This is a discussion on Florence Nightingale (yes, yes, she's a woman) within the Great Men & Their Historical Accomplishments forums, part of the General category; An excellent article by Melanie Phillips in today's Daily Mail . Dirty wards, feminism and the tragic end of Florence ...
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An excellent article by Melanie Phillips in today's Daily Mail. Dirty wards, feminism and the tragic end of Florence Nightingale's ethos of patient care Quote:
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quote: But that is far from the full explanation. Much more important is what has happened to the nursing profession, where there has simply been a collapse of that ethic of caring first promulgated by the inventor of modern nursing, Florence Nightingale. My aunt has been a nurse for almost fifty years, and she talks about this with great sadness. Women have no sympathy . . . And my experience of women is almost as large as Europe. And it is so intimate too. Women crave for being loved, not for loving. They scream at you for sympathy all day long, they are incapable of giving any in return for they cannot remember your affairs long enough to do so. - Florence Nightingdale I love that quote Feminism = Fear + Flattery | ||||
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My experience of nurses are that they are a load of lazy fat fucks who cant be arsed with anything other than getting pissed at the weekend , or when they get home, then recovering from their hang-overs while watching tv all day on the wards and getting paid for a job they dont do very well.. With a few exceptions.. But sadly, the norm is that nurses are no more "angels" than "anals".. Up their fucking own..
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Well, I, for one, totally hope we can get rid of our horrible capitalist healthcare system here in America that just serves to fill the pockets of those greedy insurance companies so that we can receive all the glorious benefits of a well run national system like those enlightened Europeans have!
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"I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It's when you know you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what. You rarely win, but sometimes you do." - Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird http://equalbutdifferent.blogspot.com/ | ||||
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Still, in the UK, thanks to the "two tier" health service, there is perhaps hope, if you have money..
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I think one thing few people realize about the horrible capitalist healthcare system in America is that it isn't anything of the sort. According to wikipedia, for instance, US Government programs account for more than 44% of healthcare expenditures in the US, making it the largest insurer in the US and one of the top ten spenders among United Nations member countries. The US Government spends a greater fraction of its budget on healthcare than Canada does, for instance. Honestly, the only reason we're the capitalists is because we don't stop people from privately payig a doctor (like they do in Canada, for instance). Otherwise, it seems like we have plenty of publicly provided healthcare. You were born with two choices in life: either suffer the indignity of your own bad behavior or the injury of someone else’s. If you choose to avoid the humiliation of the former, you must come to accept the burden of the latter. | ||||
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Melanie paints a dreadful picture and quite rightly sheets some blame home to Feminism, particularly within the nursing 'profession'. It goes a lot deeper though. The comments here regarding public and private is interesting and the divide between the American experience and the British noted. I grew up with the NHS and remember well old Doc MacDonald, our GP, who knew our family's health issues intimately. Our local hospital in Coventry was, by modern standards, in the dark ages but it's staff cared and worked hard. We had faith in the system. It seems such a long time ago that such faith was deserved - and met. Few people under 50 in the UK quite understand the hope that the NHS held out for people. It was a jewel in the crown of post-war rebuilding. My friend Amfortas was asked recently, in his Presidential interview, about the state of American health care. Quote:
I have tried all my life to leave the place better than I found it. But there are 6 billion other buggers out there messing it up. I am outnumbered. But... YOU don't just make a difference, you make THE difference. ![]() | ||||
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My mother, who has been a nurse for many a year, has often lamented of the sheer laziness of much of the medical staff at the places she works. It's very sad to me that people go into such a field with no inclination to actually help others.
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