Quote from Garak

Dating is legal prostitution. Working to support a women who repays you in sex is legal prostitution. Only the most obvious form of prostitution is illegal.

That suggests that the only thing a man could get from a woman of any value is sex.. Which, if that is how he feels about it.. Indeed.. he may as well "invest in the best!"..

Personally, I'd rather pay for dinner and housework off the good lady..

But, I pay them in sex.. They seem happy with that deal!

That reminds me.. I have an indian waiting for me tonight.. But I will be expected to service the lady who cooks it.. hmm.. I wonder if I can pretend I have headache and fall asleep afterwards?

Quote from felixblue

That suggests that the only thing a man could get from a woman of any value is sex.. Which, if that is how he feels about it.. Indeed.. he may as well "invest in the best!"..

Personally, I'd rather pay for dinner and housework off the good lady..

But, I pay them in sex.. They seem happy with that deal!

That reminds me.. I have an indian waiting for me tonight.. But I will be expected to service the lady who cooks it.. hmm.. I wonder if I can pretend I have headache and fall asleep afterwards?

It certainly isn't the only thing of value a woman can offer but it is their currency in a marriage where the mans currency is labor. In my opinion, that is why the most straightforward form of prostitution was illegal, to protect the legal form of it.

The womenz republic of Grand Britania will never accept non union labour.

Quote from felixblue

Reducing the human sexual relationship down to the level of being just like another item on the shopping list.. Has an effect on people and on societies..
When sex becomes so obviously a commodity.. What hope is there for good marraige? Good relationships? Fidelity?
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Do we want to see the ruin of young women en masse?

I think you may be wildly overestimating the amount of prostitution that goes on in places where it is legal.

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The main benefit of legalisation is public health.

Here in Oz (in the state I am in), sex work is legal but workers must register themselves. You don't need a license, but you must register, and must be regularly screened for STDs. Certain acts (sex without a condom/dam) are illegal. The distinction is crucial: a person has a right to sell sex services, but no person has a right to make of themselves a threat to public health.

Another benefit is to the workers and customers themselves - not having to deal with a seedy criminal underclass. The brothels are legit businesses. The main problem in the sex industry in Oz is asian people-smugglers who essentially enslave the girls. It's terrible, but by its nature there's a limit to it. Most customers can go to a safe, legal brothel or to a private worker and that's all there is to it. A second problem is drugs, which are indeed pretty rife. Prostitution attracts two types of women - women who are sensible people out to make a living, and people desperately in need of cash with no particular skills. Drug addicts, in other words. It's terrible, but criminalisation of the work doesn't help anyone. Having a business owner who wants to stay on the right side of the law is way, way more effective.

Quote from FloatyBoaty

Keeping prostitution illegal doesn't keep people from doing it, but it does create a boundary. It says, "this is bad". Which means fewer are likely to do it than if there was no law.

So what? Why is this a worthwhile goal?

Here in Oz (in the state I am in), sex work is legal but workers must register themselves.

So are wives included? Perhaps they should be. But what if they can prove they have only one customer - i.e. the husband?
So what's this all about? Pussy is a commodity so must be registered so that the gubbinmunt can control it and tax it?
What if the loyal wife, who is exempted from registration fees, does a little free-lancing on the side? Licence revoked?

Dating is legal prostitution. Working to support a women who repays you in sex is legal prostitution. Only the most obvious form of prostitution is illegal.

Yes Garak, but why argue the toss over the minor details?
Felixblue suggests that dinner, housework and laundry services (all of which must be paid for) constitute a better deal. Really?

Having a business owner who wants to stay on the right side of the law is way, way more effective.

The law?? We've already seen what "the law" does to men, and we are not impressed.
This discussion just quibbles about parameters that most men would see as total garbage.
Sexual contracts between men and women are not the business of government, feminist lobby groups or any other democratic-voting wanker that feels his/her opinion is really, really important.

Who really gives f**k about what's 'legal'?

People look out for themselves. Employing a lawyer, and believing in 'justice' is a last resort.

Quote from MrWombat

So what? Why is this a worthwhile goal?

Are you saying it isn't?

Prostitution has been around since before the Pyramids and it will be here after we've perished.

If prostitution is legalized, then you better believe that it will be taxed to kingdom come!

The australian example is good evidence indeed of how it DOESNT work as well!

There are two types of whores..

Those who work in the "legal" sector..

And those who sell it much cheaper in the "old style" sector..

And I guess, not everyone can afford a "professional" pro..

Quote from FloatyBoaty

Are you saying it isn't?

Yup.

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Quote from Yan Yan

So are wives included? Perhaps they should be. But what if they can prove they have only one customer - i.e. the husband?

So what's this all about? Pussy is a commodity so must be registered so that the gubbinmunt can control it and tax it?

God, you are being deliberately dense.

All businesses are taxed. Gubbinmunt (you know - paving the roads, paying the police and firemen, paying health inspectors to make sure the restaurants are not putting rat in the pies, and a jillion other things that you take for granted) needs revenue. Why should prostitution go untaxed when selling fruit and vegetables isn't? After all - everyone needs to eat, and veggies are good for you.

No, wives are not included. Marital sex and housework is not taxed, and no-one is suggesting it should be, apart from you. Hire someone to clean your home - taxed. You and your family do it - not taxed. It's only libertarians who pretend they can't see the distinction.

Quote from Yan Yan

Who really gives f**k about what's 'legal'?

Usually, people who don't want our courts clogged up with bullshit non-crimes like paying someone for a tugjob.

Don't forget to grow up - High School does come to an end, dude.

Quote from felixblue

The australian example is good evidence indeed of how it DOESNT work as well!

There are two types of whores..

Those who work in the "legal" sector..

And those who sell it much cheaper in the "old style" sector..

And I guess, not everyone can afford a "professional" pro..

You are right in pointing out even if something is legal there will still be a black market for people who want to bypass restrictions or get it cheaper. Cigarettes are legal in the UK but because they are so expensive now many buy their tabs illegally to get them cheaper (even though illegal tabs are are even greater risk to health).

But it's better than having it criminalized completely and sending the entire business underground where organised crime will seize the opportunity and crime will soar.

Originally Posted by Yan Yan
Who really gives f**k about what's 'legal'?


Usually, people who don't want our courts clogged up with bullshit non-crimes like paying someone for a tugjob.

Agree. UK prisons are already overcrowded I don't see how filling them to bursting point with adults who safely engaged in prostiution is going to help society.

If anything the way forward should be looking at how we can get the prison population down.

What two consenting adults do and the price they charge for it is surely their own business?

In the UK, prostitution is "legal".. But most methods of getting business are not!!

I really think it should be discouraged as much as possible, but I do draw the line at "criminalising" the actual act of selling sex in this way.. But I do not approve of the state, or any other pimps, profitting from the transaction..

Quote from felixblue

What two consenting adults do and the price they charge for it is surely their own business?

In the UK, prostitution is "legal".. But most methods of getting business are not!!

I really think it should be discouraged as much as possible, but I do draw the line at "criminalising" the actual act of selling sex in this way.. But I do not approve of the state, or any other pimps, profitting from the transaction..

Prostiution itself is legal in the UK. But the following acts aren't: pimping, brothels (running a brothel, not working in one), streetwalking, kerbcrawling, soliciting and paying for services of a prositute who is a victim of trafficking (even if the client was unaware).

That means callgirls/escorting is pretty much the only legal way to do such business in the UK. Not that that's a bad thing I personally think escorting is the safest way especially today and in recent years with internet bookings which give the escort control over which clients to see (clients have to make bookings, and the escort can read the clients feedback made from other escorts then decide to accept booking or not). Many escorts are independant and don't have a pimp as such (although some employ a driver who doubles as security- a driver will take a callgirl to a client and wait on her).

That means if a client was abusive towards a prostitute she would leave him negative feedback with a relevant comment which would warn others not to accept a booking from him. This is clearly very valuable in keeping prostitutes safe and the closure of such websites would take away this safety net.

Mr Womabat;

God, you are being deliberately dense

Don't forget to grow up - High School does come to an end, dude.

Wow! That has to be the very best negative comment that I've ever received from an ignorant moron that lives in his own tiny little western word.
Grow up? I have wives and ex-wives; six children and four grandchildren. All my allies. I rest my case.

As for the silly perjoratve term "dude" ; Why would an Austrialian man use a slang American term, unless he's indoctrimated and thought it would lend him a little more credibility and influence on the internet. Beats me?

We need to hear much more from Mr Wombat. Where has he been and what has he done? Do his contributions have any value?

Quote from YellowRobin

Prostiution itself is legal in the UK. But the following acts aren't: pimping, brothels (running a brothel, not working in one), streetwalking, kerbcrawling, soliciting and paying for services of a prositute who is a victim of trafficking (even if the client was unaware).

That means callgirls/escorting is pretty much the only legal way to do such business in the UK. Not that that's a bad thing I personally think escorting is the safest way especially today and in recent years with internet bookings which give the escort control over which clients to see (clients have to make bookings, and the escort can read the clients feedback made from other escorts then decide to accept booking or not). Many escorts are independant and don't have a pimp as such (although some employ a driver who doubles as security- a driver will take a callgirl to a client and wait on her).

That means if a client was abusive towards a prostitute she would leave him negative feedback with a relevant comment which would warn others not to accept a booking from him. This is clearly very valuable in keeping prostitutes safe and the closure of such websites would take away this safety net.

Sounds like dating.. The prices are high though, punters getting ripped off and more and more women being told the way to get through life is by selling your body for sex..