Ok, as a white (almost) mid 40's male, I can cop the flack of being responsible for the worlds woes, (my dad passed it onto me). I can also understand why so many men in my age group and older have given up and choose to seek solace in the arms of an overseas beauty whenever they get the opportunity. What I can't understand is why a perfectly eligible, good looking lad of 21 who has no problems with getting girls at home chooses to do the same thing.(As does my friends son).

I also can't understand why a boy of 14 (my ex's son), tells me that he has given up on girls. (no doubt that will change when the hormones kick in and no, he's not thinking of boys).

Where the hell is this going to leave us in generations to come if this is the attitude of young blokes today?

I stumbled across this site while trying to figure out the answers to some of these questions. Hopefully i'll find some here.

Welcome.

I myself am 21, have not given up on women, but it has been a long time since I've met a woman I would take any further than her bed. So short answer to your question as to why guys are turning their backs on women: feminism.

Longer answer: I used to be a romantic sap who followed all the advice women gave and acted romantic whilst women ditched me for jerks and arseholes. Then I figured out the truth. Women want men, and guys today aren't men. They don't know how to be.

Now I have changed, I can get women, but I will only take a woman further than her bed if she can prove herself to me. Most women these days are vapid, shallow, easy and are not worth my time except for carnal gratification. They have an expectation of entitlement and without having earned it.

I expect a worthy but I put the time into being worthy myself. I am fit, I am planning for my future, I enjoy my life and I give respect to those who earn it. I want a woman who is worth my time, not these pseduo-women I see everywhere.

So I guess, in sum, want you are seeing is guys who have become disenfranchised between what girls say and what they really want, guys who don't know how to be Men, but they feel something is wrong and want to do something about, and guys who have become disillusioned with modern girls and want a lady, want somebody feminine. These sort of women are to be found in no Western country.

If I have time later on I'll provide some links or copy paste some articles that really changed my view. I am no MRA, by the way, I only came here recently by accident, but I can identify with your friend's son.

You can't understand?

You are looking backwards; they have a dismal future looking forwards.

Many thanks, look forward to it.

Welcome aboard... although a ship with a growing crew, and already set sail... we're not actually going anywhere like Asia or such. We're just kinda... getting away from the noise of society here.

Sophistry:

I have a friend who also thought that western women were unworthy of his time...so he traveled to Japan in search of a wife and he found one. Within two years he settled there, was married, and had a son. But shortly after his son was born, his wife began to have affairs. She left him before their son was even two years old. She abandoned their child, as well.

He flew back to the US, brought his son back here, too, and has been raising their child on his own ever since. The eastern wife he thought was going to be so different from western women does not call, does not write, does not care to see the boy, nor has she ever paid any child support whatsoever.

The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence.

You can entertain yourself with the fantasy if you like. But the reality is, greed, selfishness, dishonesty, immorality...these are traits that are not gender specific nor are they culture-specific. To believe that they are, might be setting yourself up for a pretty big fall.

Just an observation.

The legal situation in Japan is different from the legal situation in USA.

In Japan, one parent is taking the child, and the other disappears - there are no child-support and no visitation rights in Japan.

Why did this man go back to USA? This shows me, that he has no idea or acceptance of the life/laws here in Japan. He should stay, continue his job in Japan and look for another wife, not necessarily a Japanese women... plenty of foreign women living in Japan.

The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence, but the law in Japan is protecting the man, he does not pay any alimony to his wife, right? In USA or Canada, divorced, half of his salary would be gone for wife and child, and if she decides moving away, he would never see the child anyway.

Still better in Japan if you ask me...

Welcome,

I think, many men are mixing up the quality of a woman with the laws existing in her native country.

Women are nothing better in their native country, regardless of Asian, Latina or elsewhere.

The point is however the law - in USA you will find yourself in serious troubles after a break-up, however while married in Thailand this will be not the case...

To bring a woman into the US/EU does not make sense to me, however as a man from US/EU to move over to another countries is a good step, if you prefer family life.

The 21 young man you write about is on his right way - he is worried not about contacts with females, but worried about what might happen to him if something is going wrong with the relationship.

What I'm saying is, people can flee the US and go to other countries (Japan is just one of many options) to find what they think they can't find here...and if they under the illusion that things are better someplace else they may realize that it's really not always true.

Maybe (and I know this is going to be an unpopular view), we should examine how it is that we are either attracted to (or find ourselves the targets of attraction) by people who would readily take advantage of us. Examining one's own pattern of unhealthy attraction might be the key to avoiding such relationships in the future. And this is something one can do no matter where they happen to live.

What has LAW to do with ILLUSION?

In Japan there is no child-support, no alimony in case the marriage was short-time, no visitation rights...

In Thailand, if another man is interfering into your marriage you have the right to file a lawsuit against him. If the wife nevertheless is going with him, and your house was registered in your name BEFORE marriage, it will be yours, she cannot claim anything.

In Philippines, there is no divorce. To nullify a marriage is costly and takes years...the wife cannot just go away, marry again and claiming something from you...

In Malaysia children will stay with the father, the mother might leave anytime, but cannot claim anything...

These are the laws, and not 'illusion'. It's simple, in feminist countries men and family values are not protected, if you as a married man does not like that, you have 2 options:

1 - stay single, no marriage, no children
2 - move away to another country

I decided for #2 - move away.

Quote: "In Malaysia children will stay with the father, the mother might leave anytime, but cannot claim anything..."

How is sexism, prejudice, and discrimination against women any "better" than sexism, prejudice, and discrimination against men?