Sad... I've been there, done that. Ummm, gee, well, shite.... it's a men's masturbating site.

May I ask what part you want to play in our world? Perhaps its my son's world for I have adult children?

You can contribute well if you focus on what you want to achieve....

Feminism has been very successful in redefining many words, such as rape, equality, fairness, and one more word that has a 'feminist stench' about it is 'independent woman'. When words like that are used, it is understandable - at least within the realm of the MRM -for some, if not many, to assume you're using it from a feminist perspective and therefore you just might be a feminist sympathizer in the midst.

I would put it down to a bit of a misunderstanding.

However, as far as telling you that you can't claim to be independent while living under identical circumstances as many men, who we can assume are fine to claim themselves as independent, that is a double standard for sure.

I was invited to the spearhead soon after it started up by a fine chap who was a regular here by the ID of John Dias. I met a few other fine chaps who I recall used to post here..

Pretty soon, I got bored of the place.. I don't really like that format..

Folks limited to commenting on "articles".. Restrictive..

Paul Elam had a tantrum with me about taking the piss out of his "zeta male" concept.. I don't think he knew me very well and assumed I was just one of the usual tossers who like to rip everyones ideas up just for the sake of it..

Well, no, I do that in order that they can come back with something that isn't so easy to rip up! (Though the MRM is full of terminally unfinished ideas and concepts that just hang there waiting for the loose ends to be tied up..)

Like Julie says, the place looks like a mens wanking shop.. Intellectual masturbators paradise, and there are other sites like that which I won't mention!

They talk and talk and pontificate. About things that its clear many of them have only a very limited knowledge of... And at the end of the day.. They achieve what?..

A good way of persuading blokes that the world is so horrible to men that men would be better off building a log cabin from what they have consumed and hiding in that for the rest of eternity..

Or holing up in their mothers basement, attic rooms, and spending all their time researching the many ways men can be bummered..

When was the last time a man claimed to be "independant?".. I never hear it said by any group other than women..

Every man knows how we all depend on each other.. And those folks who refine their own fuel, tow their own.. whatever..

I hope they also dig the ore from the ground, to fashion the tools they need to do these things..

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Sad... I've been there, done that. Ummm, gee, well, shite.... it's a men's masturbating site.

May I ask what part you want to play in our world? Perhaps its my son's world for I have adult children?

You can contribute well if you focus on what you want to achieve....

I really don't think the Spearhead is just a "masturbating site" as you put it. True, the posts are not the same as here, but for those who've been greatly wronged I expect to find articles against feminism/most women. I'm not bothered by ranting...sometimes it needs to be done for sanity sake.
As for what part I'd like to play...well, I'm a very good listener, and I tend to understand men-speak better than woman-speak. (Hence, my friends are all male.)Thus, I'd eventually like to help men who need a real ear to turn to their issues, and be someone who can be trusted. I'm unsure of how old your children are, but I'm 25, so "my" world may be "their" world?

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Feminism has been very successful in redefining many words, such as rape, equality, fairness, and one more word that has a 'feminist stench' about it is 'independent woman'. When words like that are used, it is understandable - at least within the realm of the MRM -for some, if not many, to assume you're using it from a feminist perspective and therefore you just might be a feminist sympathizer in the midst.

I would put it down to a bit of a misunderstanding.

However, as far as telling you that you can't claim to be independent while living under identical circumstances as many men, who we can assume are fine to claim themselves as independent, that is a double standard for sure.

Yes, it probably was a misunderstanding but I was unpleasantly shocked by just how snide the comments were towards mine. I know we've spoken about this before...I guess I'm still just weirded out by the double standard.

I've come to expect the MRM to dislike such obvious stupidity (like girls being allowed on boy sport teams but not vice versa). Then again...people are people, and men have emotions too. Sometimes one can get carried away, especially on the faceless internet. Methinks I'll post a gentle reply tomorrow and smooth some feathers.

I think there has been too much generalization of women. It is feminists who are the ones causing the trouble. No matter how many women are feminist, being a woman does not make her a feminist. Generalizing about women should be used more carefully than it has been.

Feminists use the generalization of men far too often. If one does not wish to be on the same mud grubbing level as feminists, then be more selective in the terms used. It's feminism that is evil, not women.

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Every man knows how we all depend on each other.. And those folks who refine their own fuel, tow their own.. whatever..

I hope they also dig the ore from the ground, to fashion the tools they need to do these things..

Exactly my point, sir. I'm all for giving menfolk their due...most of what society as a whole has was invented by males. I'm thankful that so many men (and a few women) have created medicines, buildings, clothing, vehicles, etc that aid us all in daily life.
But, they did these things for the benefit of society, not individuals. Every single item we use/own can be traced back to the manufacturers, the builders, the growers...one member of society relies on another. I thought that was the whole point

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I think there has been too much generalization of women. It is feminists who are the ones causing the trouble. No matter how many women are feminist, being a woman does not make her a feminist. Generalizing about women should be used more carefully than it has been.

Feminists use the generalization of men far too often. If one does not wish to be on the same mud grubbing level as feminists, then be more selective in the terms used. It's feminism that is evil, not women.

Feminists help urge the government to provide the means for women to act but feminism doesn't put a gun to women's heads and force women to make the decisions that feminists want women to make. If you give me a gun and I rob men with it will you blame me or the gun I used? Not all women are to blame but we should blame those that are to blame and not just the tool they used to carry out their crimes. So while feminism is evil there are some evil men and many evil women that help feminism work. Feminism can't exist without people, the majority of which are women, to perpetuate it. Also, there are some evil women that aren't feminists but happen to benefit from feminist policies.

Probably Marx said it best that it has a 'feminist stench' about it. The phrase "independent Women" is often used by media (at least in US) as meaning women dont need men, or men should be shoved into the background or similair to the old feminist saying "women need men like a fish needs a bicycle". Its generally used by journalist as an anti male propaganda term. You'll notice, the media never uses the term independent man.
Also remember, that not everybody on the Spearhead has the same opinion and goals.

Julie

Sad... I've been there, done that. Ummm, gee, well, shite.... it's a men's masturbating site.

Id say the Spearhead may be one of the most popular mens rights / anti feminist sites. Even Jezebel and the Man-bozo fellow have written about it. I believe Forbes also commented on it in their women's (aka feminist propaganda) section. I like it.

The spearhead is a good blog and Welmer is amongst the best writers in the manosphere IMO, the comments section can be a rough house though and why not?, it's just folk spouting off and the odd real gem of wisdom pops up occasionally.

Trav:If you aren't a guy, you have no right to say you're independent...

I didn't see anyone make that claim, most seemed just to scoff at the idea of independence in general.
As felix alludes to above, all life is dependent, in society we all depend on someone to do something, manufacture something, deliver food, fuel, keep the lights on the whole infrastructure maintained etc, etc, The totally "off grid" person would need to be more self sufficient but would still be dependent on certain things even if he did make his own tools from flint and wood.


In the end no one can really claim to be independent but only to what degree they're less dependent.

Traveler, although most of us here know from your previous posts that you mean well, the phrase "independent woman" is like a red rag to a bull in the MRM - just too many feminist connotations.
'pzreb' and 'nivek' got it exactly right.

We're all dependent on others in some way but the feminist definition implies that all men (rapists and pedophiles don'tcherknow) are surplus to requirements and simply a nuisance that should be exterminated.

'Indpendent woman' is too loose a term. It implies being independent of any particular man but still (and perhaps unknowingly) still highly dependent on male technology and a mostly male-funded state. The objection from most MRAs is that western women see it as a badge of pride without truly understanding what they're saying.

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I think there has been too much generalization of women. It is feminists who are the ones causing the trouble. No matter how many women are feminist, being a woman does not make her a feminist. Generalizing about women should be used more carefully than it has been.

Feminists use the generalization of men far too often. If one does not wish to be on the same mud grubbing level as feminists, then be more selective in the terms used. It's feminism that is evil, not women.

Too true, Floaty. While some generalizations are necessary and even helpful, I greatly dislike using them when talking about people. We lose sight of individual characteristics that way...which helps no one.

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Traveler, although most of us here know from your previous posts that you mean well, the phrase "independent woman" is like a red rag to a bull in the MRM - just too many feminist connotations.
'pzreb' and 'nivek' got it exactly right.

We're all dependent on others in some way but the feminist definition implies that all men (rapists and pedophiles don'tcherknow) are surplus to requirements and simply a nuisance that should be exterminated.

'Indpendent woman' is too loose a term. It implies being independent of any particular man but still (and perhaps unknowingly) still highly dependent on male technology and a mostly male-funded state. The objection from most MRAs is that western women see it as a badge of pride without truly understanding what they're saying.

I'm starting to get that, apparently I'll have to choose my words more carefully...how to say it though? Also, why DON'T more men talk about their independence? I was the first person in my immediate family to get a Bachelors Degree, the first to move out by 18, and the first to buy my own car...I wore my independence proudly, as I worked hard & forged my way through school and bills. Why doesn't society talk about men/boys who also work hard for a good life?
Curiouser and curiouser...

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Also, why DON'T more men talk about their independence? I was the first person in my immediate family to get a Bachelors Degree, the first to move out by 18, and the first to buy my own car...I wore my independence proudly, as I worked hard & forged my way through school and bills. Why doesn't society talk about men/boys who also work hard for a good life?
Curiouser and curiouser...

Because most men don't look upon getting a job and paying bills as being independent, we look upon it as being a part of society, playing the game, being a small cog in a big wheel, not as independence but as being less dependent on others and earning your dues.

Independence became a buzz word for feminists to throw at women to encourage them into the workforce, most men when growing up watched their fathers go to work in the morning and return home at night and new that once childhood was done with, that would be their life too, no choices, just that.

Necessity, is not independence.