights, I do as well (almost completely), even if I'm straight; when you advocate for those "rights" I assume you basically ask for extension of existing rights of heterosexual to homosexual individuals, in a non zero sum game. When you do that you are basically advocating for equality of treatment of individuals in respect of the laws. Equality against the law, that's it. That's the only equality we can think of, since equality among individuals does not make sense; we are all unique and different individuals, and twisting this principle is one of the main crimes brought from the psychotic feminism we had in the last decades.

We do not only raise attention on men's issues as such, but we fight against discriminatory actions pursued against half of a population for "the sake" of the other one, thus leading to a gradual gender war; we refuse the idea that individuals should be considered men or women, and their life and opportunities socially engineered according to these "categories".

So if you joined just to understand what we feel about topic such as the "VAWA", or "the lack of social attention to prostate cancer", or "the lack of focus on poor performing boys"...ecc...you will find tons of material and your interest it is truly appreciated...but you will get 10% of the story.

The remaining 90% is even more important, but more difficult to digest because it means to bestow false beliefs with which a large proportion of the population (most likely even you) has grown and gradually indoctrinated, especially from politicians that acted, and act, in bad will, believing that men are disposable and women vote can be easily "purchased".

Welcome.
fabrizio

Thank you so much for welcoming me


To Fabrizio, Yes, I also advocate for LGBT rights, but that's not all I do. I believe everyone has the right to have a voice, and I believe that rights should be protected. I'm not really here to find out what you think about VAWA, as that's just part of another issue. I'm here to really listen to what you have to say. I am truly interested in learning what rights have been taken from men. I know that for some of you, your stories are not being heard, and as an advocate, it's my job to make sure your voice gets out there. Especially in the past couple of years, I've seen numerous articles about women's issues, but next to nothing when it comes to men's issues. And that's not fair. I may be a feminist, but a real feminist recognizes that everyone - EVERYONE - deserves to be heard. Not just women. Not just politicians. There are real issues out there that I know you all are dealing with that really need attention. And I want to bring some attention to it. -In the most respectful way I know how, which is to blog my heart out and get the info out there. I'm interested in what's going on beneath the surface..forget the VAWA stuff. I want ALL voices heard. I promise I will be respectful. I will try not to open any fresh wounds, emotionally, that anyone is feeling. I will not degrade the experience you entrust me with. I promise honesty, fairness and respect. At all times. And if you should feel in any way that I'm not living up to that, all anyone has to do is say the word and I will make sure to get back on track.


I don't pay attention to what others think, and I definitely don't listen to the promises politicians make. I just want real. I want truth. Even if I'm uncomfortable hearing/reading it. Because if I weren't uncomfortable, that would mean that I'm getting the sugar-coated version. And that would mean that what you're fighting for wouldn't be heard. And I want you to be heard.


Sorry for the lengthy response, lol..I'm exhausted. Lots of research today! Thank you guys so much for allowing me to enter your private domain here. I am grateful that I was referred to your site


Krystina

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...... I'm an equal rights activist/advocate (for everyone, not just for one gender, age, etc.). ..............

.........How they've been affected, what rights have been taken away, how the government is working towards either helping them retain their rights or if they're being withheld, etc..

Krystina.

Do you want to know why people are saying, "Welcome" instead of answering you? LOOK AT YOUR WORDS!!!! Especially the one's I put in bold.

No-one is saying another group has or is taking their rights away.

You should know that women's rights is one group, child's rights another group and men's right yet another.

Rights is new to the world, that's why it's overtaking constitutions, ect. It's about each group having rights and all rights will be recognised through a body of representatives with research and argument.

Anyways, welcome. You will learn allot on your journey if you include this group of men.

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On second thought Krystinaj1, perhaps you are looking for specific groups working on prisons, war crime, etc and want to know what rights you can fight for.

I can give a few cases in the family court, but that's it for me. But then I am in New Zealand, so I don't know how your website will help.

This is a difficult one for me to answer. How do I feel about my rights?

The thing is, until very recently, I've never thought about my rights in the context of being a man. I don't think most men do. I've alwsays implicitly assumed I had rights as a "person", and defined myself not as a man, but as a ... I dunno, and a "person" I guess.

What I see is partly is an imbalance in society's norms, expectations and treatment of males with respect to women (this has always been there, but I was never aware of it before). And over recent years, I've noticed an increasing hostility toward men in society, and a willingness to disregard and ridicule our suffering. I guess it would be possible to frame this in terms of "rights", but I haven't thought about it like that.

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The thing is, until very recently, I've never thought about my rights in the context of being a man.

How sad. Welcome to Freddy Cougar's world.

How sad. Welcome to Freddy Cougar's world.

Yes. I'm starting to become aware of this issue. I'm thinking back to situations where I was given well meaning advice by women with regard to issues I was having at the time, and despite my best efforts, I just couldn't apply it in my life in a useful way. What I'm starting to realise is that our perspects were different, and they were assuming that how things were for them, were the same for me. But they weren't.

(Julie - Applied to other other post on the identity thread).

Welcome. You didn't say in your original post but I see you are in Canada. I recommend checking on posts by Outdoors as a good starting point as he is a very active and aware MRA in Canada.

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...what's happened to their rights..especially over the last couple of years leading up to the current election..How they've been affected, what rights have been taken away, how the government is working towards either helping them retain their rights or if they're being withheld, etc...

Also, consider those rights that men have never had but which are necessary to achieve the equality that society claims it wants. Do men have an equal chance of determining what happens to their unborn child? Do men have an equal chance of deciding on that child's future, or of bringing it up? Do men have an equal opportunity of taking care of their children when a family is split up? Such things are vital for men, many of whom suffer emotional distress and even mental illness through society's willingness to disregard them as fathers. Women have traditionally had the upper hand over children, with men in most western countries never getting the parity that is suggested by constitutions and human rights legislation that talk of everyone being equal.

I'm an equal rights activist/advocate (for everyone, not just for one gender,

interesting ! which gender has had equality ahhahahhah

Also, consider those rights that men have never had but which are necessary to achieve the equality that society claims it wants. Do men have an equal chance of determining what happens to their unborn child? Do men have an equal chance of deciding on that child's future, or of bringing it up? Do men have an equal opportunity of taking care of their children when a family is split up? Such things are vital for men, many of whom suffer emotional distress and even mental illness through society's willingness to disregard them as fathers. Women have traditionally had the upper hand over children, with men in most western countries never getting the parity that is suggested by constitutions and human rights legislation that talk of everyone being equal.

Politely quoted by Douglas. Under current circumstances, chattering about 'eekwalitee' evokes a feeling of nausea.
Men have the right to be sperm donors and wallets.
They have the right to not give a damn about gays, lesbians, feminists and weeping liberals.

They do not have the right to stop paying for it all.

Hi,

Julie, I'm not looking for something specific to fight for. Not war crimes, etc. I'm an advocate, first and foremost, not some journalist.

To Andy Man, thank you for putting that so eloquently. I hadn't thought of things that way, that it really should be rights as a PERSON, not as a gender. May I have your permission to put that comment in the article? -and just as an FYI, I will be making sure any participants get to read the article first, so as to make sure I haven't misquoted or missed something.

Douglas, Thank you for the link to "Outdoors". And I completely agree with you in regards to the points you brought up. Women usually DO have the upper hand when it comes to child custody. I've always been a believer that both parents (except in cases such as abuse, etc. - male or female) should share equal custody. Both legal and physical. May I also use your comment in my article?

I appreciate you all taking the time to give me information..You know, I have a little boy. He's a big part of the reason I do my advocacy. Because I'd hate to see him lose rights or not even have rights that should have been there in the first place. I know I can't change the world or other people's minds, but I do know that I can at least do my part to make sure the information is out there for whoever might need it.

I look forward to any more replies that come it.

Respectfully,

Krystina

To Andy Man, thank you for putting that so eloquently. I hadn't thought of things that way, that it really should be rights as a PERSON, not as a gender. May I have your permission to put that comment in the article? -and just as an FYI, I will be making sure any participants get to read the article first, so as to make sure I haven't misquoted or missed something.

Sure. Please feel free to correct my typos also

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Yes. I'm starting to become aware of this issue. I'm thinking back to situations where I was given well meaning advice by women with regard to issues I was having at the time, and despite my best efforts, I just couldn't apply it in my life in a useful way. What I'm starting to realise is that our perspects were different, and they were assuming that how things were for them, were the same for me. But they weren't.

(Julie - Applied to other other post on the identity thread).

I would like to add that, "The thing with well meaning advice, is that it's only well meaning". No one can really know the best advice to give and they give advise based on what they know.

I had a situation yesterday that I discussed with 'floaty'.... I gave advice based on caring for men, when in fact the best advice was to stop complete access. Caring for him was the worst thing to do. Caring for his 5 year old little boy he used to fondle his balls when horny, should have been paramount. Only by listening to young men who wanted him beaten, was I able to go back and change the advice.

But I don't really know whether this father can come back after crossing the line. I can only know what I know and can only give advice based on what I know.

We dealt with the situation without phoning police, but I don't even know if that was a good decision.

My point is that, not even men will give you advice that fits right. Only you know the best answers for YOU, IMO.

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Hi,

Julie, I'm not looking for something specific to fight for. Not war crimes, etc. I'm an advocate, first and foremost, not some journalist.

Krystina

Terrific.... I guess. What do you advocate for? I mean, what sort of aspects of women's, men's and children's rights do you advocate for?

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Politely quoted by Douglas. Under current circumstances, chattering about 'eekwalitee' evokes a feeling of nausea.
Men have the right to be sperm donors and wallets.
They have the right to not give a damn about gays, lesbians, feminists and weeping liberals.

They do not have the right to stop paying for it all.

This doesn't make sense to me.

I have had a lesbian friend (had because of her attitude) who would get angry at single mothers and married mothers for she felt it was unfair she should pay taxes for schools, health, and everything else around families for she didn't have children and didn't want children.

I can imagine there are lots of people who only want to pay taxes for what they get from the paid taxes. And then there's all the other individuals and groups who only want their groups and themselves to get benefits for one reason or another.

I think equality is the only way we will stop destroying all living things and the earth itself. I feel even the nastiest person should consider others that are coming after their generation.