That puts them almost in your league then :-)

F- who gives you your statistics, Fred Phelps?

Chev- You're right, bigot was the wrong word if you feel that way. Let's just say I don't care if it's wrong biblically, and if it occurs in nature, it must be natural, imo. And I don't believe mental institutions should exist, so yes, let them out. Who decides that thinking a certain way is normal? That being different is wrong? Tyranny of the majority.

It'd be interesting to se what Drex had to say about that point ...

Well welcome back. I agree with Chev and we are entitled to say what we believe. We dont hate we dont agree with their life style. PLEASE UNDERSTAND that for us to hate them would be to say "keep going as you are..." Let me state I have friends from my school days who are gay they know where I stand. They know Its not bigotry. I warned my friend to give it up - pleaded with him.
Now he has AIDS. He was great friend to me from school days I am profoundly sad to see him dying. If he had listened to me he would not have AIDS now. Where are is gay friends ?- All gone.
Enough said on this we are not going to agree on everything.

People are in mental institutions mostly because they can't take care of themselves.

haha! actually, those figures I cant find now!! I just remember that figure because its well, yeah, same as mine!!

But, there is evidence that gay men in the scene are much more promiscious than hetro men..

Even accounting for the "non scene" gays, the average is round about 40 or so, which is about 5 times the average hetro..
From the easily googled stats!

As for gay men and women, what they do behind closed doors between consenting adults is no real concern of mine.

However, this is where I part company between a concept and reality. Gay womens distaste through to absolute hatred of men (misandry) embraces a degree of socially accepted concepts which is (mostly) ubiquitous throughout society. Elements of extreme gay men reflect the 'accepted' radicalism of feminists. The majorative remainder are pathetic souls who think by regurgitating long since debunked myths are remaining within some greater social agenda.

I don't have reservations in regard to the "sexual freedoms" expressed by gay men and women. I have a problem with their almost blind adherence to feminism - to varying degrees. Why must gay sexuality, particularly female be synonymous with ideology? And that ideology being so detrimental to men in general?

Muay if I somehow gave offense I apologize that certainly was not my intent.

I merely wanted to know if it is ok for you to agree with homosexuality why is it so wrong for me to disagree with it.

I would have no problem working alongside a gay person or even being friends with gay people.

Chances are I know a few but do not know they are gay.

You're not wrong to disagree Chev, I spoke in haste. I beleive your position may be socially ignorant, but then you and I run in very different societies. So you're not a bigot, like I said, wrong word. And I'm not a liberal, btw, I'm an anarchist/libertarian (not all that different in libertarianism's purest forms).

Evolutionary psychologists like Steve Moxon claim that channelling male libido into productive work is what raised us out of the stone age. Also, for most of our existence procreation was a challenge, and pair-bonding was found to be the best guarantee of raising enough offspring. Religion institutionalized these ideas.

Chev's argument is related to the license for non-productive activity traditionally reserved for elites. Westerners are now the global elite, so there is a perverse logic in our abandoning self-sacrifice, delayed gratification etc.

Yip, me too. I was banned some years ago from Anti-state.com for breaking their rules!!

The libertarian paradox often strikes those who dont truly believe!!