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We're All Prisoners, Now: US Citizens to be Required ''Clearance'' to Leave USA

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    We're All Prisoners, Now: US Citizens to be Required ''Clearance'' to Leave USA


    We're All Prisoners, Now: US Citizens to be Required ''Clearance'' to Leave USA

    October 26, 2006

    Forget no-fly lists. If Uncle Sam gets its way, beginning on Jan. 14,
    2007, we'll all be on no-fly lists, unless the government gives us
    permission to leave-or re-enter-the United States.

    The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (HSA) has proposed that all
    airlines, cruise lines-even fishing boats-be required to obtain
    clearance for each passenger they propose taking into or out of the
    United States.

    It doesn't matter if you have a U.S. Passport - a "travel document"
    that now, absent a court order to the contrary, gives you a virtually
    unqualified right to enter or leave the United States, any time you
    want. When the DHS system comes into effect next January, if the
    agency says "no" to a clearance request, or doesn't answer the
    request at all, you won't be permitted to enter-or leave-the United
    States.

    Consider what might happen if you're a U.S. passport holder on
    assignment in a country like Saudi Arabia. Your visa is about to
    expire, so you board your flight back to the United States. But wait!
    You can't get on, because you don't have permission from the HSA.
    Saudi immigration officials are on hand to escort you to a squalid
    detention center, where you and others who are now effectively
    "stateless persons" are detained, potentially indefinitely, until
    their immigration status is sorted out.

    Why might the HSA deny you permission to leave-or enter-the United
    States? No one knows, because the entire clearance procedure would be
    an administrative determination made secretly, with no right of
    appeal. Naturally, the decision would be made without a warrant,
    without probable cause and without even any particular degree of
    suspicion. Basically, if the HSA decides it doesn't like you, you're
    a prisoner - either outside, or inside, the United States, whether or
    not you hold a U.S. passport.

    The U.S. Supreme Court has long recognized there is a constitutional
    right to travel internationally. Indeed, it has declared that the
    right to travel is "a virtually unconditional personal right." The
    United States has also signed treaties guaranteeing "freedom of
    travel." So if these regulations do go into effect, you can expect a
    lengthy court battle, both nationally and internationally.

    Think this can't happen? Think again. It's ALREADY happening. Earlier
    this year, HSA forbade airlines from transporting an 18-year-old a
    native-born U.S. citizen, back to the United States. The prohibition
    lasted nearly six months until it was finally lifted a few weeks ago.
    Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are two countries in recent history
    that didn't allow their citizens to travel abroad without permission.
    If these regulations go into effect, you can add the United States to
    this list.

    For more information on this proposed regulation, see
    http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-APIS-comments.pdf.
    Here's the news article.
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    We're All Prisoners, Now: US Citizens to be Required ''Clearance'' to Leave USA

    October 26, 2006

    Forget no-fly lists. If Uncle Sam gets its way, beginning on Jan. 14,
    2007, we'll all be on no-fly lists, unless the government gives us
    permission to leave-or re-enter-the United States.

    The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (HSA) has proposed that all
    airlines, cruise lines-even fishing boats-be required to obtain
    clearance for each passenger they propose taking into or out of the
    United States.

    It doesn't matter if you have a U.S. Passport - a "travel document"
    that now, absent a court order to the contrary, gives you a virtually
    unqualified right to enter or leave the United States, any time you
    want. When the DHS system comes into effect next January, if the
    agency says "no" to a clearance request, or doesn't answer the
    request at all, you won't be permitted to enter-or leave-the United
    States.

    Consider what might happen if you're a U.S. passport holder on
    assignment in a country like Saudi Arabia. Your visa is about to
    expire, so you board your flight back to the United States. But wait!
    You can't get on, because you don't have permission from the HSA.
    Saudi immigration officials are on hand to escort you to a squalid
    detention center, where you and others who are now effectively
    "stateless persons" are detained, potentially indefinitely, until
    their immigration status is sorted out.

    Why might the HSA deny you permission to leave-or enter-the United
    States? No one knows, because the entire clearance procedure would be
    an administrative determination made secretly, with no right of
    appeal. Naturally, the decision would be made without a warrant,
    without probable cause and without even any particular degree of
    suspicion. Basically, if the HSA decides it doesn't like you, you're
    a prisoner - either outside, or inside, the United States, whether or
    not you hold a U.S. passport.

    The U.S. Supreme Court has long recognized there is a constitutional
    right to travel internationally. Indeed, it has declared that the
    right to travel is "a virtually unconditional personal right." The
    United States has also signed treaties guaranteeing "freedom of
    travel." So if these regulations do go into effect, you can expect a
    lengthy court battle, both nationally and internationally.

    Think this can't happen? Think again. It's ALREADY happening. Earlier
    this year, HSA forbade airlines from transporting an 18-year-old a
    native-born U.S. citizen, back to the United States. The prohibition
    lasted nearly six months until it was finally lifted a few weeks ago.
    Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are two countries in recent history
    that didn't allow their citizens to travel abroad without permission.
    If these regulations go into effect, you can add the United States to
    this list.

    For more information on this proposed regulation, see
    http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-APIS-comments.pdf.
    Here's the news article.
    ~ Support Fathers & Families for Father's Rights and Equal Parenting! Go to fathersandfamilies.org ~

    ~ Fathers & FamiliesTM improves the lives of children and strengthens society by protecting the child’s right to the love and care of both parents after separation or divorce. ~

    ~ Feminism = Every bad thing any man has ever committed highlighted and exaggerated; every bit of good systematically undermined, vilified or ignored. ~

    ~ A man needs a woman like a lion needs a stove. ~

    ~ Women deserve only equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. ~

    ~ Men are not collectively "guilty" of anything. ~

    ~ Never needing to be pregnant is a blessing. ~

    ~ Feminist ideology “men have to respect women, but women have no reason to respect men” ~

    ~ Everybody makes choices, and nobody should be entitled to special treatment because of those choices.
    Equal results based on unequal treatment amounts to no kind of equality at all. ~


 

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