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    Parkies ordered to stop and quiz adults spotted without children

    From the Daily Mail: Parkies ordered to stop and quiz adults spotted without children

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    They are one of the few remaining refuges from the hustle and bustle of urban life - the perfect spot for a sandwich away from the office or a gentle stroll in the fresh air.

    Except, it appears in Telford, Shropshire, where park staff have been ordered to stop and quiz people using the town's park who are not accompanied by a child.

    They face having to explain what they are doing in the park and could be thrown out by park wardens or reported to police if they remained unconvinced.

    The local council - which manages the 170 hectare Telford Town Park - says the policy is a 'common sense approach' aimed at safeguarding children using the park and follows similar guidance to staff at its leisure centres and libraries.

    A spokesman said only those deemed to be 'acting suspiciously' would be stopped and questioned.

    But park users accused it of 'authoritarian madness' and said the ruling risked panicking parents about the dangers children faced from potential paedophiles.

    The policy came to light after two environmental campaigners dressed as penguins were thrown out of the park last month when caught handing out leaflets on climate change.

    Telford & Wrekin Council said Rachel Whittaker and Neil Donaldson were ejected because they had not undergone Criminal Records Bureau checks or risk assessments before entering the park - a requirement under the Child Protection Act.

    David Ottley, Telford & Wrekin’s sports and recreation manager, said in a letter to a member of the public over that issue: 'Our Town Park staff approach adults that are not associated with any children in the Town Park and request the reason for them being there.

    'In particular, this applies to those areas where children or more vulnerable groups gather, such as play facilities and the entrances to play areas. This is a child safety precautionary measure which members of staff will continue to undertake as and when necessary.'

    Miss Whittaker, 34, from Wellington, near Telford, said the policy carried a 'dangerous implication that if you have a child with you than everything is okay and you won't be questioned.'

    She added: 'It is dangerous as well as frightening people, it could start a hysterical society and punishes people who have done nothing wrong while giving an outlet for those with sinister motives a way of getting around it.'

    Park user Edna Pearson, 70, part-time pub worker, yesterday said the policy was 'over the top'.

    Mrs Pearson said: 'It's the men you feel sorry for - unless you have got a dog with you, you cannot go for a walk anywhere on your own any more.

    'Kids shouldn't be left by themselves anyway and some paedophiles have children with them.'

    Former childcare social worker John Evans said: 'It is authoritarian madness which can only be based on ignorance. It is absurd, it is insulting and what’s more it is dangerous as it panics people about the dangers their children face.'

    Adrian Voce, director of Play England, a lottery-funded branch of the National Children's Bureau which advises local authorities on child play provision, said the policy appeared 'odd' and the authority's guidance to park wardens may have been 'excessively cautious'.

    The park, situated close to the town centre, is the only staffed park in the borough and is well used by office workers in their lunch hours. It also has a popular children's play area, woodland walks and a mini road train for families to enjoy.

    Ron Odunayia, Director of Community Services at the council, said: 'We are not talking about a blanket policy covering everybody who enjoys our Town Park.

    'However, if someone is acting in a suspicious manner or acting in an inappropriate way then, of course, our staff reserve the right to asks questions.

    'Our approach is in certain circumstances where an individual’s behaviour is deemed strange or suspicious rather than as a general rule.'

    Councillor Denis Allen, cabinet member for community services, added that as landowner of the park, the Tory-run authority had child protection responsibilities and a duty of care.

    He said anyone approached would be treated 'sensitively, and in a fair and even-handed manner', but confirmed that the police or child protection services would be informed, if appropriate.




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    Re: Parkies ordered to stop and quiz adults spotted without children

    If I decide to go for a walk in the park, or anywhere else, and I'm approached by some two-bit wanker in a blazer asking me why I'm there, he/she will be told to royally fuck off, it's none of their business. They might be encouraged to ask people, but it isn't against the law to tell some nosey arsehole to get the fuck out your face before you knock them out, OK, it might be, but I would definitely put up a fight as to why I was being questioned, and would expect most people to.
    It just gives those with name badges a little bit more power to annoy people with.


     
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    Re: Parkies ordered to stop and quiz adults spotted without children

    The madness of government agents never ceases to amaze me. I mean, do bureaucrats and politicians have a secret screwball pool in which they try to see who can come up with the wackiest law each year?

    So much evil is done in society in the name of protecting people, especially women and children, that it is unspeakable. I don't really care if this park regulation causes a panic among parents. I care about how this affects the childless, especially men. So if you are childless for whatever reason- barren, tragic death, child kidnapped by criminals, child kidnapped by government (read: criminals), child kidnapped by ex via family court (read: criminals), can't afford children, etc.- then you are barred from enjoying a nature walk in a park that your taxes pay for? Either that or you have to get a criminal background check just to go for a walk! If I weren't so numb already, I would be beside myself with rage.

    Just out of curiosity, do the government thugs that enforce this draconian law have to be parents and have their children with them while working in the park? My feeling is that the real reason Western countries are losing their liberties is that agents of the state are trampling on their countries' constitutions in the name of "doing their jobs". They commit an act of treachery every time they enforce such wickedness.

    Finally, perhaps we need a new word to describe discrimination against childless people. Parentaphilic? Childism?



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    Re: Parkies ordered to stop and quiz adults spotted without children

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    if someone is acting in a suspicious manner
    If you are minding your own business you cannot be acting suspiciously, but you can be suspected. Only the park keepers are acting suspiciously. To act suspiciously, you must be suspicious of something. The park-keepers are the ones who are suspicious of the others.

    Did these Councillors never study Grammar? Silly question.

    They should re-name the place 'Nosey Park'.

    It reminds me of the Squire who came home unexpectedly and found his wife bonking the gardener. She said, "You are surprised?". He said, "No madam, it is you who are surprised. I am astonished".



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    Re: Parkies ordered to stop and quiz adults spotted without children

    I think all blokes that live in Telford should go mill about the Town Park on a regular basis every day until they remove this riduculas state control.
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