Shanahan said he was struck by the loss of personal integrity required by individuals to carry out "don't ask, don't tell."
"Everyone was living a big lie — the homosexuals were trying to hide their sexual orientation and the commanders were looking the other way because they didn't want to disrupt operations by trying to enforce the law," he said.

For a man to be a fully rounded human being, he MUST see his integrity for what it is. The centre of his 'being' in the world. Far too many don't even know the meaning of the word. Perhaps the most clear expression of its loss is shown in Policemen and Politicians and Judges. I am pleased to see a Military Commander at last pay some attention to it.

in the heat of battle the gays would never leave their buddies behind

Sorry,
The piece, as written, doesn't even come CLOSE to supporting the
conclusion implied in the title of the piece by AP writer ANNE FLAHERTY.

I wonder what those folks cited ACTUALLY said?
I wonder how they came to their conclusions?
I wonder what the boots on the ground, in the air, and on the decks
ACTUALLY had to say about the matter?

Most of the dozen or so people I know in the US Army wouldn't really care if someone in their unit was gay. I don't know why the issue of trust came up in the article, how does being gay make you untrustworthy?

When the bullets and mortar rounds are dropping nobody gives us a Crap about your Skin color, Religion, Sexual Preference. All that matters is can you be counted on when the shit hits the Fan? Gays are at great risk if we lose the fight with Radical Islam. They hang Gay Teens in Iran and execute them in Shia held Iraq.

We need everyone who will fight and who can accomplish the Mission. Thats the long and short of it.

Homosex Ephebophile Warrior Cults like the Nazis, Spartans, Taliban...

All serve as grim warnings of the Evil of infiltrating Homo-Anal Coprophiles in to the Military. Of course the Rank Raw Misandry that is the shared common bond of Dykes is just as great a threat to Male Soldiers, who still make up over 98% of all fatalaties.


Knowing UC-BS (University of CA at Goleta - location of the Rosy Palm Center) as I do, one must wonder if Any Non Feminist / Non Homoses Men's Rights Advocates are referenced in their 'studies', let alone allowed work at the center...


- or if the Campus Feminazi Thought Police (real ones, with guns and badges - who enforce Misandrist Ideology in the Community at large) are keeping them excluded and censored from discussions in the name of 'free speech' & 'tolerance'??


As is their own 'Tradition' of Academentia



Ohso
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutoinary act. George Orwell
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Military Study Ignores Homosexual Conductn (FRC)
News outlets are reporting that a study by some retired military officers has concluded that the ban on homosexuals in the military should be lifted. However, this study is hardly impartial, given that its sponsor was the "Michael D. Palm Center."

Palm was a homosexual activist who died of AIDS, and the sole purpose of the center is to overturn the existing law on homosexuals in the military.

Like most reports on the issue, this one blurs the distinction between Bill Clinton's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" compromise and the law adopted by Congress, which excludes homosexuals from the military altogether. Many of the problems the report describes result from the presence of homosexuals in the military due to the mistaken belief that they are "allowed to serve," but not "openly," when in fact they should never have been able to enlist.

The authors assume that the sole reason for believing that homosexuals threaten "morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion" is the negative attitude of heterosexuals, when it is the actual conduct of homosexuals that is of greatest concern.

Ironically, the military is already struggling with the problem of sexual harassment at the service academies. If this is a problem between the sexes, whose housing facilities are separate, it can only be multiplied when heterosexuals and homosexuals are forced to live together.
(FRC 7/9/08)

98% Omitted

Misandry (Hatred of Men) has become such as staple of government, media and particularly the pathetic farce that passes itself as academentia; that it resembles fluoride in the water supply, and is far less frequently remarked upon. This can be clearly seen in the way Male Death and Injury is Discounted in reporting by these entities, and correspondingly concern for the welfare of Womyn (meaning funding of Radical Feminist Misandrists; not other Women, whose voices don’t count) is given Priority in legislation, law and social programs solely because of gender

Comparison of recent media stories from a number of sources (including the soon to be sold to the highest bidder Knight Ridder chain) show the often subtle and even quite overt censorship (an apparent oxymoron, but not for the net savvy) employed to spin the subject of the Huge Disparity in both Life Expectancy and other issues related to Male Death. Regardless of the facts, the spin is always to show Bad Men as Evil Male Oppressors because they are Male.

Thus Men deserve to die because Men are Bad. By contrast, if the Men Perish while Doing Good, then it is “Ungood” to even mention their Male Gender and only a generic title will serve… Like the World Trade Center, where 343 N.Y. Firemen Didn’t Die, just a bunch of ‘firefighters’. Indeed, in the book "Women at Ground Zero" written by two Dyke Hatemongers from Weimar Kalifornia - one Psychodyke spoke of bouncing off the walls with rage after the collapse of the Towers - not because these Brave Firemen Died... but because the media were referring to them as Males, Men and Firemen.

The goal is to bury the fact of Male Death inside Gender Neutral Terms - and spin the result as 'feminist equality' - These Dykes didn't want an Equal Number of Womyn to die - Just One. That way the death of so many Men could be covered up with gender neutral terms like 'firefighters' - and the notion that Men have any Positive Qualities Carefully Avoided - lest we be 'intolerant'.

This widespread media policy of promoting Misandry BAMN (by any means necessary) includes long term scams like reporting on Life Expectancy, and spinning it to claim that White Citizens outlive Black Citizens, even when publishing graphs alongside showing that while indeed Caucasian Women have the Longest Life Spans; that Black Women come in second; ahead of all Men. For decades such graphs have proven the racist headlines a lie, and clearly shown that Women Live Longer than Men - Regardless of Color The scam is to claim that because among Men, Caucasians live longer than Blacks (both a minority in their respective races) this Translates in stark Black & White Terms for All, and discussion of the realities of “Ungood” Gender Factors is thus avoided.

Sometimes, even our myopic media watchdogs catch on to their mistake of providing “Ungood” graphs to readers, and avoid publishing any that might highlight huge imbalances in Male / Female Death ratios (say in the Military, or as with Capital Punishment), particularly when they are already trying to spin the Sacrifice in a ‘Gender Neutral’ terms. For example, on 10/26/05 both the Knight Ridder group & Chronicle ran articles marking the “Unofficial Tally” of the “U.S. Military Death Toll” reaching the round number of 2000. Both papers supplied numerous graphs from the A.P Wirehead service showing breakdowns of Death by such categories as: Branch, Location, Month, Cause & Age, Ethnicity, Home State… of the Fallen.

In fact, the only Major Category for which No Graph Appears – is Gender. The Knight Ridder chain story (from L.A. Times: D. Smith & P.J. Huffstutter) actually does mention the Gender Death Ratio – In the Very Last Paragraph on an Inside (an old trick of Thought Policing) page: “A typical military mortality is an Army Enlisted Man (98% of the dead have been male) in his 20s…Whites, Blacks, Latinos and Asian Americans dying in numbers roughly proportionate to their share in the U.S. Population.”

The Frisco Crock-a-bull / SF Chronicle (M. Stannard) published many of the same A.P graphs in their cover story, but omitted any direct mention of the 98% / 2% Gender breakdown, although it did mention: “…the increased number of Women among the dead…” when compared to the Vietnam war. While Omitting the Actual Numbers from Vietnam (@ 8000 Men Dead per Woman), the ‘Crock’ did offer a quote, from a ‘University Sociologist’ no less (D. Segal) that provided the proper gender neutral spin to the story of the Voteless 19 year old Male Conscripts who made up the Majority of ‘Casualties’ in Vietnam, by saying:

“In the Draft, we had a revolving door of young people coming in and either getting killed or leaving." Actually, it is rather kind of the Crock to allow Men Conscripted because of Gender to be referred to as Young People, especially when the Old Media Knight Ridder chain still refers to them as “Male Chauvinist Pigs”… Even if it does avoid mention of just which gender is still subject to conscription, and which gender still fills up the vast majority of body bags.

One reference to Gender of ‘Casualties’ I have found is a recent propaganda piece circulated by the Old Media Misandry Propagandist Ellen Goodman - September 29, 2005 When War Brings Out Our Worst - In the Iraq War, women have been elevated to the superheroine status like Jessica Lynch and lowered to supervillain status like Lynndie England. But 40 women have been killed and 400 wounded... which of course fails to mention or compare Male Casualty numbers. Nor does it mention Pregnancy Evacuations, which many speculate about but not many in the media apparently…
One of the very Few Media argicles to discuss the subject said: Pregnant troops leave the war; Central Command not counting - The Washington Times: Nation/Politics - June 16, 2004 By Rowan Scarborough - U.S. Central Command is not tracking the number of troops who must leave the Iraq war theater due to pregnancy, prompting military advocates to charge the Pentagon wants to keep secret what could be an embarrassing statistic. "We're definitely not tracking it," said a spokesman for U.S. Central Command, which runs the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. "I've been attending operations briefings for two years, and I don't think I have heard once that pregnancy has come up."

Lt. Col. Pamela Hart, an Army spokeswoman at the Pentagon, said the Army does chart the number of women who choose to leave the service because of pregnancy, but does not release information on those who exit a war theater. Army regulations forbid pregnant soldiers from staying in the field. "The Army reporting is in general terms, reflecting [Defense Department] guidance," Col. Hart said. "We give you general numbers. That's designed to protect the rights of women, soldiers and the organization."

Funny – Knight Ridder published a story by ‘reporter’ Drew Brown on 01/08/2006 | Illness, injuries take most troops away from battle; which claimed to discuss the various forms of casualties evacuated from overseas, and even provided Graphs – to help the readers understand. Not a word about Pregnancy (despite estimates ranging from 500 – 5000+ per year) being used as a tool to escape duty in dangerous or not very fun areas, found anywhere in the article.

But then why would they even want to mention it, they have to “Protect the Rights of Women, Soldiers and the Organization” too – and there is certainly no room or time for minor concerns like 98% Male Death rates, when such important ‘Womyn’s’ Gender Rights are on the front line.

Best keep quiet about it though – Ellen Goodman might get mad at you Male Chauvinist Pigs… And then you would be in at least 98% trouble.

Ohso
Not merely the validity of experience but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. George Orwell – 1984 On the Thought Police.

You may have seen an AP news story yesterday saying that a "California-based research center" had concluded that the presence of gays in the military won't undermine military effectiveness, and urged Congress to repeal its "don't ask, don't tell" law.

But as James Taranto of the Wall Street Journal points out, what the AP did not tell us is that this "research center" is headed by a man who, according to the Center's own website, is "a staunch supporter of civil rights in the gay community."

It turns out the site is devoted to opposing the ban on open homosexuality in the military, a salient fact the AP conveniently forgets to tell us.

Nope, no bias here.

(IVA)
(Study: Military gays don't undermine unit cohesion - Yahoo! News)

From the AP Story: "To support its contention, the panel points to the British and Israeli militaries, where it says gay people serve openly"

Hmmm.. Just read a story today that said over half of the British Military is ready to quit the service...

Must be the heterosexual pikers wanting out - Homosex Storm Troopers just loved their time in the uniforms...

Gays are at huge risk of death of the Islamic struggle over the West results in capitulation and submission to Islam. The Iranian Government plans to stone 9 people to death this week. And Gays are hung in Iran, and executed by Sharia Law in Iraq today. Gays should be allowed to serve. There will be unit cohesion issues if Gays hit on Straight Men. But their lives are at risk and they have a right to defend this Republic and their rights.

[quote=khankrumthebulgar;87160]Gays... Gays... Gays... Gays hit on Straight Men."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Straight Men???
Meaning the rigidly linear and unbending victims of "Ism-Obia" who reject the intrinsically aberrant, degrading and objectively disordered hatreds and perversions that make up the Radical Gender Feminist / Homosex agenda???

Or was it just a slur at Non Homo-Anal Coprophile Males??

BTW - What do you consider to be the effect on Unit Morale to include specially privileged members of the Coprophile Cult of Feces Focused Homo-Anal Perversions?

Would they all become more 'gay' (meaning lighthearted and happy) - or would we have to come up with another sanitized and misleading euphemism - because 'gay' has already been trashed by perverts???

Best keep quiet about it though, wouldn't want to spread any "Ism-Obia", what with every thing else going around and all.

Ohso
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

Forwarded for your information by the California Commission on the Status of Women:

The Women's Caucus is hosting a very important expert panel discussion next Tuesday, August 5, 2008 from 2-4 pm in the State Capitol Building Room 447. After many months of planning, we are convening an expert panel to discuss Women in the Military and mental health issues specific to our women vets. Representatives from the Department of Defense, the VA, National Guard and county mental health agencies will be addressing the topics of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and Military Sexual Trauma. Please prioritize this on your calendars.

If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me at your convenience either via e-mail or in my office.


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Inside every man, hetero, gay, and all shades of expression, is a masculinity that is his core. MOST men do not dig deep enough to find it. It takes 'circumstance'. We settle for a 'comfortable' pseudo-masculine. Our 'niche'. Somewhere near the surface.

I was watching a part-doco, part-'reality' show on TV the other week, on the French Foreign Legion. It was following a dozen 'volunteers', ordinary blokes, undergoing Legion training conducted by four ex-legionnaires (An American, a German and a Frenchman and an Englishman)

Although a television program it was nonetheless rigourous.

Ego, in the form of their usual likes and dislikes, was soon confronted and with great difficulty left behind, but all hung onto that 'individual' drive and personal ideosyncracies often to the point of self-defeating. But the slow stripping away of their pseudo-masculinity was pronounced.

The 'theory' was that they did not exist as a 'person'. Being an individual, thinking, wanting, prefering, was to be completely put aside. 'Don't Think; Do as we tell you".

We all know that from military training - either having done it or heard of it. But this was extreme. I have worked with SAS and Ghurkas, both of which are tough as tough. But the Legion is 'out there'.

One of the better chaps, one who 'dug deep', was a TV. In 'civvie street' he pranced around in wigs and dresses. He was a hairdresser ! hahaha. Really. The others had various occupations and 'reputations' as bovver boys or IT specialists or Debt collectors and whathaveyou. One was from a long line of military men. They all were forced to dig deep. Most found things deep within that astonished them.

It was the hairdresser/TV chap that became the model to all the others. He wasn't put up as a success by the Directing Staff. Quite the opposite. He was treated to the same contempt and bizarre, impossible expectation as the others. He was Recognised by his peers as the most 'masculine' in that deep, Core, sense. There was an Integrity there. A wholeness. A completeness.

It was just glimpsed of course. As most glimpsed in themselves by the end of the weeks.

The training they undertook was horrific. We are talking of 19 hour days in blistering heat in the desert. Several men were medivac'd out. Company punishment for the faults of individuals was the norm. Any infraction or failure by one meant hours of pain and exhaustion for all. Continuous, mindless toil.

Over the weeks they were 'rendered' and formed a deep sense of cohesion and power. They were doing things that most men would find completely impossible. Impossible in the sense that most men would simply give up. They wanted to give up. They could walk out at any time. They had simply to ring a bell on a post.

Several times men who were failing were marched to the bell and taunted. They were told to ring the bell. The others were told to shun them while they did punishment on his behalf. They were ridiculed and accused. The pressure to quit was enormous.

There was one anecdote told while I watched these men 'doing' an assault course. (I used to love running assault courses when younger). In Guyana the Legion has a particularly brutal course in the jungle. The fastest time any legion Company had run the course was 45 minutes. The next fastest time by a non-Legion group was of American Marines who took 7 hours!

The Militaries in our Democracies train poorly. They select poorly. They have poor 'Esprit'. This is a generalisation, of course. But pretty uniformly we have Forces which elevate the 'Hero'. Ego is a noticeable component. Psuedo-masculinity is the norm. A small range of pseudo-masculinities are permitted but deep, hard-found masculinity is rare.

Hubris is the main motivator.

Just as with Feminists.

Real, deep masculinity is barely sought. Many of the components of deep masculinity manage to come through in time but are treated in the manner of a charicature. The tough Sgt Maj. The 'Leader' with the square jaw. Non-approved variants of 'men' are generally treated with contempt by men who barely know their own masculinity.

They protesteth too much.

Gay men are men, first. They can find that same deep masculinity, just as hetero men can. It's major component is Integrity. It is not a 'personal' thing. It is not an Ego thing. It is a Transcendant thing. It is a human thing. It defines.

This obsession with soap and bums has no place in the mind and behaviour of soldiers. It has no place in the deep masculinity. It is the surface stuff of pseudo.

What is needed is a different - wholly different - approach to 'Military' by the Military, and by civilians.