Women "lie, cheat and steal"

**ACLAF** · 22nd-July-2007

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Women "lie, cheat and steal"

8/12/2004

HALF of all women would lie to their husbands or partners to keep their relationship going if they became pregnant by another man, a survey said today.

Figures showed one woman in two would not tell her man that the baby she was carrying was not his - if she wanted to stay with him.

They also said four out of ten (42%) would lie about contraception in order to get pregnant, in spite of the wishes of their partner.

The new survey of women's attitudes to truth, relationships, and behaviour, said the overwhelming majority (96%) admit to lying.

Almost half (45%) of the 5,000 questioned told the researchers for That's Life! magazine they tell "little white lies" most days.

The favourite fib told by women was "Of course you don't look fat" with "These shoes were only '10" in second place.

One bizarre finding was that a third of women (33%) said they would stay with their husband if they found out he was a "secret transvestite", but only half that number (17%) would put up with him if he refused to wash.

The National Scruples and Lies Survey 2004 also found plenty of porkies were told over the Christmas period.

Eight in ten (78%) would pass off a second-hand gift as a brand new present, while 50% have claimed a festive card was "lost in the post".
Feelings

Jo Checkley, editor of That's Life! magazine, said: "Modern women just can't stop lying, but they do it to stop hurting other people's feelings.

"It could be argued that these little white lies simply make the world go round a little more smoothly.

"But to tell a man a baby is his when it's not or to deliberately get pregnant when your partner doesn't want a baby is playing Russian roulette with other people's lives."

Eight out of ten women (83%) admit to telling "big, life-changing lies", with 13% saying they do so frequently.

Partners (70%) are most likely to be lied to by women, with friends (65%), parents (64%), customers and clients (58%) and bosses (57%) also being deceived.

Women will also lie to save people's feelings, with only 27% saying they would tell a man if he was hopeless in bed (although 36% would tell their friends all about it).

Meanwhile 54% would flatter a man if he asked them about his looks and only 46% would give the "brutal truth".

Despite this, most women (61%) want their partners to be "brutally honest" if they ask them "Do I look fat?" or "Do you think my best friend's attractive?"

Elsewhere the survey showed women's sweet teeth could often override their honesty, with more than half (54%) admitting to stealing sweets or chocolates.

Six out of ten (57%) admitted to stealing something, while one in four had taken from their parents. A quarter (23%) would "sneak a bottle or two" home if they were invited to a party by a well-off friend.

Half (49%) would "kiss and tell" to the media for '25,000 if they had a one-night stand with a celebrity, and 38% say they would marry purely for money. 23% would allow their man to sleep with another woman for '50,000.

Meanwhile, some 79% have got drunk at the office Christmas party, while a third admit to "getting off with someone they don't fancy" and 5% have ended up having sex with the boss.

An alarming 31% of all women say they would not tell a future partner if they had a sexual disease. This rises for 65% for single women.
Sex

Nearly half (46%) fake orgasms and more than half (55%) claim they are tired, have a headache, or feel ill to "get out of lovemaking".

A fifth of women with a long-term partner (19%) say they have cheated on him by having an affair, while 30% of all women have had an affair with a married man.

Most women (68%) do not trust their partner.

Members of the Royal Family come behind showbiz stars in terms of their integrity as far as many of those questioned are concerned.

The Queen comes only fourth in a list of famous women with "the most honest face", behind This Morning presenter Fern Britton in first, singer Kerry Katona (formerly McFadden), and even The X Factor's Sharon Osbourne.

The "most honest male face" was jointly allocated to Ant and Dec, presenters of I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here!, with Prince William beaten into second.

* The survey questioned 5,000 women, average age 38, across England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland.

**Marx** · 22nd-July-2007

Yes, I recall this one well. In another paper, it had the headline "96% of women are liars" LoL

**Percy** · 23rd-July-2007

"Modern women just can't stop lying, but they do it to stop hurting other people's feelings.

So says Jo Checkley, editor of That's Life! magazine, lying yet again as if to prove her point.

People lie for only two reasons.

1. To gain power.

2. To avoid consequence.

By claiming that women lie to stop others' feelings being hurt she perpetuates another lie.

Here's a stat she didn't include: Its said by 100% of women.

It is risable to say that a woman lying about a baby that isn't her husband's but is the result of her own infidelity, a breaking of her sacred vows, is saving his feelings. She has already disregarded and sidelined his feelings.

They also said four out of ten (42%) would lie about contraception in order to get pregnant, in spite of the wishes of their partner.

To spare his feelings?? Is she friggin' stupid, or does she think her readers are?

they tell "little white lies" most days

'Little white lies' is a phrase that diminishes lies. It is a lie in itself.

If there is any 'truth' in the excuses the women give about 'feelings' it would be a transitive. That is, men seem to go along with women's lies to keep the peace.

Here is a beaut:

Women will also lie to save people's feelings, with only 27% saying they would tell a man if he was hopeless in bed (although 36% would tell their friends all about it).

Gleefully telling friends about one's sexual partner's percieved inadequacies is emotional betrayal. How does that 'save people's feelings'? What a load of crap. It is the RAPE of a man's feelings.

If men were as open about their wife/girlfriend's sexual performance they would be telling everyone they met that she was a lousy lay. Let's face it, most are.

That's no lie. White, purple, green, red or black.

**myce** · 23rd-July-2007

Quote from Percy

'Little white lies' is a phrase that diminishes lies. It is a lie in itself.

I think such lies are socially expected. It is my understanding that the definition of a "white" lie is one that is meant to spare someone's feelings. Example: you go to a have dinner with a friend who is not such a great cook. The host asks you how the food tastes and you lie so s/he won't be embarrassed and feel bad. Do you believe that such lies are wrong?

I don't understand what you mean by this:

If there is any 'truth' in the excuses the women give about 'feelings' it would be a transitive. That is, men seem to go along with women's lies to keep the peace.

**Percy** · 23rd-July-2007

I don't understand what you mean by this:

Women lie to spare their own feelings.

The example you give shows this.

The host asks you how the food tastes and you lie so s/he won't be embarrassed and feel bad. Do you believe that such lies are wrong?

Of course it is wrong. It is a lie. Can you not find a way to either tell the truth in a paletable way or at the very least withold the truth? How is the 'host's' culinary accopmplishments to improve to some adequate level if she isn't made aware that the food is shit?

In reality - think about it - you don't want to feel responsible for embarassing her. That is very different from her feeling bad. It is evading the consequences. You don't want the consequence of her possibly feeling bad and blaming you and chucking the plate at your head. Find a better way. Lying helps no-one.

If The host asks you how the food tastes, perhaps look at her incredulously and ask, "After all the years of me tasting your cooking, do you really need to ask me that"? OK, maybe smile sweetly instead of looking incredulously.

**Yan Yan** · 23rd-July-2007

Is she friggin' stupid, or does she think her readers are?

Yes, Percy, I know it was a rhetorical question but there is an answer - Both!

"The Emperor's New Clothes" or what?

In the wonderland of wimminthink, the truth is eactly what she wants it to be; no more and no less.

(apologies to the spirit of Lewis Carrol - strange that he chose the young and beautiful Alice to be the voice of sanity and reason. Perhaps he really was in love with her?)

**bachelor tom** · 23rd-July-2007

Women tell the truth to suit their own purposes, usually to please or persuade someone important to them. I've seen too many females who can lie as easily as breathing. I wonder if they can even be honest with themselves [generalizing, there are always exceptions to these kinds of observations]

**Yan Yan** · 23rd-July-2007

Quote from bachelor tom

Women tell the truth to suit their own purposes, usually to please or persuade someone important to them. I've seen too many females who can lie as easily as breathing. I wonder if they can even be honest with themselves [generalizing, there are always exceptions to these kinds of observations]

So when we come to know and understand what's really going on, what do we do next?

First and foremost, explain to our brothers, as best we can, in terms that they might understand. Concentrate on the young, since they have the most to lose.

Second, secure your own future. Strive for true independence. Men in jail, or castrated by alimony/child support do not feel powerful - they feel like victims. Their experience should be a warning. Relate their stories - in the bar or around the campfire - whatever. Big Government lives in dread of independent men without debt to the State.

Third, "put not your trust in Princes". Don't get embroiled in Republican/Democrat or Labour/Conservative/Liberal politics. They are vampires that need your blood to survive. When brother fights brother over petty differences, the tyrants quietly smile.

Fourth and last; be proud to be male. All that guilt and obligation that you might feel is a social construct (the feminists coined that phrase).

Karl Marx (not our respected Admin, the other Russian one) said, "Men are born free but are everywhere in chains". How very true!

The personal and the political are never far apart.

**IronLady** · 23rd-July-2007

Quote from bachelor tom

Women tell the truth to suit their own purposes, usually to please or persuade someone important to them. I've seen too many females who can lie as easily as breathing. I wonder if they can even be honest with themselves [generalizing, there are always exceptions to these kinds of observations]

I know some don't like when religion is brought into discussions, but allow me to point one thing out and then I'll shut up about religion.

I have found that much of the problem between the genders has its roots in the Book of Genesis.

In Genesis, the first recorded lie in Biblical history is said by Eve. The serpent says to her, "Yea, did God say you should not eat the fruit?" And Eve replies, "He said we should not eat it, or even touch it." (God didn't say not to touch it, He only said not to eat it.)

Not sure what that means exactly, but I wonder if it has any bearing on the idea that (many? most?) women lie without a conscience (or seem to)?

**myce** · 23rd-July-2007

That's a stretch, Annette. There is no record of God saying anything at all about the tree to Eve, unless you are reading some version of Genesis other than the one I am reading. He told Adam not to eat the fruit. Eve had not yet been created! So we don't know what Eve had been told about the tree. Secondly, if a lie is a sin then how would it have been possible for Eve to sin prior to eating the fruit?

**IronLady** · 24th-July-2007

Good points! But it still stands that God did not say not to touch it (I don't know how one could eat fruit without touching it, but anyway...) She added that requirement when God only said not to EAT it.

I used to wonder if anyone else ever noticed that, and one day I was reading a rabbinical commentary on Genesis and they pointed it out too.

**FFFF** · 24th-July-2007

The problem with the truth and women is that women cant handle the truth, even if they did find a way of actually recognising what it was..

Women tend to answer questions according to what they believe is the "correct" answer to get what they want in the situation..

Men dont tend to do this as much, but when women are asking the questions, men are foolish if they tell the truth in many cases because women react badly and in the short term (which is all women ever think of anyway) they are better off creating a believable sounding lie..

Men, of course, create a situation for women where the female is actually not too badly affected by being honest..

So, there is less incentive for women to actually lie.

But, when they fear the truth coming out will have a bad effect, they evade it of course..

**KellyMac** · 24th-July-2007

Ok, Just skimmed the first post. Am sick to my stomach.

**IronLady** · 24th-July-2007

Quote from Drex

The problem with the truth and women is that women cant handle the truth, even if they did find a way of actually recognising what it was..

Women tend to answer questions according to what they believe is the "correct" answer to get what they want in the situation..

Men dont tend to do this as much, but when women are asking the questions, men are foolish if they tell the truth in many cases because women react badly and in the short term (which is all women ever think of anyway) they are better off creating a believable sounding lie..

Men, of course, create a situation for women where the female is actually not too badly affected by being honest..

So, there is less incentive for women to actually lie.

But, when they fear the truth coming out will have a bad effect, they evade it of course..

I've noticed this too. With the few females I futilely tried being friends with, they would sometimes ask me a question, and dumb as I am, I assumed they wanted the truth, so I gave it to them. NOT a good thing to do!

But you know what? Once a female friend saw it for the value in it...she had asked me if this new skirt she bought made her look heavy, and I told the truth, I said yes it did (had horizontal stripes--eek!) Anyway, she got immediately quiet and refused to talk to me. I was confused because I thought she wanted the truth. My husband later said, NO, NEVER say the truth, say it looks fine. But if I do that, its not the truth and I do not lie, even white lies (which makes me a tactless person but so be it.)

Two weeks later, she called me up and said that she was really angry at me for saying what I did, but that she realized that at least with me, she knows where she really stands...that another female would have said she looked fine, and then talked about her behind her back.

What I do not understand is, WHY do women ask a question if they don't want the real answer? My male friends always tell me the truth, sometimes very frankly, and I appreciate it. I do the same with them. I don't like having to play mind games with people, I want directness and straightforwardness (s that a word??)

**Marx** · 24th-July-2007

Ta-Daa - this is question on everyman's mind! Why? Why do you anticipate us to lie to save your "feeeeeeelings"? What is more important to you, honesty & integrity where you can huff for 10minutes and get over it, or being lied to, deceived, misinformed and then gossiped about?!? C'mon, surely it's not a difficult choice!