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I believe there isn't much difference between feminism in Europe and in the U.S., however here feminism is already a real cancer, especially in northern europe, Sweden first.

If you could expand upon that, as to how feminism is impacting Italy, it would be fascinating given how machismo has been part of Italian culture for so long. How has it affected you, family and friends?

I'm here mainly to improve my english. I like to read this forum and helps me not feel alone in hating feminism and misandry.

Our longstanding member, Percy, will be on hand to point out the difference between English and bastardized versions of it.

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Hi everyone, I'm an 18 years old guy and I live in Italy. I like your site. I already frequent other italian communities about feminism and the hate for men they spread all the time everywhere, doubles standard, divorce laws that destroy men etc.

I believe there isn't much difference between feminism in Europe and in the U.S., however here feminism is already a real cancer, especially in northern europe, Sweden first.

I'm here mainly to improve my english. I like to read this forum and helps me not feel alone in hating feminism and misandry.

Welcome! I think your English is just fine.

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If you could expand upon that, as to how feminism is impacting Italy, it would be fascinating given how machismo has been part of Italian culture for so long. How has it affected you, family and friends?

What do you mean by machismo?

I'll try to explain a bit the situation here in Italy but isn't that easy for me because of the foreign language, hope you'll understand anyway despite the mistakes.

Maybe here is not as bad as other european countries, but we have our problems. We're full of feminists institutions and associations which call themselves department for equal opportunities ("pari opportunità") and things like that, obviously you should know this kinda tricks, they only want to keep privileges and obtain new. You know what? We're the only european country where still men obtain their pension later than women for most of the works, 5 years, and before than 10-15 years no way we'll se any change.
Misandry here is just the same s*** we all know; men are useless, men are violent, men are stupid, women are always victims and so on.

Many men ruined by divorce laws have joined some associations, no need to say these associations are considered mysogynist while they really aren't. They're simply asking to see their children and not became poor to mantain their wives... These associations are growin up, and since feminists can't ignore them anymore, they're trying to convince people that they're mysogynist.

If you contradict feminism (or women in general) you're often considered mysogynist or male chauvinist (the italian term for this is "maschilista" and is way more used in our language than yours). Recently they're trying to change the meaning of anti-feminism, using it as a synonymous of male chauvinism. They still have a lot of work since here in Italy even "misoginia" isn't such a popular word (still very popular compared to "misandria" though).

To understand the phenomenon of the exploitation of male violence, I'll only say that ISTAT, an institution that collects statistics here in Italy, has published a research according to which male violence is the leading cause of death for women between 15 and 44 years old. After some time, it was discovered that these data came from a survey conducted over the phone (I'm not kidding...), and the concept of violence was extended even to simple criticism (yesterday dinner was better than today ---> violence). Then, somehow, this kind of "violence" has become a cause of death. Basically they said that in Italy every year there are more than 130000 murders of women when they are actually 160 and about 100 between 15 and 60 years old. 130000 is the number of female deaths for diseases of the cardiovascular system; ISTAT thinks that 100 is greater than 130000.

I learned about misandry and anti-feminism on the web, two years since I started this; my parents are not divorced, however my mother calls herself a feminist, even if she's not really into this stuff and she only repeats what she hears from other people and tv, same for my sister which is married. Hope they'll never divorce, cause her husband is more than well-off (actually his family is quite rich) and knowing my sister, her husband will end up losing thousands and thousands of euros and his children (I think they want one or two children). My brother thinks that feminism is right. I don't talk too much with my father but he doesn't seem feminist at all, luckily. My friends, girls quite often talk like feminist, boys not as much, but there's absolutely no one into masculinist movements. Waitin' for their divorce since they don't trust me about the divorce laws against men.

I'm a bit tired now, never talked in english about this kinda stuff, hope is comprehensible.

A fix; I compared the number of deaths from diseases of the cardiovascular system at all ages with the number of murders in 15-60 years old range only. Sorry.
However it depends on the sources. Anyway! The sentences below were all repeated for many months, sorry I've translated only the first one. Just see the numbers.

"Male violence is the leading cause of death for women!" 140 vs 280.000
"Muoiono più donne per mano maschile che per qualsiasi altra causa nella fascia 15-59!": 105 contro 18.700
"Ne uccidono di più i maschi che il cancro!" 140 contro 70.000
"Ne muoiono più per la violenza domestica che qualsiasi altra causa!" 90 contro 280.000
"Ne uccidono di più i maschi che non il cancro nella fascia 15-59!" 105 contro 12.300
"Ne uccide più l' "amore" del tumore!" 90 contro 70.000

Quote from marchrius

What do you mean by machismo?

Men being men. Masculinity and men retaining their balls etc.

I'm a bit tired now, never talked in english about this kinda stuff, hope is comprehensible.

You've done a fantastic job in forwarding your position and the input is appreciated.

Marchrius, looking at your writing, despite your youth, I believe you can input greatly into the concerns of Italian men, now, and into the future.

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A fix; I compared the number of deaths from diseases of the cardiovascular system at all ages with the number of murders in 15-60 years old range only. Sorry.
However it depends on the sources. Anyway! The sentences below were all repeated for many months, sorry I've translated only the first one. Just see the numbers.

"Male violence is the leading cause of death for women!" 140 vs 280.000
"Muoiono più donne per mano maschile che per qualsiasi altra causa nella fascia 15-59!": 105 contro 18.700
"Ne uccidono di più i maschi che il cancro!" 140 contro 70.000
"Ne muoiono più per la violenza domestica che qualsiasi altra causa!" 90 contro 280.000
"Ne uccidono di più i maschi che non il cancro nella fascia 15-59!" 105 contro 12.300
"Ne uccide più l' "amore" del tumore!" 90 contro 70.000

Another thing, don't get into a habit of saying 'sorry.' Although you may be well intentioned, only apologize for what you are personally responsible for.

Welcome aboard.

@Celtic Druid: thanks a lot. I'll keep that "sorry" thing in mind too.

Hello, from french Canada (Montreal)! I am happy to see the international community seeing the light!

This one is for you.

Welcome. Bon giorno.

Italy has enough trouble with Mafioso. Now they have Feminists too. Spot the difference.

Welcome Marchrius. As a newcomer myself I hope we can share many discussions in the future

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@Celtic Druid: thanks a lot. I'll keep that "sorry" thing in mind too.

If you start making apology as habit you'll spend a lifetime playing to an attentive audience.

Civility must be imparted to deserved souls, not as a means to an end.

Do you know about the slut walks?

Welcome Marchrius, and keep writing. Your English is already good enough to convey the message you want, and paints a sorry but all too familiar picture of how misandry has taken root in Italy in the usual nest of lies. Italy needs young men like you, and so does the movement as a whole. You seem to have your head screwed on, which hopefully will protect you from having any other part of your anatomy and life screwed off...

Just a general thought: it may sound depressing to the rest of us to learn that Italy is yet another country to embrace the feminist ideology and to indulge in unjustified male-bashing. But it seems to me that perhaps it is a necessary evil to be worked through, by all countries. Now that feminism has taken a grip and has started strangling one society after another, it may be inevitable that every society in turn has to learn the hard way that it has no future and will only lead to slavery and misery for all. If we had good, intelligent leaders with balls, we would not have to endure the experiment being inflicted on us. But since I can't detect any country on the planet that seems to have any such leaders anywhere on the horizon, it seems inevitable that we are all going to have to work our way through the great feminist misandrist experiment until it proves itself a failure and nobody can deny it, pay its crippling price or endure the pain any longer. It is just that some countries are further along that unhappy road than others, and the slow ones will have to catch up in their own good time. Being put through the pain barrier is the only way some people will ever learn. The rest of us just have to find ways to avoid as much of that pain as we can manage (but MGTOW is a good start).