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    Women knocking Feminists


    Women journalists are in a far better position to criticise Feminism than men journos. Editors do not allow men to criticise women or feminists for fear of being hauled before a Tribunal and paying a huge fine.

    But women journalists can claim the world is flat, God is an Arab, Stalin was a scourge on humanity and science is no substitute for women's intuition, and get away with a pay rise.

    So here is a woman Journo having a go at Feminists (well, some).

    From The Sunday Times


    March 14, 2010


    What women want is an end to hectoring by feminists





    Minette Marrin


    Women beware wimmin. International Women’s Day rolled around once again for the 99th time last week and many of the usual alpha females came out to celebrate.

    Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama had an awkward little womanly moment together in the White House, although most Americans ignore the day. Harriet Harman took the opportunity to remind us how few women there are in British boardrooms. Her intrusive Equality Bill, which encourages discrimination against men in the workplace, was going through its final stages in the Commons last week.

    It is true, of course, that there has been a lot for women to celebrate in the past century and we have the courage and persistence of earlier generations of feminist women to thank for that. (P. Do we really !) But somewhere along the way feminism in this country has turned into something many women cannot identify with. I can’t.

    Harman, along with other prominent alpha females, expresses a kind of feminism that is so far divorced from what most women think and want that she might as well belong to another sex. Alpha females seem closer to the alpha male than to the ordinary woman in gender.

    Harman’s thinking, like the feminist orthodoxy in the government, is based on the following assumptions, which have always seemed quite wrong to me.

    First, that all women want to work (for money, outside the home).

    Second, that all women, including mothers, ought to work. (P. Yes, well Simone de Bouvoir, a feminist goddess, said so before you were born. Did you never study?)

    Third, that all women want to do and are equally suited to doing the same work as men. (P. Except the dirty, dangerous, wet and smelly for which men, of course, are ideally suited !!)

    Fourth, that if the number of women working in an organisation is less than 50% of the total, that is in itself evidence that women are being unjustly discriminated against. (P. Like the scandalous and oppressive denial of all the wet, smelly, dirty and dangerous jobs which men, of course, are preventing women from accessing.)

    Fifth, that motherhood is a problem that makes it difficult for women to work.

    Sixth, that the problem of motherhood can easily be fixed by paid childcare, subsidised if necessary by the state.

    Seventh, that what all mothers want above all is “affordable childcare” to enable them to work: children don’t need much of their attention.

    And finally, that it is for the state to sort out all such family matters.

    This is the 1970s mindset of Harman and of many alpha females in high places; this is how women like them feel and talk.

    That’s how alpha females behave. They push out babies along with policy papers and tour the interview circuit proudly bearing breast pumps.

    One prominent headmistress went back to work only a few hours after giving birth to her third child last month, commenting that this would show her schoolgirls what woman is capable of. (P. Showing quite clearly that women do NOT need paid maternity leave for 6 months or a year)

    It struck me as irresponsible; pregnancy and childbirth usually involve extreme hormonal upheavals and physical demands, even when all is well. It’s not for nothing that for the first few weeks after childbirth women have not been held responsible for their actions in law because they are often not themselves, so to speak. (P. But under feminism they are not resonsible at all for anything when a man can be blamed)

    That’s to say nothing of the psychological needs of mother, baby and other children or of the developmental and emotional needs of children after the first few months. Are these needs really best left to childminders and crèches? Most women don’t think so.

    The latest alpha female planning to combine full-time work — very long hours and a constituency — with producing a baby is Joanne Cash, the prospective Tory parliamentary candidate for Westminster.

    If she gets into parliament, her first baby will be born only weeks after she takes her seat this summer.

    I suspect that most mothers, remembering the arrival of their own babies, will regard this as daft. Even if things go smoothly, the demands of motherhood are such that Cash will be forced either to neglect the baby or to neglect the job. Cash is taking the approved Tory line — it’s not restricted to the left.

    There is nothing new about alpha females giving their babies over to other people to look after; that has always been the price of great success, and successful women have taken it for granted. With the best of expensive childcare, it seems to work well.

    However, I have come to feel strongly that it isn’t what most women want. I did hand my own first baby over to a full-time nanny so I could go back to a job in television with foreign travel. But before long I realised, like countless women, that what I most wanted was to be with my baby and work part-time from home, which I’ve done ever since.

    We all tend to generalise from our own experiences: if Harman has, so have I (but then, I’m not in a position to impose mine by statute). At last there is some good evidence about what women really do feel about all this. Professor Geoff Dench of the Young Foundation has just finished a series of presentations for the Centre for Policy Studies and the Hera Trust based on evidence from the British Social Attitudes surveys since 1983, to be published tomorrow as What Women Want. In his survey of women’s attitudes, one of his conclusions is that the sisterhood is failing mothers. (P. Not to mention men and children, but then no bugger mentions them)

    Apart from married middle-class women in full-time work, most women would prefer to look after their children and work only part-time if possible. Most women value home and family life above a career — hardly surprisingly, since few women are offered careers and most must content themselves with jobs — (P. Just like men) and, he argues, women with these domestic priorities feel increasingly that the femocracy of career women in power doesn’t speak for them.

    This is a bold inference. It’s drawn from the withdrawal of women from political parties, as expressed in the BSA surveys. Men have been increasingly losing interest in political parties over the past 20 years, but the process has been much faster among women and above all among mothers.

    It is the Labour party that appears to have lost most support from mothers; support for Labour among working-age, working-class housewives went down from 52% in 1986 to 27% in 2008.

    That doesn’t mean they’ve deserted to the Conservatives; the trend is towards “no party” disaffection. It is surely time, now, that women in politics started thinking about what women want, which is what is best for their babies and children. (P. HEY ! What about friggin' MEN? )

    I suspect it would actually be cheaper and better for government to enable women to look after their own children and families, if they want to, rather than nudging and driving them back into work. But it’s difficult for alpha females to understand such an unliberated desire. Women beware wimmin.

    minette.marrin@sunday-times.co.uk

    Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum
    Love the Sinner but not the Sin.
    (St. Augustine)

    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
    against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. “
    (and within ourselves)
    (Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)

    A Feminist is a human being who has lost her way and turned vicious.
    If you meet one on the road as you Go your Own Way,
    offer kindness but keep your sword drawn.
    (Me)





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    Re: Women knocking Feminists

    Second, that all women, including mothers, ought to work.
    Not all women ought to work.

    Only women who are single parents because they shouldn't live off the state and all women who are divorced because men should not have to pay alimony.

    Since no-one can know which women will divorce or be divorced, how can you tell which women should work and which women shouldn't?

    I am bringing this up as part of a discussion. I am not against stay-at-home mothers.
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    Re: Women knocking Feminists

    I am not against stay-at-home mums either, Jools, or stay-at-home dads. In fact I am quite happy for people to make whatever arrangements they deem fit - (even sodomites living in faecal-sticky harmony together) just so long as the most obvious and successful arrangement - married with children - is not villified, demeaned and treated as though it were some male plot to subjugate women when it is obvious to Blind Freddy that a man has to take on the yoke of slavery for it to work. But that is his choice.

    Just so long as adults make such arrangements that they can support themselves and not be a drain on other people's wallets, beyond that needed to have and contribute to a functioning society, then Feminists, Socialists, social engineers of all iks, can get funct.

    Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum
    Love the Sinner but not the Sin.
    (St. Augustine)

    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
    against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. “
    (and within ourselves)
    (Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)

    A Feminist is a human being who has lost her way and turned vicious.
    If you meet one on the road as you Go your Own Way,
    offer kindness but keep your sword drawn.
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    Re: Women knocking Feminists

    It is true, of course, that there has been a lot for women to celebrate in the past century and we have the courage and persistence of earlier generations of feminist women to thank for that. (P. Do we really !)
    This gets me every time, I'm smiling as I write this it's so ridiculous. When positive changes are made for women by the people in charge, it's women that have to be thanked, yet when there is an economic crisis, made by the very same people in charge, it's, oh what did Harriet call it again?, oh yes, a testosterone-fuelled economic crisis, so when it's positive, it's feminists to be thanked, when it goes tits up, it's mostly men in charge, so it's their fault.
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    Re: Women knocking Feminists

    Another tiresome - and tiresomely WRONG - assumption by Marrin is that feminism started off as some kind of perfect movement born out of a desire for justice and fairness to all. But it then somehow, somewhere got "hijacked" or perverted along the way and turned into the screeching, spiteful, hypocritical, male-bashing hate movement that stares us in the face and boots us in the genitals at every turn today.

    But nobody who subscribes to this bunkum - including obviously Marrin - can ever tell us exactly when, where and by whom the sweet innocence of the movement got hijacked and perverted. It somehow just "happened" while everybody's back was turned. Or maybe it just transmorphed gradually without anyone noticing.

    Total bullshit.

    Feminism has been consistent from the day it first reared its ugly head; which was a very long time ago. It has not changed at all; it was always how it is today - it has just become more powerful and got its way. It has forced itself into all our lives, which is why so many of us are now fully aware of its true - and UNCHANGING - nature.

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    Not all women ought to work.

    Only women who are single parents because they shouldn't live off the state and all women who are divorced because men should not have to pay alimony.

    Since no-one can know which women will divorce or be divorced, how can you tell which women should work and which women shouldn't?

    I am bringing this up as part of a discussion. I am not against stay-at-home mothers.
    All people ought to do whatever the hell they want. What's important is that everyone takes personal responsibility for their own choices. A woman's choice to work or not work, have kids or not have kids etc. etc. should be her own responsibility and not a public burden.
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    it is the wimyn in the West that whine abut their exalted lot in a scenario where men have deliverd luxuries and advantage on a silver platter;

    one can never please a spoilt brat cause the see their last shoehorned advantage merely as a platform to demand more

    their cavernous maw can never be filled

    so why bother

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    Quote Quote from paul parmenter View Post
    Another tiresome - and tiresomely WRONG - assumption by Marrin is that feminism started off as some kind of perfect movement born out of a desire for justice and fairness to all. But it then somehow, somewhere got "hijacked" or perverted along the way and turned into the screeching, spiteful, hypocritical, male-bashing hate movement that stares us in the face and boots us in the genitals at every turn today.

    But nobody who subscribes to this bunkum - including obviously Marrin - can ever tell us exactly when, where and by whom the sweet innocence of the movement got hijacked and perverted. It somehow just "happened" while everybody's back was turned. Or maybe it just transmorphed gradually without anyone noticing.

    Total bullshit.

    Feminism has been consistent from the day it first reared its ugly head; which was a very long time ago. It has not changed at all; it was always how it is today - it has just become more powerful and got its way. It has forced itself into all our lives, which is why so many of us are now fully aware of its true - and UNCHANGING - nature.
    Well, it's complete bullshit, like everything done after WW2. lol


 

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