Article: Medical profession should disclose the truth to men victims of paternity fraud

[Daylight]

By H. Daylight. August 2011

Following the good news for both men and women that a company has discovered a non-invasive method of testing for the paternity, it is hoped that the method will reduce the incidences of "misattributed paternity", the politically-correct term for the paternity fraud. Women and men should be excited at the prospects of having unambiguous determination of the identity of the source of the genes the child is carrying. Only if the medical profession is willing to share the information of the true fatherhood with the men victims of paternity fraud.

When a child is born, hospitals carry out a number of tests to determine the immediate and potential future risks to the newborn. These include a number of tests on the physical and biological characteristics of the child. Unfortunately, the children are not routinely tested for the risks passed down by their fathers. Fathers can pass some of the most debilitating illnesses to their beloved children. For some reasons, the hospitals assume the children's paternity without actually scientifically testing their assumption.

If a putative father is known to be free from genetic disorders, then the community sits back and relax while the child may be growing with a ticking timed genealogical malfunction passed down by the child's real father, if the putative father is a victim of the paternity fraud. The society unnecessarily puts the life of the children in danger, where just a simple genetical test would provide the life-saving information in time.

The dried blood spots provide an opportunity to screen life-threatening problems in children. Earlier in life, when the hospitals discovers that the man is not the father of the child, it would reduce suffering and trauma later in life in all involved parties. Even better, the new non-invasive genetic tests can reveal the paternity information some weeks early in the pregnancy. But there is a catch.

The problem is not technology's ability to discern the paternity, nor the costs of the tests. Routine medical check can identify blood types inconsistent with putative paternity. The big problem is the society's willingness to deal with the paternity fraud.

A graduate research document reports that "geneticists and genetic counselors most often do not tell the husband of the finding of non-paternity, in order to protect the family unit" when they discover paternity fraud during routine tests for genetic diseases.

Another report suggests the possibility of the routine human leukocyte antigen (HLA) testing prior to kidney transplant to uncover the paternity fraud. In its literature review, the report cites a survey that found 96% of the genetics professionals will not inform the men victim of paternity fraud, but rather inform the women perpetrator of paternity fraud. The aim as always is 'to protect family units'. In fact, the Committee on Assessing Genetic Risks of the Institute of Medicine guidelines require the medical professionals to only inform the women about the discovery paternity fraud, something other researchers have branded unethical.

A paper written by an expert author on bioethics states:

Without knowing more about the nature of their relationship, or a woman's reasons for having an affair, it is difficult to assert with confidence that the unfaithful woman has wronged the deceived man. Likewise, a mother may have had good reasons for not telling her partner about the paternity of the children, making it difficult to argue that on balance she has done the wrong thing in not being truthful even if the truth was owed.

Waiting for the medical professionals to take the necessary step on their own may take a long time. Men have to push for the legislation requiring the medical professionals to tell the truth to men when the medicine practice intentionally or otherwise discovers paternity fraud. Otherwise, all of the advances in genetic testing science and technology may mean nothing in discerning the true parentage. If we cannot trust the medical profession because they choose to be economical with truth as to the correct fatherhood, who can we then trust?

(C) 2011by H. Daylight. All rights reserved.

[Richard]

OK, lets get a lynch mob from London onto those bastards who are aware of, and cover up paternity fraud in the name of "science" - they sound like a bunch of nazi's to me. I hoe those bastards get a taste of their own medicines.

[shaazam]

In Australia the "father" sure can order a paternity test on "his" baby but Momma must agree to it !!!!

so Papa is pushing it up hill from the word go - another little trick the feminit nation has foisted on butthead

[Douglas]

A brilliant article, Daylight. You are a true credit to yourself and a valuable source of reasoned information.

If we cannot trust the medical profession because they choose to be economical with truth as to the correct fatherhood, who can we then trust?

Being "economical with the truth" is a harsh phrase, since it is most often used on those who are lying, if only by omission. If you ask a medical professional to tell you whether you are the genetic ancestor of someone, they should either say that they will not tell you, or tell you. That's not lying, it is having concern from a medical practitioner's viewpoint for the well-being of people.

You don't have to like it any more than I do but the medical profession is between a rock and a hard place on ethical issues like this. There is no 'right' thing for them to do. I have sat in on a session where senior health professionals were debating the issue of paternity fraud and their obligations under their oaths: they are not themselves convinced of which way is the better 'right' but they have an over-riding sense that someone coming for medical assistance should not, if at all possible, be worse off for seeking that assistance.

OK, lets get a lynch mob from London onto those bastards who are aware of, and cover up paternity fraud in the name of "science" - they sound like a bunch of nazi's to me. I hoe those bastards get a taste of their own medicines.

Lynch mobs? People covering up paternity fraud? What are you on, Richard.

We don't need more violence on our streets, thank you.

The main people covering up paternity fraud are the mother and her lover. Never lose sight of that.

[Richard]

Douglas, the post had within this:

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A graduate research document reports that "geneticists and genetic counselors most often do not tell the husband of the finding of non-paternity, in order to protect the family unit" when they discover paternity fraud during routine tests for genetic diseases. "

So I beleve I have read the post write when I say that such information is consciously and purposefully withheld from the father.

As regards violence, well, it has its place in history, The "London" riots brought the absent father issue into the media spotlight more than anything since F4J. While I do not advocate violence, civil disobiedance has have its role in historical change, from american independance to F4J.

I just coresponded with firends in Poland - first they were shocked that in the west medical records are confidential - even from the patient - and that a doctor could withhold such a thing as the paternity. Indeed, such information has life chaning effects - a cockhold man would have to bring up someone on totally flase grounds. One guy from Poland said if he found out that a doctor has consciously decived him in this way he would "throw him out of the window". I guess men are still men in central europe, while in the UK, they are too scared of being a man?

[Daylight]

Shaazam and Richard,

The whole thing of non-disclosure of non-paternity smells misandry.

Douglas,

Being "economical with the truth" is a harsh phrase, since it is most often used on those who are lying, if only by omission. If you ask a medical professional to tell you whether you are the genetic ancestor of someone, they should either say that they will not tell you, or tell you. That's not lying, it is having concern from a medical practitioner's viewpoint for the well-being of people.

The prior research uses stronger terms as shown in the following quotes from this thesis titled "Non-paternity in Canada" by Paul Millar (emphasis may be added):

De facto medical practice around the disclosure of non-paternity is then consistent and universal: physicians (and geneticists) will go to almost any length to prevent a man from knowing that his children were conceived by another." pg 61

The origin of harm associated with non-paternity does not arise so much from the method in which the child in question was conceived or born. Rather, harms associated with non-paternity arise from the concealment of non-paternity and the necessary deceit and fraud involved in maintaining this concealment pg 61

In the case of non-paternity, there are possibly three people being lied to or deceived: the presumed father, the biological father and the child. The deceiver is the mother, but also in many cases, a physician, who may perform the deception directly or be a keeper of the secret. pg 68

Medical policy, unlike legal policy, is currently unanimous and consistent: a finding of non-paternity is concealed from the non-biological father. This policy is accomplished by procedure; such as counseling women not to proceed with genetic testing if non-paternity is an issue; by non-disclosure when found and, failing that; by lying or deception. pg 70
Medical policy is organized around preventing disclosure of non-paternity. This raises ethical issues derived from physicians participating in, and aiding and benefiting from, deceit. pg 76-77


The challenge offered by non-paternity is not how to ignore the information that this new technology brings, but rather to consider how it may be used to children’s benefit.
pg 78

Men should target the medical policy to change it so as to organize policy around mandating disclosure of non-paternity.

[Marx]

Ultimately, we're designed to pass on our genes - that is the base purposes for our existence. This is true for men & women alike.


Given this, men have every single possible right to know the facts and the truth.

[Daylight]

The video sums it up.

Interestingly, when women are suspicious of the outcome of the forthcoming paternity test results, they call the testing centre, according to the above video. When combined with the 'keeping the family intact' parrotics, would you 100% be certain that a genetics lab will report to a man the truth about his non-paternity when a woman has already contacted the centre behind his back?

[AntZ]

In New York, Great Britain, and many other European nations, it is already illegal for fathers to test paternity. Things are moving backwards. Feminists are using their control of the court system, political system, and public institutions to guarantee that their misdeeds can never be discovered. The more feminist a state or nation is, the more likely it is that paternity testing will be illegal.

[Celtic Druid]

In its literature review, the report cites a survey that found 96% of the genetics professionals will not inform the men victim of paternity fraud, but rather inform the women perpetrator of paternity fraud.

This is yet another link in the chain of deceit that cuckolded men face. Who can be trusted to tell men the truth if so many parties have vested interests in withholding it? DIY paternity kits are certainly a cheap means of allaying such fears.

[Douglas]

In New York, Great Britain, and many other European nations, it is already illegal for fathers to test paternity. Things are moving backwards. Feminists are using their control of the court system, political system, and public institutions to guarantee that their misdeeds can never be discovered. The more feminist a state or nation is, the more likely it is that paternity testing will be illegal.

I have not been aware of that. Could you state the law or other reference that makes paternity testing illegal in the UK (and elsewhere) please.

[paul parmenter]

I don't want to move too far off topic, but there is a related batch of problems that arise from paternity fraud: the way that we are misled about our ancestry.

In the UK at the moment we seem to have a particular interest in genealogy, encouraged by various businesses that of course are out to make money from our curiosity about our past. And the universal assumption is that every man whose name appears in our family tree as a husband and father, is the biological dad of the offspring listed on the official register.

But how true is that?

The reality is that none of us, absolutely none of us, not even the British royal family, can be sure that the long list of people named in our family trees are in fact related to us at all. And the further we go back, the greater the likelihood that we are looking at a list of complete strangers who have nothing to do with us. About the only certainty we have is of the direct female line. It is pretty likely that the person named as your mother, your mother's mother, her mother, etc, are the right people. But even then, it has not been unknown for sisters or aunts to take over as surrogate mothers from the biological mother and to keep that a secret from the child, so even that record cannot be trusted totally. And of course as soon as you are misled abut just one single branch of your family tree, then the whole previous history coming out of that branch, is a tissue of lies.

So I am afraid that female deception and untrustworthiness makes a mockery of genealogy and all our supposed personal family histories. Modern medical science is our only chance of establishing our true identities for the future, because the past is hopelessly lost to us. And it seems we are still an awfully long way from getting the truth to prevail for the future, since there are so many vested interests trying to keep us mired in ignorance. It is a tough fight for us to find out who we really are, and it may not be any easier for our children. Assuming we know who our children really are...

[Marx]

I did a quick google search for information on DNA swabs and found a related forum for 'netmums' which was talking about the £30 DNA kits available... I've spoken about this on feminist forums and they are heavily against this, demanding laws to stop men obtaining his child's DNA without the mother consent and suchlike. However, I was positively happy to see the words of NORMAL WOMEN regarding this.

Fathers to get £30 DNA paternity test over the counter

If it is 99.9 successful , then I for one think it is a good idea, how many fathers are out there being taking for a ride ?

I know one person who is 23 now, and she beleives her dad is her dad, but he isnt... that is sooooooooooooooooooooo wrong.. these things have a habit of coming out... I would never say anything to her, but her mother should. ever child has the right to know who there real father is , and a father should know if there children are there children...

As far as I am concerned there are NO excuses for making a man think they are a father when they are NOT, its cruel and heatless

Michelle

Well fathers have the right to know if that child is truly their or not... and if they have reason to believe they might not be.,.. why not?

Absolutely agree with you! I imagine a fair few women are pooing bricks reading about this new invention.

Women who trick men into being dads when they know full well they aren't, or haven't a clue who the father is make me SICK!

Its one thing not knowing who the father is but to lie and make the 'chosen one' the father is dispicable. This might not be the right way to go about it but it might make a few of them bloody think about it, if its easier for the man to obtain a DNA test. It might be wrong for the ones that are already here, but it might stop a few cases happening in the future.

At the end of the day if a mother has named you as the father then you should have the legal right to prove that. I dont think you should have to ask her permission. Obviously it would need backing up with an official test if you decide that you can not support a child that is not yours. Its not men taking these tests that will cause children damage. Its women lying to these men and their children that will do that.

One woman suggested that a mother's permission should be sought in such cases. Another replied:

I disagree that both parties should have to consent because there are some evil witches out there who would never in a month of Sundays do that. Where does that leave the 'father'? Where does that leave the child should a medical reason to know present itself?

The suspicion is there in the first place for a man to even consider taking this test.

Women shouldn't be telling lies to their partners about their children's paternity. Men have a right to know if the child they have been told is theirs, is theirs.

They should not blame the DNA tests for a 'culture of suspicion' and rejected children - but instead look to the mother's scruples in cheating, telling such lies and misleading their partners.

Precisely. A DNA test cannot be held responsible for suspicions. Its the mothers who do it. Its not always women with partners either. It is those who sleep about and have no idea who the father is, and so pick the one who would be most financially beneficial.

I wish people would stop protecting so many 'rights' of the mother in cases like this, and begin to think about the rights of the children and the 'fathers'.

They say there may be as many as 1 per every class room who is being brought up by the the wrong man, unknowingly so. Doesnt seem many when you think thats only 6 per primary school, but then add up all the primary schools and add up all the secondary classes per secondary school, and then all the schools still on the 3 tier system and that amounts to a shocking figure

I think it's a good idea.

there will be a lot of guys out there who have concerns they aren't the dad.Doing it this way means more can have tests done and don't have to gain consent from their current or previous partner.

It's too damaging to not know in my opinion.

Yes there may be times when it causes problems but in reality what do you expect when you've lied to a man about him being a father?

Picking up on Anitas comment that many children grow up with lies then find out when older and lives are ruined -well the mothers should have told the truth in the first place!Hopefully this will prevent some of that happening

I just wanted to post this transcript to show guys here that normal, sane & rational women are FINE with father's performing DNA tests precisely because these women know that men are humans too and we should have the right to know our ancestry. They know they haven't done wrong and have nothing to fear.

Now compare this NON-feminist website (quoted above) with the average feminist website where they push that fathers should have no rights to obtain DNA evidence of paternity - and what does it say about feminism?

1) They care not for the child's health (medical history of father affecting medical future of child)
2) They care not for men having the basic peace of mind to know they have sired a child
3) They care not for men to have right to something so simple and easily obtainable
4) They care not for the child's right to know their true parents
5) They seem defensive about it to such an extent, it raises questions about their own children's fathers (are their children really fathered by whom they have claimed?)
6) And much, much more.


We can see clearly by comparing non-feminist women with pro-feminist women that feminists have something to hide, want to blame the men for it and don't want men or children to stand in their way while normal women are holding women responsible for their own actions - unlike feminists.

Added after 41 minutes:

I have not been aware of that. Could you state the law or other reference that makes paternity testing illegal in the UK (and elsewhere) please.

It is illegal in Britain to take DNA from an adult without consent. But it is legal to take a swab from those under 16 as long as consent is obtained from a guardian. That would allow a father to test whether he is a child's biological parent without the mother's knowledge.

Correction - That would allow a named-father with full parental rights to test whether he is a child's biological parent without the mother's knowledge.

Read more: Fathers to get £30 DNA paternity test over the counter (although it will cost you £119 to get the results back) | Mail Online

[Douglas]

Fathers to get £30 DNA paternity test over the counter (although it will cost you £119 to get the results back).

£419 (US$690) for eternal peace of mind? What man or woman would not pay that? It's nothing compared to the overall costs of a new baby:

• "Raising a baby can cost more than £9,000 a year."
• "When I went through [the costs of a baby] I found that the first year cost will be around $8500."
• "Average weekly cost: £417.40"
• "Estimates of how much it costs to bring up a child in the first 18 years range from £80,000 for just one youngster to over £130,000 for a typical family with two children."
• "Parents 'spend £5,000 on newborn baby before its first birthday'"

Let us not forget that while 1 in 7 of us misname our genetic father, something like 1 in 10,000 of us even misname our genetic mother! I'll bet most women would happily pay £419 to be sure the baby they come back from hospital with is really the baby they delivered while in hospital, even though the chance is so much more remote.

[Xxavier]

Paternity testing and information should be a major campaign area for the Men's Rights movement. At present a married female faces little risk of mating outside of the family unit, this is not the case for a married male. Health professionals informing the mother but not the father of false paternity is reprehensible, this should be the first target of a campaign. It is openly stated sexual discrimination to start with and a mine field of other ethical indiscretions.

The family unit break up notion is canard and is a simplistic utilitarian argument. There are some things that are simply plain wrong regardless of their utilitarian value, and not informing a father and child of the true paternity information is one of them. To deceive a man into bringing up a child who is not his own is despicable to level that is incomprehensible, as is not informing the child and genetic father of the truth.

By making paternity information more readily available it will reduce the chances of false paternity occurring and enable more children and their fathers to be together. It will force women to be responsible for their actions and in effect be stronger protection for family unit.

But simply put, if we don't make a fuss about it then nothing will happen. The more men are made aware of this the more will sign onto the cause. Paternity law period, is a complete mess for men.