Wendy firing on all six again.
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- 8th-June-2009 #1
Wendy firing on all six again.
Wendy Mac is not every MRA's favourite. Pretty well the only reasons I have ever come across are that a) she is a she' and b) she describes herself as a feminist.
She is one of the few that sounds off against feminism.
And here is the Lady herself.Wendy McElroy: Feminists Deny Truth on Domestic Violence
By Robert Franklin, Esq. | Jun 7, 2009
http://mensnewsdaily.com/glennsacks/2009/06/07/wendy-mcelroy-feminists-deny-truth-on-domestic-violence/
Here's Wendy McElroy on the fall of feminism under the weight of its own orthodoxy (FoxNews, 5/30/09). McElroy blogs at ifeminists.com. If you want to know what principled feminism looks like, that's as good a place as any to see it. McElroy's too libertarian for my taste, but her views on feminism are pretty much spot on.
In the piece linked to, she spends most of her time excoriating feminists on the subject of domestic violence. McElroy rightly points out that back in the seventies, feminists developed the ideology that men used domestic violence to control and oppress women. According to that construct, DV is first and foremost a political act. The person in power seeks to maintain that power by terrorizing the other person in the relationship.
There are several things wrong with that conception of DV. First, it pretends that, in male-female relationships, the man is always the empowered one. To anyone who's ever been in an intimate relationship, that's self-evidently false. Particularly now, when women have been freed to work and earn equally to men, any structural inequality in personal relationships has been largely removed.
Second, the feminist view of DV that McElroy and other feminist writers criticize cannot admit of the possibility that women commit DV against men. If DV is all about male domination of women, it's impossible for women to abuse men. That's a real problem when a mountain of social science over 30 years clearly shows that women commit and initiate DV as often as do men. Given the conflict between feminist orthodoxy and known reality, feminists have always needed to bury the facts, which they assiduously do with the assistance of a credulous (and chivalrous) press.
And that's a lot of what occupies McElroy in the linked piece. She describes the viciousness with which feminist DV activists shoved Erin Pizzey out of the movement she was instrumental in starting. Pizzey, who opened the first DV shelter in the UK, recognized from the outset that men as well as women were victims of domestic violence. But she was soon shouted down by her less heterodox "sisters," and forced to go into hiding following death threats and the killing of the family dog.
McElroy says that "PC feminism has attempted to stop voices it could not control." The truth is the enemy of any movement that depends on falsehoods for its viability. The feminists McElroy takes to task are desperately trying to keep the lid on a boiling pot, with less and less success.
I'll leave it to McElroy to put it all in a nutshell: "Feminism is dying not from a backlash but from an orthodoxy that cannot tolerate real discussion...and never could."
Thanks to Duncan for the heads-up.
And, yes, she is a favourite of mine. Suck it up !
I cannot overlook the opportunity to mention that 'Prone to Violence' featured in Paul and my recent video 'When Momma Ain't Happy'.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197550,00.html
FOXNEWS.COM HOME > OPINION
Feminists Deny Truth on Domestic Violence
Tuesday, May 30, 2006
By Wendy McElroy
In the last three decades, feminism has revolutionized daily life from the legal system and social mores down to the story books children use in kindergarten. Feminist discussion seems to be 'always' and 'everywhere'.
But I believe the contrary is true. Genuine discussion of feminist issues ended in the 1970s when one school came to dominate and moved to silence competing views both within the movement and outside.
Politically correct feminists maintain that women as a class are politically oppressed by men as a class, which means that every woman is oppressed by every man. Class oppression is the ideological lens through which PC feminism views all issues.
Tammy Bruce's book "The New Thought Police" (2001) received media buzz as a former insider's expose of how PC feminists smear their intellectual opponents in an attempt to silence and discredit them. For example, Bruce described how PC feminists led a campaign of defamation against the conservative Dr. Laura Schlessinger by misrepresenting her as homophobic.
Joan Garry, executive director of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, was quoted as saying, "If she can't be controlled, she must be stopped."
The PC treatment of heretics within feminism has been no less brutal. Indeed, heretics are commonly reviled more than infidels.
Consider Erin Pizzey.
In 1971, Pizzey opened the first battered wives shelter in England, which she ran until 1982. Arguably, the Chiswick Family Rescue was the second domestic violence shelter in the world. Pizzey's book "Scream Quietly or the Neighbours Will Hear" (1974, out of print) was one of the first to explore and expose wife battering.
Today, the shelter Pizzey founded denies her entry; her name does not appear in its official history.
Pizzey's 'mistake' was to diverge from the theory of domestic violence that feminists at the time insisted dominate all discussion. She believed that men could also be the victims of domestic violence, and that women could be as violent toward their partners as men.
Pizzey's views put her on a collision course with PC feminists who, according to Pizzey's own published account of events, initiated a campaign of harassment and violence against her.
Pizzey described this harassment in an article she published in the Scotsman in 1999.
"Because of my opposition to the hijacking of the refuge movement, I was a target for abuse. Anywhere I spoke there was a contingent of screaming, heckling feminists waiting for me," Pizzey wrote. "Abusive telephone calls to my home, death threats and bomb scares, became a way of living for me and for my family. Finally, the bomb squad, asked me to have all my mail delivered to their head quarters."
One night, the family dog was killed.
Eventually, "exhausted and disillusioned," Pizzey said she went into "exile with her children and grandchildren," leaving England in 1982 to live in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
Pizzey returned to England that same year for the book tour of her next book, "Prone to Violence," which once again ignited a violent reaction among feminists. Pizzey wrote that when she arrived in England for her book tour, she was "met with a solid wall of feminist demonstrators" carrying signs that read "ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS, ALL MEN ARE BATTERERS."
"The police insisted that I have an escort all round England for my book tour," Pizzey wrote in the Scotsman.
There is some reason to believe that "Prone to Violence" has been the target of a campaign of suppression by PC feminists. According to the web site Wikepedia, in 1996 an internet search of the world libraries that can be accessed through the Library of Congress uncovered only 13 listings for the book: an astonishingly low number for a pioneering work that caused a sensation.
Why would PC feminists nearly riot over a book and, then, ignore it?
Because Pizzey advanced a competing theory of domestic violence.
When viewed through the PC lens of class oppression, domestic violence is not an act of violence committed by one individual against another. It is an act committed by men that must be correctly understood within the larger context of women's class oppression.
"Prone to Violence" spelled out some of Pizzey's disagreements with that view.
Disagreement #1: Of the first 100 women who entered Chiswick, Pizzey found that over 60 percent were as violent or more violent than the men they were fleeing. In short, a significant percentage of the women were also batterers or otherwise active participants in the violence.
Disagreement #2: Pizzey developed the theory that many battered women were psychologically drawn to abusive relationships and they sought them out. To PC feminists, such analysis was tantamount to 'blaming the victim.'
Disagreement #3: She explained why the existing model of domestic violence shelters was ineffective. PC feminists were attempting then (and now) to secure ever greater financing for these operations. Sandra Horley, director of Chiswick in 1992, reportedly complained, "if we put across this idea that the abuse of men is as great as the abuse of women, then it could seriously affect our funding."
Pizzey may or may not have been correct; I believe she was and is.
Neverthless, her book drew upon over 10 years at the Chiswick shelter during which time Pizzey dealt with some 5,000 women and children.
"Prone to Violence" is an extremely early and honest overview of domestic violence from a woman with extensive experience of its daily realities. The book cried out to be taken seriously. At minimum, it deserved a thorough rebuttal from its PC feminist critics--not death threats directed at its author nor the ultimate silence it received.
Pizzey is not alone. In America, Suzanne Steinmetz -- author of the book "The Battered Husband" and a co-author of the much-cited "First National Family Violence Survey" -- experienced a similar drama. She and her children received death threats; an ACLU meeting at which she spoke received a bomb threat.
The reason: her research indicated that the rate at which men were victimized by domestic violence was similar to the rate for women.
In large and small ways -- from shrill protests to the tearing down of announcements, from blocking university promotions to threats and defamation -- PC feminism has attempted to stop voices it could not control.
Feminism is dying not from a backlash but from an orthodoxy that cannot tolerate real discussion...and never could.
Wendy McElroy is the editor of ifeminists.com and a research fellow for The Independent Institute in Oakland, Calif. She is the author and editor of many books and articles, including the new book, "Liberty for Women: Freedom and Feminism in the 21st Century" (Ivan R. Dee/Independent Institute, 2002). She lives with her husband in Canada.
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Love the Sinner but not the Sin.
(St. Augustine)
“ For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. “
(and within ourselves)
(Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)
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Re: Wendy firing on all six again.
Wendy of "Ifeminists" fame.. A good woman indeed!
These folk seem to be very inline with much MRM thinking, (legalising prostitution etc..) so that in itself is a good reason not to dismiss folk who label themselves "feminists", as labels are seldom of use I find.
To fully appreciate where a person is coming from, one needs to look at how they stand regards the variety of issues..
The old "DV" debate in the MRM seems to eternally centre around the idea that men must be given the same range of victim status opportunities as women..
When in fact, what is needed is to remove the phoney victim status from women!!
But, since when did the MRM operate on common sense principles?

Then again, perhaps sometimes a step backwards facilitates a step in the right direction when the bill is presented!
- 8th-June-2009 #3
Re: Wendy firing on all six again.
You answered your own query. Common sense requires logical reasoning, something absent in the art of feminism. One would not expect a bus to haul a ton of sod, it was not made for that. Females were made to live by emotion, not logic. Emotion is their strength, and feminism is the abuse of that strength in an attempt to replace logic for emotion, not unlike a homosexual that abuses his body in pretending to be something he is not. Homosexuals cannot have sex because they are of the same gender. Feminists cannot be logical, self-governing creatures because they are based on emotion and, at best, rely on their weakness to live as such.
Relying on a weakness as the basis for living is what feminists do and, demonstrably, they cannot get it together to anyone's benefit.
- 9th-June-2009 #4
Re: Wendy firing on all six again.
Hu? I might be getting you wrong Haahoo, but the way I see it tearing down the stereotype that men are always perpetrators is the other side of the coin. By highlighting the DV issue you attack both stereotypes as one can clearly see that women are as violent (which removes there victim only status).
Disclaimer:The men's and fathers' movement needs to make sure it never sees females as the enemy,but only misandry--whether from females or from males.If not, we'll become like the bigoted feminists that this movement was formed to oppose.Glenn Sacks
http://antimisandry.com/109272-post69.html
Blog:
http://feck-blog.blogspot.com/
Fecks Warcraft File:
http://antimisandry.com/chit-chat-ma...ile-16039.html
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Re: Wendy firing on all six again.
Most dv is mutual, and trivial..
That women are (at least) as violent as men matters not, it is the fact that they use the victim status to advantage that fuels the trade..
And the state allows this, to promote its family breaking agenda..
Giving men victim status to match womens, wont help men will it?
The state is clumsy and ineffective, and the lawyers suck it up..
- 9th-June-2009 #6
Re: Wendy firing on all six again.
Well not. The way I see it both existing stereotypes (men = perpetrators, women = victims) have to be destroyed, not reversed....balance.
Disclaimer:The men's and fathers' movement needs to make sure it never sees females as the enemy,but only misandry--whether from females or from males.If not, we'll become like the bigoted feminists that this movement was formed to oppose.Glenn Sacks
http://antimisandry.com/109272-post69.html
Blog:
http://feck-blog.blogspot.com/
Fecks Warcraft File:
http://antimisandry.com/chit-chat-ma...ile-16039.html
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Re: Wendy firing on all six again.
One can play some very clever strategic games with the DV system, that give a gent good advantages..
It is simply a matter of being smarter than the woman.. Which, of course is pretty easy!
Playing the victim game is no good, but having witnesses is pretty useful!!
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Re: Wendy firing on all six again.
Destroying the myths is easy.
It is what to do when the truth is know that is the issue..
Fact is, men give women the pussy pass, always have, always will..
- 9th-June-2009 #9
Re: Wendy firing on all six again.
Okay....as far as I understood the myths haven´t been destroyed by now. So you do not critisize the progress to destroy them, but, but, heck am I the only one who doesn´t get you.
Disclaimer:The men's and fathers' movement needs to make sure it never sees females as the enemy,but only misandry--whether from females or from males.If not, we'll become like the bigoted feminists that this movement was formed to oppose.Glenn Sacks
http://antimisandry.com/109272-post69.html
Blog:
http://feck-blog.blogspot.com/
Fecks Warcraft File:
http://antimisandry.com/chit-chat-ma...ile-16039.html
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Re: Wendy firing on all six again.
Doubling the number of DV "victims" would be the likely result, no good for anyone, if men were to get the "victim status" to match womens whiney claims..
What is needed is to REDUCE the perverse incentives to claim DV advantage for women, NOT equal it for men!!
- 13th-June-2009 #11
- 13th-June-2009 #12
- 13th-June-2009 #13
Re: Wendy firing on all six again.
I like the way the UK is asking for all safe houses to be available to men and women.
I spoke with an amazing female the other day. Her story shows how families can get through it all from her helping to raise her husbands 5 children (step children) and all their issues with an unhealthy biological mother to raising their own and now being a grandmother of her 14 year old step daughters son.
She decided to give her experience in life to the social causes and did a social degree.
When asked where she wanted to be placed she said with 'refugees' but someone read the paperwork wrong and she ended up working in the (women's) refuges for the Baptist church.
A man needed help with his children so she placed him in one of their safe houses. But the church started jumping up and down saying, "We care for women only here and the police take care of the men".
But she stood her ground and argued for her move. The church workers told her the normal lies of female victims fear and she came back with, "They all have boyfriends still and they all sneak out to sleep with them".
Naively, the church stated the women were on DPB but she came back with, "And sooo, ..... what's the matter with you?"
I think it is wonderful to start getting some women who are life experienced into these roles. There is a lot of retraining needed.
Last edited by julie; 13th-June-2009 at 06:24 AM.
Ignorance is the Oppressor, Vigilance the Liberator.
- 13th-June-2009 #14
Re: Wendy firing on all six again.
Nice one Jools. It is heartening to hear about sensible people giving the loonies a serve of truth.
Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum
Love the Sinner but not the Sin.
(St. Augustine)
“ For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. “
(and within ourselves)
(Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)
A Feminist is a human being who has lost her way and turned vicious.
If you meet one on the road as you Go your Own Way,
offer kindness but keep your sword drawn.
(Me)
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Re: Wendy firing on all six again.
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