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    Knife Block

    As is the most current entry on AH's index page, i've copied it here just in case some want to see it.
    Yes it's been discussed before on other forums (and here i think in the "old posts") but this time AH has kindly supplied emails and piccys.

    so, as follows: Here are the contact emails:


    Dave Booth, Managing Director.
    dave@iwantoneofthose.com


    Tim Booth, Creative Director.
    tim@iwantoneofthose.com


    Mike Morrison, Techie & wed design.
    mike@iwantoneofthose.com


    Mark Johnson, Operations Director.
    mark@iwantoneofthose.com


    Nicky Haslam, Finance Director.
    nicola@iwantoneofthose.com



    The only negative, due it's sexism, comment they allowed to be published, they mocked - I wonder if they'd mock a complaining if the genders were inverted?

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    Nice comment from a particularly irate customer...
    Why is this sexist c**p allowed? How about a female figure being stabbed, and the legend "All women are bitches?" How would that be taken? You would not have the guts to sell it! You cowardly scum that sell this make me sick!
    Dave
    - Newcastle
    The bold text is their comments - none of the other 'reviews' (which were positive) were commented on... odd, eh.




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    I feel particularly agrieved by this . It was posted onanother site by someone "as a joke" . The comments from people were full of "Oh isn't it funny etc" . I complained and was flamed

    This product is sick and offensive ,has anyone reported it to the police ?
    Keep up the good work on this site !!!!


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    Sorry to keep on about this one .
    Apologies if it looks like I am bringing a row from another site over , that's not the intention .
    On the board that this "product" was 1st mentioned (much to the pure joy of many of the women on it ) the original thread has just , after a good few months been pulled .
    I sent a messahe on there on Sunday , feeling really low , hinting that I might actually take my own life (I realise this was wrong ) . That thread was pulled after 3 days !
    Rule on feminist message boards is clear , If you are a woman it is perfectly acceptable to post a thread encouraging murder . If you are a man , who has dared to speak hi mind ,don't even think about posting a plea for support !!!!!
    BTW , if this post has broken any rules ,feel free to delete .


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    This is more Harry's area so I leave it in his good hands.

    But to address one point: If you're experiencing particularly unhealthy thoughts, do get the help required. Do not sit idly by and allow them to manifest into a reality.

    We don't need to know your personal reasons (unless you're happy to express them in 'chit-chat' or perhaps 'help' portion of this forum, but you do need to vent and blow some steam occasionally.



    Out of the gloom a voice spake unto me. 'Smile and be happy, Things could get worse."
    So I smiled and was happy, and behold... Things did get worse.


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    No worries , Karl .
    I was feeling a little "down" . Life is to precious to throw it away .
    Thanks for your support ,friend


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    Well, I've just taken a look at the site and the feedback and there are mixed reviews - one man thinks it's sexist, one man thinks it's funny and named it after a neighbour - it seems he and his wife enjoyed scaring the mother-in-law with it, who thought it was tasteless, one woman thinks it's a good venting tool about horrible people (she does name men or males in the sense of an ex-boyfriend, but taxman is more about the money than the fact that he's a man - I'm assuming anyway).

    A range of views.

    IMHO:

    1) If I just saw it on a shelf I'd simply think it was a bit of dark humor - although it's in the shape of a man, rightly or wrongly, I don't associate it with a male specifically in the same sense I don't associate male based generic words solely with men, eg mankind, man-hole cover, man overboard etc.

    2) The name of the block does supply another context for it than I might otherwise have considered - 'All Men Are Bastards' does put a different slant on it for me.

    3) If the block was in the shape of a woman, what would I think?

    I think I'd think the same - If the block was named 'All women Are Bitches' I'd pretty uncomfortable with it - I'd think it was aggressive and inappropriate.

    If it was named 'Another Bad Day At the Office' I'd probably think it a bit gruesome, but smile.



    (BTW Sealion - do hope you're feeling a bit cheerier)



    Oh no, there's not a man in the room! Who'll buy me a drink? It's their entire own fault, they should have known! It's not fair - I'm going to cry! Better not, it'll smudge my mascara. Then I won't look as beguiling and no one will buy me a drink or give me a ride home in their flash sports car and I won't be able to sit and smile smugly at all the other girls when we stop at the traffic lights and let them see I caught myself an Alpha man... I do wish they'd hurry up! I seem to spend all my life just waiting around preoccupied with finding my prince... This and other fairy tales can be purchased at BH Books Ltd, ISBN 0-123-34567-7 ;-)
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    If the block was in the shape of a woman, what would I think?
    In the UK it would be **illegal** if it was in the shape of a woman.



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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Anonymous
    Really? Serious question - would it really be illegal? How so? Under what laws?
    BTW, posted by BH - sorry, again!



    Oh no, there's not a man in the room! Who'll buy me a drink? It's their entire own fault, they should have known! It's not fair - I'm going to cry! Better not, it'll smudge my mascara. Then I won't look as beguiling and no one will buy me a drink or give me a ride home in their flash sports car and I won't be able to sit and smile smugly at all the other girls when we stop at the traffic lights and let them see I caught myself an Alpha man... I do wish they'd hurry up! I seem to spend all my life just waiting around preoccupied with finding my prince... This and other fairy tales can be purchased at BH Books Ltd, ISBN 0-123-34567-7 ;-)
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    Imagine this was in the shape of a woman with"all women are bitches" printed on it ,and Harry put it on his website saying "hey guys what do you think of this" complete w/th "smiley" images ,what would the reaction be ?

    He would be inundated with hate mail & probably be investigated by the police!! Yet a woman put this image on another board I frequent ,
    along with the message "how about this for Christmas ,girls ??

    I protested,and was flamed . All sorts of excuses were used such as "it was only fun "
    being that someone
    had been stabbed ouside my workplace only a few nights before I considered these comments in very bad taste .
    I know I shouldn't say this ,but I sometimes hope that
    any one who found this funny becomes a victim of violence themselves!!!!then they would see how funny stabbing is!
    Sorry guys , I am still livid about this one !!!


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    Well, for those who are interested, here is my response to that heinous email, ...

    http://www.angryharry.com/esknifeblockemail.htm



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    Superb , AH
    I am glad I am not the only one who took offence at this evil object .
    As I have said before , the grief I got when I complained at the message board ,where it was 1st posted was amazing . I was even accused of "hounding" the "sweet elderly lady" that had originally posted it !!
    Good luck in getting this muck of the market , Harry .
    Keep up your superb site !


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    Mr AH,

    I read your page with the reply and such, and was glad to see many of the views aired here, on SYG and your own too.

    It was a brilliant peice! Keep up your good work.

    ps - do you want a page on my site to reflect it (i.e. google will see more entries pointing to same place and increase the google-rankings) for your page to that item (knifeblock searches )



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    So I smiled and was happy, and behold... Things did get worse.


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    Further: From SYG

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    Originally Posted by [url=http://www.standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8660#100613
    Disposable Dick[/url]]The Advertising Standards Authority in Britain has rejected complaints about the advertising and marketing of the "All Men are Bastards" knifeblock.

    Their ruling here

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    Complaint:

    Objections, one via an MP, to an ad in a mail order gift catalogue, featured in The Times and The Telegraph, for a knife block. The ad was headlined "ALL MEN ARE BASTARDS KNIFE BLOCK" and showed a picture of the product which was shaped like a man with several knives stuck in his body. Text next to the product stated "Well isn't this the best knife block you've ever seen in your life? Brilliant design, superb humour, what more could you want in your kitchen (and wouldn't it make the ultimate present for any number of occasions)".

    The complainants objected that the ad was offensive and irresponsible because it condoned and depicted violence. One complainant was concerned that the image and headline were demeaning to men.

    Codes Section: 2.2, 5.1, 5.3, 11.1 (Ed 11)

    Adjudication:

    Complaints not upheld

    I Want One of Those Ltd (IWOT) said the ad was a mildly humorous depiction of the item, which was the work of an award winning Italian designer and had become very popular over recent months. They maintained that the ad had been featured in various formats totalling up to three million copies and that they had received no complaints. IWOT pointed out that the product was obviously androgynous due to its lack of features and that its use was clearly stated in the ad. The Telegraph said their readers were likely to understand the humour of the knife block and headline and they had received no complaints. The Times did not comment.

    The ASA noted IWOT's assertion that the product was androgynous and the intended humour of the phrase used to describe it. We considered the phrase "ALL MEN ARE BASTARDS" to be a common and ironic piece of female humour, which was unlikely to be interpreted literally or encourage violent behaviour. We also considered the item was labelled clearly as a knife block and possessed an unrealistic form, which was unlikely to be seen as a man. We concluded that the ad was unlikely to cause serious or widespread offence, condone or encourage violence or be seen as demeaning to men.

    We investigated under CAP Code clauses 2.2 (Responsible advertising), 5.1 and 5.3 (Decency) and 11.1 (Violence and anti-social behaviour) but did not find the ad in breach.
    I'm speechless but somehow not surprised.
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    Quote:
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    Originally Posted by Rob
    Thanx Rob. I'm so glad somebody did an XX version. Saves me the trouble of spending hours learning how to use photoshop again.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rob
    Interesting to read a (female) purchaser's review of this product:

    "I gave this funky present to my husband for Christmas and he absolutely loves it. Our satisfaction grew when it freaked his mother out (she thinks it's 'sick'), and when we decided to name it after our annoying neighbour. We love the way it glistens in the corner, waiting for us to slowly remove or insert one of the knives. How horribly wicked!
    Sally
    - London"


    Who would be surprised to find out that the neighbour is a male? I guess there's nothing violent about naming your knife block after your neighbour and visualizing yourself stabbing him everytime you use a sharp object. Not to mention the vindictiveness of this whacko bragging about taking pleasure in aggravating an immediate family member. (How does that play out in the the Duluth Model?)

    This whole Knifeblock thing is just freakin' absurd!
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    Just another example of how men are forced to swallow misandry again. No wonder why so many men hate themselves, hate women, and are committing suicide.
    I'm in absolute with 'ram charger' here - regardless how blatantly obvious the misandry is, no-one (of authority) gives two hoots.
    Realistically, if they'd have released the mock-up (all women are bitches knifeblock), there would be outrage and it WOULD be pulled off the shelves quicker than you could blink in shock at seeing an misogynistic product.



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    Superb image of the "all women are bitches" knife block .
    I might post it onto the feminist site that thought that the "all women are bitches" knife block was a real "hoot" . Reckon I'd be banned ???


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    Prologue:
    I run a forum with probably about 75% female membership. As most of them are highly educated and intelligent and have the least to complain about male oppression, there is of course also a abundance of feminists there. (Logical, eh?) and a few feminist men too.
    Though my site and forum has nothing to do with feminist issues those still come up every now and then - in the offtopic part.

    Recently the subject of "women are discriminated in the jobworld" came up. My initial response of "hogwash" and "nonsense" wouldn't do, so I had to do some research to come up with facts, figures and arguments. Thats how I found this site in the first place. After posting my factbased response the usual followed - ridiculing, offending, ignoring, denying, belittling etc. - you know.

    the story:

    Now I set up a little experiment or shall I say trap :-D , cause I love to reveal feminist hypocrisy

    I took the above excellent photoshopwork without the explaining addendum, posted it, said I am appauled, and ask what people think about it.
    I expect male and female members to be equally appauled - and quite rightly so. blahblah about violence and oppression against women will follow.

    In due course I will reveal the truth.
    I wonder about the reaction.
    1.) will some of them contradict themselves in the same thread (e.g. the woman-thing is awful, the male-thing is just harmless fun)?
    2.) will they admit, that this is still awful and that there are double-standards?
    3.) will suddenly nobody post anymore and ignore it
    4.) ????

    What do you think?

    I'll keep you updated and let you know (my site is german and I don't expect anybody here to understand anything there)


    I hope it is ok to use the photo!??

    here is the link to my post in my forum
    http://www.bookcrossing.at/forum/YaB...num=1142458890


     
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