Greetings!

How did you happen upon the AM community, if I may ask? You seem to have a similar outlook to many here... We're often called anti-feminist and often call ourselves anti-feminist, but that's because we judge the feminist movement on it's actions which all too often appear to be more about elevating women over men or promoting hatred of men than anything to do with equality. You seem to have made similar observations.

Where about in England are you? I'm near Worcester.

I'm in Glasgow. A few times I have done a Google search on various gender related issues and this forum has came up. So I knew about here for a short while but signed up tonight

I feel calling myself anti-feminist might be a bit of a pitfall.. I would take it to mean opposed to what feminists generally advocate for in reality these days and understand that's what MRAs mean by it, but feminists may again point to the dictionary definition and claim I was against the dictionary definition and therefore didn't want women to have equal rights.

Yes, the tactic you mention (pointing to the dictionary definition & claiming you disagree with that) is regularly used by feminists to silence opposition.

Simply respond by stating you define a movement by it's actions not it's claims (or it's dictionary definition). That also opens up the opportunity to express the various & plentiful examples of misandry promoted by feminist groups & individuals.

Shame you're so far away...

We're holding our next meeting in Manchester which is about a 3hr drive away...

Howdy.

I think Karl has explained succinctly a retort to feminists lazily pointing to the dictionary definition of feminism when challenged, just point out how it doesn't tally with what they claim it be, when it manifests in reality (it doesn't do what it says on the tin). Feminists hate logic, it's like kryptonite to superman.

I look forward to your input.

The good news for you YR is that there is absolutely no need whatsoever to declare yourself either an antifeminist or an MRA to not only post here, but do much useful work as one who believes misandry is wrong and should be campaigned against..

Labels are indeed of little use.. Its whats in the heart that counts..

I am sure even some feminists mean well!

Welcome.

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I feel calling myself anti-feminist might be a bit of a pitfall.. I would take it to mean opposed to what feminists generally advocate for in reality these days and understand that's what MRAs mean by it, but feminists may again point to the dictionary definition and claim I was against the dictionary definition and therefore didn't want women to have equal rights.

Feminists have had little to do with gaining women equal rights. In the UK, the main campaign group that could claim the victory was the Women's Liberation Movement, which was often at odds with the feminist movement. The main group to give women equal rights was, of course, parliament - most of whom were male.

If you have some time, I cover this along with other issues in my blog entry:
Why many women think they are feminists -- and why they are wrong. - Blogs - antimisandry.com

Men must be really nice folks.. After all, when they had all this power, they gave it to women eh?

Pity the women seem determined never to give any of thiers to men!

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I am sure even some feminists mean well!

I agree I'm sure there are feminists out there who don't bash men and do want equality. But the prob with feminism is has a tendency to be biased and too one-sided, it's about one gender and one gender only (the word FEMinism itself should give you a clue which one), feminists want better than equality (instead of balancing the scales they want the scales to keep tipping in their favour) and they often attempt triviliase issues which affect men.

Another thing I disagree with feminism is they tend to be very prudish and want to ban anything to do with the sex industry (which I believe can actually make things worse for women such as pushing the sex industry underground- but that's for another topic). Although there are some who identify as "sex-positive feminists" who have more sense and advocate for a legalised and regulated (and therefore safer) sex industry.

We often hear about feminists wanting to ban things like Page 3 (bearing in mind Page 3 models are all consenting adults who get paid well, and noone is being forced to buy The Sun if they don't want to). But what happened to "my body, my choice"? Isn't feminism supposed to be about freedom? Shouldn't women decide for themselves what to do with their own bodies instead of feminists telling them what they can and can't do?

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But what happened to "my body, my choice"? Isn't feminism supposed to be about freedom? Shouldn't women decide for themselves what to do with their own bodies instead of feminists telling them what they can and can't do?

I have the same question.

I agree I'm sure there are feminists out there who don't bash men and do want equality.

Och! There's that 'eekwalitee' word again! If oranges were sand-papered smooth and dyed red they would look like apples. Pity about the taste.

Anyhow YR, you've taken the first tentative step outside of the world of feminist propaganda.

As such, you are very welcome here.

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But what happened to "my body, my choice"? Isn't feminism supposed to be about freedom? Shouldn't women decide for themselves what to do with their own bodies instead of feminists telling them what they can and can't do?

Silly man! Of course we can as long as we make the correct choice.

Of course you can... as long as it's ok with the feminist community...

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Of course you can... as long as it's ok with the feminist community...

Exactly.