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    Re: Women DON'T have a higher pain threshold than men and don't get the right treatme

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    Oddly, I don't recall anyone suggesting men might need specialized treatment because we apparently couldn't handle pain as well as women...

    So... when science perceives women as stronger, it is something to gloat about. When science perceives men as stronger, it is something that must be addressed to help women deal with it better. Righty, just had to clarify that.
    Reminds me of an article which mentioned the fact that a significant proportion of those with gambling addictions are now female, and how, all of a sudden, gambling addiction is viewed as some sort of disease, and how there's suddenly been talk of offering addicts counselling etc etc; all since WOMEN have come into their own as gambling addicts, of course.

    Seems that women either have to be seen as being the empowered ones on top; or, if it's impossible to convey an image of women being on top, then they must be portrayed as being the OPPRESSED, poor little darlings on the bottom. Women are either the victorious, or the oppressed; when it comes to ANYTHING. Women above men in a certain area? Hahaha, girl power! You go, girl! Women are soooo great! Women BELOW men in a certain area? Oh, the evil patriarchy! Oppression! Sexism! Chauvinism!

    Selective reasoning at its most finest, indeed.....

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    It has always been assumed that women's bodies give them a higher pain threshold than men, to help them cope with the agony of childbirth.
    I've never understood this argument; since I first heard it, I've not seen any logic in it. Just because women experience childbirth, why should that mean that they are better at dealing with pain? The logic just doesn't follow, in my mind. Besides, males get attacked more, and generally get into more fights, than do women; so what about the implications towards pain tolerance there, then?

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    Re: Women DON'T have a higher pain threshold than men and don't get the right treatme

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    I've never understood this argument; since I first heard it, I've not seen any logic in it. Just because women experience childbirth, why should that mean that they are better at dealing with pain? The logic just doesn't follow, in my mind. Besides, males get attacked more, and generally get into more fights, than do women; so what about the implications towards pain tolerance there, then?

    Feckless: Thanks for including my links.
    Your welcome....good links.

    Childbirth is really nasty. And one can only wonder how much drugs your own body can produce (my wife went from "cut my belly open and get it out" to "that wasnīt so bad" in a minute). Maybe one assumes that woman can produce more drugs (adrenalin?) when they are in pain? But then again. The female body is built for pregnancy.
    The men's and fathers' movement needs to make sure it never sees females as the enemy,
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    Re: Women DON'T have a higher pain threshold than men and don't get the right treatme

    I sincerely doubt that women have a higher tolerance for pain than do men. The whole "idea" that just because women give birth somehow makes them stronger is nonsense. I also find it ridiculous to assume that just because women's bodies are built for pregnancy means that the pain they experience during childbirth is somehow tolerable because it's "natural." There's nothing "natural feeling" about having something the size of a watermelon go through a bodily opening that is dilated to 10 cm or less.
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    Re: Women DON'T have a higher pain threshold than men and don't get the right treatme

    (This was not my opinion I just gave my thoughts on why people might believe women have a higher pain treshold...just sayin)
    The men's and fathers' movement needs to make sure it never sees females as the enemy,
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    Re: Women DON'T have a higher pain threshold than men and don't get the right treatme

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    (This was not my opinion I just gave my thoughts on why people might believe women have a higher pain treshold...just sayin)
    I know, Feckless...I'm just sayin'.....

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    Re: Women DON'T have a higher pain threshold than men and don't get the right treatme

    All that pain and suffering at childbirth can be taken with a pinch of salt as well.

    Caesarean births have increased dramatically over the last thirty years..
    Women are given a breathing mask containing antithetic while they are waiting to give birth..
    Most births are now assisted with an epidural, utilising a general painkiller that removes all pain during childbirth below the waist including contractions..

    So it's just a load of crock..

    I have heard women explain that their child was born within ten minutes after reaching hospital, no pain and easy delivery..

    Like I said, load of crock..

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    Re: Women DON'T have a higher pain threshold than men and don't get the right treatme

    Huh? A lot of mothers (as far as I know) here in Germany want to have a "drug free" birth (after epidural the child is not able to find the breast anymore for the first milk after birth)....and 10 minutes must be an exception to the rule. It might be interesting though if you have some stats on this for my warcraft file. If that is true (even if it is just true for the US) it takes away a lot of argumenting.
    The men's and fathers' movement needs to make sure it never sees females as the enemy,
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    Re: Women DON'T have a higher pain threshold than men and don't get the right treatme

    Hm found it myself:

    Natural birth in decline as 1 in 5 has Caesarean

    Celebrity mothers and middle-class women lead the rising trend towards intervention in the delivery room, maternity study suggests

    The largest study of childbirth ever undertaken in Britain has shown that normal delivery is in decline as increasing numbers of women go under the knife.
    The study of 158,000 births last year, a quarter of the total, has found that 21.5 per cent, more than one in five, were delivered by Caesarean section. The highest rate was 56 per cent in an unnamed private maternity hospital.


    The proportion of babies born naturally – requiring no intervention such as a Caesarean or forceps – has slipped to 67.3 per cent, down 10 per cent compared with a decade ago and at its lowest level for more than 25 years.


    The study, by the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, in association with the royal colleges of midwives and anaesthetists and the National Childbirth Trust, is the most comprehensive carried out, involving all maternity units in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.


    It showed for the first time that just over half of consultant obstetricians were themselves worried that the Caesarean rate in their own unit was too high. Nationally, the rate stood at nine per cent in 1980 and has been rising at one per cent a year for a decade. It is now well above the World Health Organisation's recommended level of 10-15 per cent.


    One factor behind the rising trend is thought to be that middle-class women dubbed "too posh to push" are demanding Caesareans, in the belief that they are safer, and obstetricians are becoming less resistant.


    Celebrities including former Spice Girl Victoria Beckham, actress Patsy Kensit and presenter Zoë Ball have fuelled the trend. The survey found that seven per cent of all Caesareans were in response to a request from the mother and were carried out for no medical reason.


    The rise is accelerating because women who have had one Caesarean are more likely to deliver the same way the next time. Fear of litigation has also been suggested but researchers said there was no evidence that it was a reason for the rise.
    Jane Thomas, chief author of the survey, said: "The threshold [for performing a Caesarean] may well have moved as mothers get better at asking for what they want and clinicians become less worried about it."


    Most consultants (78 per cent) felt that a planned Caesarean was not the safest option for the mother although half (51 per cent) felt it was safest for the baby.


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    The Caesarean rate was higher in London and Wales (24.2 per cent) and lower in the North-east (19.3 per cent). The highest rate was in the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man (24.8 per cent).


    Professor Bill Dunlop, president of the RCOG, said: "The audit shows marked variations in rates across the country and that obstetricians are rightly concerned that the Caesarean rate in the UK may be too high. We need to make sure that when Caesareans are carried out they are done in appropriate circumstances."
    Guidelines for maternity units based on the findings will be drawn up by the National Institute for Clinical Effectiveness (NICE), Jacqui Smith, a health minister, said. "Women should be free to make choices during their pregnancy," she said.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...an-632673.html

    Approximately one in four pregnancies in the UK ends in a Caesarean section, and most are offered in the face of potential complications such as the baby lying in the wrong position for natural birth.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7576544.stm

    The epidural block has been used increasingly over the past 50 years. Childbirth educators across the country are finding that more and more women plan--even demand--an epidural in order to avoid labor pain.

    Why the popularity? Are there any significant disadvantages to epidurals? Are they safe enough for routine use?


    Potential Benefits of Epidurals

    Ep
    idural anesthesia or analgesia provides relief or reduction of labor pain without affecting the mother's mental state. It enables an exhausted mother to relax or sleep during labor and calms the woman who is anxious and tense because of pain. Once an epidural catheter is in place, additional medication can easily be administered as needed, providing prolonged and consistent pain relief.

    Some prolonged labors, probably those slowed by anxiety, speed up with an epidural. Anxiety can cause excessive production of the mother's stress hormones such as epinephrine and norepinephrine, which slow contractions. By allowing the mother to rest without pain, the epidural removes her anxiety and her labor progress may improve.2If not, Pitocin may be administered painlessly. Since epidurals often lower blood pressure, this may benefit some women with pregnancy induced hypertension.3

    Epidurals are also useful for cesarean births, making it possible for the mother to remain alert and involved while free from pain. They enable her to avoid general anesthesia, which is considered to carry greater risks.

    Epidural narcotics reduce pain without reducing other sensations or muscle function. Women can change positions more easily than with anesthetics. They remain aware of their contractions and often continue to participate; using breathing patterns and other comfort measures. For those women who wish to remain aware of their labors, epidural narcotics are often quite acceptable.


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    The childbirth educator's duty is to inform, not to talk women into or out of using an epidural. Many women will choose an epidural, when well informed of benefits, risks and alternatives; others will choose to avoid it if their labor allows.
    When women are well informed, they will consider the information, along with other factors - such as their fears, self-perceptions, their goals for their birth experiences, their support system - and make the most suitable decision.
    http://www.childbirthsolutions.com/a...ural/index.php

    Epidural anesthesia is the most popular means for pain relief during labor. In fact, more women ask for an epidural by name than any other method of pain relief. Over 50% of women giving birth at hospitals use epidural anesthesia.
    As you prepare yourself for “labor day”, learn as much as possible about pain relief options so you will be equipped and ready to make decisions throughout your birth experience. Understanding the different types of epidurals, how an epidural is administered, and the benefits and potential risks of an epidural will prepare you to make an informed decision for you and your baby as your birth unfolds.
    What is epidural anesthesia?

    Epidural anesthesia is regional anesthesia that blocks pain in a particular region of the body. The goal of an epidural is to provide analgesia, or pain relief, rather than complete anesthesia, which is total lack of feeling. Epidurals block the nerve impulses from the lower spinal segments resulting in decreased sensation in the lower half of the body. Epidural medications fall into a class of drugs called local anesthetics, such as bupivacaine, chloroprocaine, or lidocaine. They are often delivered in combination with opioids or narcotics, such as fentanyl and sufentanil, to decrease the required dose of local anesthetic. This way pain relief is achieved with minimal effects. These medications may be used in combination with epinephrine, fentanyl, morphine, or clonidine to prolong the epidural’s effect or stabilize the mother’s blood pressure.


    [...]




    What are the benefits of epidural anesthesia?


    • Allows you to rest if your labor is prolonged
    • Relieving the discomfort of childbirth can help some woman have a more positive birth experience
    • Most of the time an epidural will allow you to remain alert and be an active participant in your birth
    • If you deliver by cesarean, an epidural anesthesia will allow you to stay awake and also provide effective pain relief during recovery
    • When other types of coping mechanisms are not helping any longer, an epidural may be what you need to move through exhaustion, irritability, and fatigue. An epidural may allow you to rest, relax, get focused and give you the strength to move forward as an active participant in your birth experience.
    • The use of epidural anesthesia during childbirth is continually being perfected and much of its success depends on the care in which it is administered.
    http://www.americanpregnancy.org/lab.../epidural.html

    According to research done by the Department of Anesthesiology at the University of Colorado at Denver and Health Sciences Center, more and more women are taking advantage of modern technology and choosing to use analgesics and anesthesia for pain relief during childbirth. Only a small percentage of women, about 6-10%, are opting to have labor without pain medications and in fact, more than 50% of women giving birth in a hospital have an epidural. While many women are choosing epidural anesthesia as their form of pain relief, there are still many myths and misconceptions about epidurals.


    [...]



    Myth number 7: Epidurals are scarier than childbirth itself.
    Some women are very scared of needles and worry that getting an epidural will hurt more or be scarier than childbirth itself. While some women do find that the fear of needles is stronger than the pain of childbirth, most women find the procedure is not as bad as they expected. Before getting the epidural, the anesthesiologist will numb the area of skin where the needle is inserted. You may still feel a sting when the needle is inserted but this is a brief procedure and if you are having painful contractions you may not even notice when the needle is inserted. After having the epidural in place, it won’t take long for you to start feeling relief from your pain.
    http://www.justmommies.com/articles/...pidurals.shtml

    Record High Cesarean Rate in USA Contradicts Best Practices For Birth


    Despite the evidence of risks associated with cesarean section, the rate of birth by cesarean section in 2004 in the USA registered at 29.1 percent, the highest ever recorded. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in a recent report, this figure is an 8 percent increase from 2003, and a 41 percent increase since 1996.

    The rise in cesarean section is caused by many factors, including care providers' fear of lawsuits, casual attitudes toward surgery, and the growing belief that vaginal birth is harmful and carries increased negative side-effects when compared with cesarean section. Another reason cited for cesarean section is what is known as "forced" cesarean section. Many women who have had a prior cesarean section or whose baby is in a breech position are coerced into choosing a cesarean section by their maternity care provider.
    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/34017.php


    Preliminary data for 2003 indicated that 27.6% of all births in the United States resulted from cesarean deliveries, an increase of 6% from 2002 and the highest percentage ever reported in the United States. After declines during 1989--1996, the total cesarean rate and the primary cesarean rate (i.e., percentage of cesareans among women with no previous cesarean delivery; 19.1% in 2003) have increased each year. In addition, the rate of VBAC, which had increased during 1989--1996, decreased by 63% to 10.6% in 2003. Among women with previous cesarean deliveries, the likelihood that subsequent deliveries would be cesarean was approximately 90% in 2003.
    SOURCE: National Vital Statistics System, annual files, 1989--2003. Available at http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/births.htm.
    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5402a5.htm

    And you are absolutely right....thx cj!
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    but only misandry--whether from females or from males.
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    Re: Women DON'T have a higher pain threshold than men and don't get the right treatme

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    There's nothing "natural feeling" about having something the size of a watermelon go through a bodily opening that is dilated to 10 cm or less.
    I can't imagine it feels 'good', but I can't understand why it wouldn't feel natural... when it's - natural!
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    I can't imagine it feels 'good', but I can't understand why it wouldn't feel natural... when it's - natural!
    Ah well....I don't expect you to "understand." You've never given birth, have you? All you can do is imagine it.

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    Ah well....I don't expect you to "understand." You've never given birth, have you? All you can do is imagine it.
    ...and you don't have a penis, do you? All you can do is imagine it...

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    Ah well....I don't expect you to "understand." You've never given birth, have you? All you can do is imagine it.
    But it's still natural. Death is natural too, though.
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    Hm it seems to me that nature fucked that up, because of the simple fact that a lot of vaginas tear during child birth. It should have been even more flexible or both genders genitalia far bigger.
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    Re: Women DON'T have a higher pain threshold than men and don't get the right treatme

    In olden times many women died during the process of birth.

    Inventions, discoveries and all that good stuff came along and helped make the process an easier one. Today we have so many ways to assist during birth that deaths are few & far between.

    I'd never pretend it's as easy as taking a poo (mind you, I've had a few that I had to seriously wonder about)... but it remains an act of nature.
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    Yes it is....all I am saying is that nature fucked the details up with this one. So I can somehow understand Tera that it does not FEEL natural to tear a vagina during child births.....

    What I found interesting the child mortality rate in the USA is 6 in 1000 the complication rate of circumcisions is (according to one wiki source) between 2-10 in 100. Funny isnīt it. Let me be so ignorant for a moment and assume that there are no other complication than actually death during child birth and one could say child birth is safer for the baby than circumcision...but letīs not go there....
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