At least she probably won't be stupid enough to start another fight with a guy, and for his pride I'm sure he felt good putting her down, and he wasn't bum-rushed by some coward mangina which is always nice. As for his legal defense I can only hope he has the sense to attack from a civil rights angle; he needs to get some black community advocates in on his side. It's not TRUE, but for his sake, he needs to take it from this angle, 'Bassically I'm being lynched because I stood up to massas girlfriend,' which is not really all that far from the truth. There's no way he should legally speaking be charged if there's video evidence of her hitting him first, and if he has the money he should move to have the judge overturn the verdict if he is found guilty. A good solicitor would have the judge disbarred for not doing that when there is this kind of evidence he was acting in self defense. For fleeing the scene he can also claim self-defense; nobody 'hangs around,' after a fight because people will often return to the scene, armed, to get revenge. I've seen this stuff with my own eyes.

The media doesn't care of course, but he should sue them for racist slander.

She was stupid enough to hit him, I'm sure she knew what was coming. She asked for it but she didn't deserve it and I think the man should sue the gynocentric media for the racial slurs.

Her mother says that her daughter's size negates any arguments that she was the aggressor.

It doesn't nor shouldn't negate culpability anymore than had it been a smaller man who had initiated the violence (I believe there's similarities with proactively violent women and 'small man syndrome'). The archaic idea that women should have free reign to commit violence against men without consequences is all too depressingly pervasive.

Of course, the collective outcry is really about a lowly man hitting a member of the privileged and elevated class, albeit in self-defense. The facts and legal principles will be disregarded.

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It's not TRUE, but for his sake, he needs to take it from this angle, 'Bassically I'm being lynched because I stood up to massas girlfriend,' which is not really all that far from the truth.

Looking at some of the racist overtones as him being an "animal" that needs to be "caged" will further compound his already beleaguered position as a man.

The Viet Cong were small too.

I made a similar comment a few years ago and all were aghast. The responses were vitriolic to say the least..

Meanwhile, been branded as some delusional animal. Like I give a F*ck..

Want to bash a male and you think that you will not eventually find out that your effort is just futile is something that women NEED to learn. We can take you out anytime, anywhere. The only reason that does not happen often enough is that we know we can. Keep pushing that confrontation and you will be shown what men have resisted for a millennium. You are not stronger and it is time that women faced that obvious fact..

They need to grow up..

We can smack your arse down anytime we feel like it..

That is probably not an area you wont to go..

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The Viet Cong were small too.

Bruce Lee was NO giant !!!

I have read both articles and perused the comments. This guy made a MAJOR mistake when he did not call the police. The police would have taken a statement and she would have gotten the medical attention that could have prevented her from going into a coma.

Having said that I found the white knight/mangina comments on the articles to be purile and stupid. This guy acts naturaly in a violent and awkward situation and then makes an almost understandable mistake by leaving the scene and he instantly becomes Jack the Ripper. Another example of the hyper idealization of women in our society.

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I have read both articles and perused the comments. This guy made a MAJOR mistake when he did not call the police. The police would have taken a statement and she would have gotten the medical attention that could have prevented her from going into a coma.

But Oscar knew that others had witnessed the fight. Why bother to call the police himself? Do you think the boyfriend would have politely let him make his phone call? No! Once the boyfriend recruited some help from passerby, Oscar Fuller would be restrained at the least and probably beat up in addition to that. Hell, the boyfriend could have killed him. Not calling the cops himself didn't mean that Lana got medical attention later than she could have; I suspect the cops and ambulances would have showed up at the same time regardless.

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But Oscar knew that others had witnessed the fight. Why bother to call the police himself? Do you think the boyfriend would have politely let him make his phone call? No! Once the boyfriend recruited some help from passerby, Oscar Fuller would be restrained at the least and probably beat up in addition to that. Hell, the boyfriend could have killed him. Not calling the cops himself didn't mean that Lana got medical attention later than she could have; I suspect the cops and ambulances would have showed up at the same time regardless.

You are absolutely correct about the boyfriend and, perhaps, you might be correct about the medical attention coming in time whether or not he called. However, the fact that he made no attempt to contact police constitutes a major mistake, though an understandable one. His defense would have been much more solid and perhaps his name wouldn't be all over the press as the police, no doubt, used the press to find what they thought was the perpetrator. Had he simply made a phone call he would have been far better off. Even if he hadn't have stuck around the scene.

Perhaps the lesson for all of us - men and women alike - is that if we are attacked, regardless of whether we attempt to defend ourselves and regardless of the outcome of any defence, call the police and make it clear you are the victim. I realise that men don't do so well with this approach on domestic violence in some countries, notably the USA, but it has to be the right approach. If necessary, call a lawyer and have them call the police: the police are much more likely to watch their step that way.

Perhaps the lesson for all of us - men and women alike - is that if we are attacked, regardless of whether we attempt to defend ourselves and regardless of the outcome of any defence, call the police and make it clear you are the victim. I realise that men don't do so well with this approach on domestic violence in some countries, notably the USA, but it has to be the right approach. If necessary, call a lawyer and have them call the police: the police are much more likely to watch their step that way.

In any kind of affray this is absolutely the correct thing to do, but do NOT remain at the scene unless police are on their way already and will be quick. I've seen this with my own eyes too many times. There are many unstable people out there who, if they're beaten, or humiliated in public in a fight (remember if someone starts a fight with you for little or no reason their stability is already suspect) they will become angry. Literally angry enough to kill in many cases. If they own a gun, or can go home for a weapon, a knife or a bat, or even just come back with ten of their mates, or their older brothers, whoever, they often will. This can and does happen. If they're a member of any kind of gang they might even keep an eye on the area, the whole surrounding area, for many hours, even a few days after the incident. I've seen a man stabbed fifteen times in the back in the middle of a McDonalds restaurant because he was silly enough to beat someone up, and remain at the scene as though he were the 'conquering hero,' claiming his newly-won turf. In the US where guns are prolific this is especially dangerous.

I can't count how many times I've seen people ambushed coming out of a pub, or in a parking lot because they beat someone up, or scared them off and the loser came back with reinforcements to jump them. You're really taking your life in your hands if you do this.

If you get into a fight, step one, tell a bystander/onlooker you've been attacked and ask them to call the cops. Fake an injury if you must so they do it for you. This establishes a third party witness that you were attacked, and the police will collar this person later on for what happened but even if they didn't see they'll have your testimony that you were attacked which may bias them in your favour. They might even lie for you. If you have any kind of injury go to a clinic/hospital, even if you don’t you should (say you felt woozy and were worried about concussion) this stops them saying you ‘fled the scene,’ which can seem like a guilt-driven act. If you must also explain you left because you were afraid; say they threatened to come back perhaps (they hospital will have a record of your visit, which is more evidence even if there‘s no injury it‘s a ‘where there‘s smoke there‘s fire,’ issue, why would you go if you weren‘t hurt/worried?) while at the hospital there either phone the police, or contact a lawyer to call them for you. A lawyer can maximize how well police treat you and is well worth the money. Be careful what you say; don't say things like 'she took a swing at me, and I swung back,' that's a confession to aggravated assault/affray. Don't tell a long story. Keep to the facts that are relevant and avoid answering general questions, direct them to ask more specific questions.

The police like to dismiss this sort of stuff as affray (then they tell you not to press charges, because it would leave you open to being charged) so try to avoid that unless it would be to your advantage for both sides to drop charges altogether. Don’t admit to acts of aggression. The law allows for self-defence, but be careful. Let's say someone punches, and you punch back. Say 'They were punching at me, and to make them stop I just kind of threw my hands out, while trying to get away,' not 'I saw an opening and laid him/her out with a cross,' the second is affray, the first is you defending yourself while being assaulted. Word games like this seem dumb, but the law can be very anal. Never underestimate how little the police care about minor crimes like this. They want you to admit to being responsible, or guilty in your own right of fighting because that means you drop the case.

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Bruce Lee was NO giant !!!

Neither was Attila the Hun and he died like an uncircumcised heathen.

Rosas' mother was outraged he would blame her daughter. 'So she was the aggressor? Really?' she asked. 'She's 4-foot-11. How is she the aggressor?'

Because she hit first, you idiot.

Having spent some time as a bouncer while in college, I can attest to the fact that "small and petite" girls and women were some of the nastiest fighters I have encountered when they were smashed or ripped on drugs (All bouncers and doormen had to wear a cup, believe it or not for insurance purposes). Rohara has a good point, this guy should have pushed her away and called the cops. On the flip side, when you are attacked, you can either fight or flee, basic human nature.