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    Why don't men defend themselves or their women anymore?


    Is this the fruit of feminism? Some things are worse than death.


    This young couple was kidnapped, raped, butchered and murdered:

    Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom - Google News
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    How is this for double speak? The case is "racially charged" because the accused are poor Blacks, but the White victims are not hate crime victims! Instead, the crime "went awry", as if it had a mind of its own and the criminals were passive!

    "...The case is racially charged — the defendants are poor and black, the victims were middle-class and white — and it has drawn extensive media coverage locally. Judge Richard Baumgartner obtained a sequestered jury from Nashville, some 150 miles away, to reduce chances of bias...

    ...Police, prosecutors and the victims' families maintain that Newsom and Christian were not victims of a hate crime, rather victims of a carjacking that went terribly awry..."


    Here is a similar, though, if you can believe it, worse horror story:

    Two Black men raped and forced three White men and two White women to perform sex acts on each other before shooting them execution style in a field. One woman survived to tell the tale.

    The Truth Seeker - The Wichita Massacre - Another Shameless Media ...

    ...Armed with a handgun, the Blacks forced all the Whites to strip off their clothes and shoved them into a bedroom closet. At first, the Blacks showed little interest in robbery, though the Whites told them "take our money, take whatever you want." The young Whites were then brought out into another room, one or two at a time, for rape and sexual degradation.

    According to HG's testimony (which was subsequently censored) transcribed at the CourtTV message board, the Whites were forced to submit to rape and sodomy from the Blacks and were also forced to rape each other to put on a kind of "sex show" for the Blacks..


    'Wichita Massacre' Brothers Sentenced to Death

    ...However, Sedgwick County, Kan., District Attorney Nola Foulston said she would not charge the suspects with committing "hate crimes" because she believed the murders were motivated by robbery and not racial hatred...

    Why don't people defend themselves?

    I find it sad and ironic that people do not value their lives or the lives of their loved ones enough to prepare to defend themselves with guns, knife and makeshift weaponry, but then, when they are attacked, they are willing to submit to any form of human degradation just to stay alive. Some things are worse than death. Who would want to live having been humiliated in the ways described above? Who would want to do those things, be murdered, and leave his family with those memories? Why don't people fight tooth and nail with whatever ever they have available until victorious or dead? Or just tell the criminals that you will not submit and that they should just go ahead and kill you. Cowards look for easy prey. The more you submit, the more they will degrade and abuse you. Self-defense is a mentality most people do not have.


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    Re: Why don't men defend themselves or their women anymore?

    Obviously if the murderers were white and the people butchered blacks, it would have been a hate crime. I don't know, but usually the people aren't mutilated in robberies. I believe the first couple are the one that got mutilated - like they cut of parts of her body and shit.

    If they'd expect me to do things like that, I'd rather die. I'm amused by that idiot who Obama got to push for hate crime legislation - how about enforcing it? Any interracial crime will be a hate crime. Easy as that. And you double the sentence for hate crimes. I mean, if they want to stop interracial crime, which is getting bigger and bigger, this is how you do it. For example, I'm against the principle of putting a murder that was racially motivated as worse than one that was motivated by anything else, but if they want to do away with them, that's the way to do it.

    EDIT:To be honest, I'd rather die than watching any person I love a lot getting degraded and humiliated like that. But again, I guess I have more balls than a lot of the people in the West who got brainwashed into guilt and shame by leftist propaganda. It's like Western Europe and Eastern Europe. The former has no balls in negotiating with Russia. It's amusing to me that Eastern European countries don't put up with all that garbage, even though we're a lot poorer. And if I would live in the US, I'd get a gun.

    And what's funny is that in Europe we don't consider the hate crimes of minorities hate crimes either. Or in Australia. I mean, in some rapes the women were demeaned because of their religion and race. Hate crimes? Nope.
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    Re: Why don't men defend themselves or their women anymore?

    This is something that has always bothered me,
    black on black = crime
    black on white = crime
    white on white = crime
    white on black = hate crime
    It is absurd beyond belief.

    A while ago on the news, a breaking story came in, it was about a black man who was stabbed to death while waiting for a bus, the man who done it fled the scene, that was all the information the news gave us, and from that alone, I was able to tell that the perpetrator was a black man, because if he was white, that would have been the first thing that was mentioned.

    It annoys me that in a situation where I'm in a heated debate with a black man, and we agree to step outside to settle our differences, that if he beats me, he wins, end of story, if I beat him, I'm racist, how can this be?
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    This is something that has always bothered me,
    black on black = crime
    black on white = crime
    white on white = crime
    white on black = hate crime
    It is absurd beyond belief.

    A while ago on the news, a breaking story came in, it was about a black man who was stabbed to death while waiting for a bus, the man who done it fled the scene, that was all the information the news gave us, and from that alone, I was able to tell that the perpetrator was a black man, because if he was white, that would have been the first thing that was mentioned.

    It annoys me that in a situation where I'm in a heated debate with a black man, and we agree to step outside to settle our differences, that if he beats me, he wins, end of story, if I beat him, I'm racist, how can this be?
    It's the same philosophy that is behind feminism. I hope people will snap out of this retardness.

    Oh, another thing. I don't get how liberalism in the US works. From my knowledge, liberalism is about freedoms and liberties while the liberals in the US are for special groups, privileges, discrimination and government encroachment.

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    It's the same philosophy that is behind feminism. I hope people will snap out of this retardness.

    Oh, another thing. I don't get how liberalism in the US works. From my knowledge, liberalism is about freedoms and liberties while the liberals in the US are for special groups, privileges, discrimination and government encroachment.
    Yes, RV, the root word in liberalism is the same as in liberty. Liberal meant one who supports liberty and freedom about a century ago. Now it is used euphamitically to mean socialist. Libertarian now means what liberal used to.
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    Yes, RV, the root word in liberalism is the same as in liberty. Liberal meant one who supports liberty and freedom about a century ago. Now it is used euphamitically to mean socialist. Libertarian now means what liberal used to.
    I know. I was acting like I don't get it.

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    I know. I was acting like I don't get it.
    Oh, well, you tricked me!

    And if I lived in the US, I'd get a gun.
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    Re: Why don't men defend themselves or their women anymore?

    AKUUS, is the interracial couple theme pushed down everyone's throats there? Because from what I can see from here, which might be wrong, the white female-black male(or white male-asian female) relationship is glorified. Which of course, combined with the cognitive dissonance related to racism and guilt, it must be a treat.

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    Why don't people defend themselves with deadly weapons? Some things are worse than death, but it's a matter of personal perception. One person might rather die than be raped, another might rather live. Not everyone wants guns in their homes, and most people are going to live their entire lives and never victims of rape or attempted murder.

    And I agree with the frustration and anger toward the media for calling crimes "hate crimes" before that element is really a known fact. Just because two races are involved (one a perpetrator, another a victim) doesn't necessarily make the crime motivated by hate.

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    Why don't people defend themselves with deadly weapons? Some things are worse than death, but it's a matter of personal perception. One person might rather die than be raped, another might rather live. Not everyone wants guns in their homes, and most people are going to live their entire lives and never victims of rape or attempted murder.

    And I agree with the frustration and anger toward the media for calling crimes "hate crimes" before that element is really a known fact. Just because two races are involved (one a perpetrator, another a victim) doesn't necessarily make the crime motivated by hate.
    Our problem is that the media calls any shit that whites do to blacks a hate crime and not the vice versa, even though the latter are a lot more prevalent. This isn't how you do away with racism, this is how you perpetuate it and validate people's behavior against another race.

    And I wouldn't like to live in a house full of guns, but one wouldn't be bad. That's because I don't trust the government in dealing with these things as long as they care about not offending people, keeping privileges for their special groups instead of caring about justice. Just look at how they acted around the NBPP at the elections and think on how they would have done it if some KKK members would have did that. Black superiority=White supremacy and Afrocentrism=White Nationalism.

    This hate crime thing is the most hypocritical because they want to pass legislation that is interpretable as white on black crime, even though black on white crime is a lot bigger(double digits bigger). This is one of the reasons I will doubt I will stay or raise my children in the US - the society is so dissonant that it would be funny if you're emotionally detached. Or if I stay, I might homeschool my kids.

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    AKUUS, is the interracial couple theme pushed down everyone's throats there? Because from what I can see from here, which might be wrong, the white female-black male(or white male-asian female) relationship is glorified. Which of course, combined with the cognitive dissonance related to racism and guilt, it must be a treat.
    A treat or a threat?

    Are you saying that interracial relations are glorified in Romania?

    I don't think that I would say interracial relations are glorified, if you mean in the Main Stream Medium or in HollowWood. If they are, perhaps I am so accustomed to it, I don't notice it. I can't think of any TV shows off the top of my head with mixed race couples.

    Most ads show groups of mixed races hanging out, not necessarily dating or married. I would have to say that that is probably, at least in part, just marketing to all races, though.

    Nonetheless, mixed race couples are common, especially White girls-Black guys and White guys-Hispanic girls. I can't explain White-Black dating. Some wood say that White girls are trying to be "rebellious" by doing it, i.e. doing something that "Daddy wouldn't want." On the other hand, many White guys fall for Hispanic (or Brazilian, both Mestizo) women as Latin women tend to be more feminine and traditional and less feminist. The only problem is that most of them tend to be illegal aliens, which is another can of worms. Many of these illegal-alien women can't speak much English, but they know the word "abuse", which is their meal ticket to everything the guy has plus legalization.

    Since we are on the topic, does anyone know anything about the psychological and sociological affects on kids of being mixed racially? Some people say they wouldn't want to marry someone from a different race because of the negative effects it would have on the children, e.g. the identity crisis of not knowing which race he belonged to. It sounds plausible, but I don't know if it's true.
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    Hope this thread doesn't turn into some sort of justification or rationalization for racism.....

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    Since we are on the topic, does anyone know anything about the psychological and sociological affects on kids of being mixed racially? Some people say they wouldn't want to marry someone from a different race because of the negative effects it would have on the children, e.g. the identity crisis of not knowing which race he belonged to. It sounds plausible, but I don't know if it's true.
    thats just a bullshit excuse for people who cant accept IR relationships and are bigoted
    there might have been some validity to that statement in the early 80's but now.........dont think so
    mixed couples and mixed people are so common now that its really not a big deal
    most of the people I know who are mixed black and white consider themselves black
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    The only thing about mixed race kids that is a problem are outbreeding depression and things like that, which are genetic stuff, not psychological. There are probably some psychological things too - like Halle Berry dissing her mother's race even though her mother pretty much grew her up after her father dumped her or other kind of racist bullshit like Obama, but I doubt it's the norm.

    And no, here we don't glorify or promote any type of get together thing. I said that what I can see from here, that's how it looks that it happens there. I was just wondering because it's funny in a way. And that rebellious thing is the biggest load of garbage ever - dating someone to piss of your parents.

    I didn't ask for rationalizations for it, I was just curious if it's promoted as something cool to do. And yes, this is why I'm amused about men who think marrying someone from another country is so great because they're less feminist indoctrinated. If an American marries me, I can do the abuse/rape shit which gets me citizenship and divorce him which gets me half of his stuff.

    Aug9th, that's an identity issue. Considering yourself black, even though you're not. lol

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    thats just a bullshit excuse for people who cant accept IR relationships and are bigoted
    there might have been some validity to that statement in the early 80's but now.........dont think so
    mixed couples and mixed people are so common now that its really not a big deal
    most of the people I know who are mixed black and white consider themselves black
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