Fair do's, now. There is nothing in the report about the mother passing off blame.

Just how far does one supervise a ten year old?

Most parents in such a circumstance would harbour self-blame. I would suspect the mother does. In this case the child suffered the consequences of disobeying a clear notice that she had to be 16 or over. Her fault. The shop was unattended, Shopkeeper's fault. Between them the girl and the shop carry 95% of the balme. One could spread the other five percent over many extraneous 'authorities' including the mother, but it would be spread very thin.

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Fair do's, now. There is nothing in the report about the mother passing off blame.

Just how far does one supervise a ten year old?

Most parents in such a circumstance would harbour self-blame. I would suspect the mother does. In this case the child suffered the consequences of disobeying a clear notice that she had to be 16 or over. Her fault. The shop was unattended, Shopkeeper's fault. Between them the girl and the shop carry 95% of the balme. One could spread the other five percent over many extraneous 'authorities' including the mother, but it would be spread very thin.

She sent her 10 year old to a fair,with a older cousin?,no age mentioned,the fair was closed,so they went to have a tan.
It did not occur to the Mother that,as the adult, she bears the responsibility for the safety of her child,The fact that the age of this alleged older cousin( not named,age not disclosed) did not protect the ten year old shows that :1 She is as irresponsible as the 10 year old or :2,This cousin did not exist,we have had this kind of discussion before sir on a article,for a chap who writes good articles,sometimes you miss the glaringly obvious of what is written,and more importantly,what is not written and should have been.

Boy burned in tanning salon visit



Kieron Saunders burns became infected (Pic courtesy of IC Wales)


Maria Saunders

A 13-year-old boy is recovering after sustaining severe burn blisters to his face after visiting a tanning salon three times in a day.
Kieron Saunders from Tredegar, Blaenau Gwent, spent a total of 21 minutes under the lights of the stand-up booth.
He has been told to stay at home for a week after the burns became infected.
The salon's owner, Steven James, said he was "gutted" by the incident and is arranging meetings with officials to prevent it happening again.
Kieron's mother, Maria, said she had warned her son about the dangers of sunbeds before and had threatened to "ground him" and take away his pocket money if he used them again.
Swelling
"His lips swelled up and he looked like Baloo the bear from the Jungle Book," said Mrs Saunders.
"He couldn't lift his head up and he couldn't swallow. The doctor said it was because he had been badly burned.
"Kieron is quite a vain boy and he is self-conscious about his acne - that was why he used sunbeds."
The salon, called 'Sun Kissed', displays signs stating under-16s are not allowed to use the booths and not to tan for longer than six minutes.
However, the premises remains unstaffed for much of the day.
Mrs Saunders said her son ignored signs in the salon about tanning and she called for it to be staffed at all times.

I was absolutely gutted when this happened and I'm very concerned about it


Steven James, salon owner

The salon owner said he is looking at ways to prevent such an incident happening again but added that the salon was only unstaffed to compete with others in the area.
"I would very much prefer to have someone there all the time," added Mr James.
"We are not operating illegally and if laws were passed to make all salons staffed all of the time it would solve the problem.
"I was absolutely gutted when this happened and I'm very concerned about it.
"I'm now considering staffing the shop outside school hours and maybe full time."
The British Association of Dermatologists said there needed to be further scrutiny of the tanning industry.
"This sort of horror story is precisely why sunbeds need tighter regulation," said Nina Goad, from the association.
"Under 18s should not be allowed to use sunbeds, and unmanned, coin operated sunbeds should be scrapped altogether.
"Children can't be expected to understand the risks that these machines pose, especially when they can be found at sports centres and places that suggest they are 'healthy', which sends conflicting messages."

Where I live kids are not allowed into tanning salons to use the beds unless they are over the age of 16 or have written parental permission, and the salons are staffed at all times.

Still kids (teens) get burned occasionally. It doesn't take long to get a burn (just a few minutes) particularly if it's your first time in.

Teens don't often pay attention to the instructions they get from staff- don't wear eye protection, may use tanning oil (you're never supposed to do that!), etc....however, most beds turn off automatically when the time set is up. Staff monitor how long people are in there for.

It did not occur to the Mother that, as the adult, she bears the responsibility for the safety of her child

I presume it did occur to the parent, Senach. You presume it didn't. No evidence either way.

Responsibility is held only up to a point.

There is an age-related sliding scale. As a child grows, it takes on some responsibility for itself.

Also, in this instance, the child was disobediant.

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I presume it did occur to the parent, Senach. You presume it didn't. No evidence either way.

Responsibility is held only up to a point.

There is an age-related sliding scale. As a child grows, it takes on some responsibility for itself.

Also, in this instance, the child was disobediant.

That is a good defence sir,i will send my prepubesent daughter out with a money in her pocket to go to a fair,and if she does something stupid,well at least i can say,on a sliding-scale you are responsible for your actions,so when, she does not go to school? who is legally responsible for that,the child or the parent,the mother can argue that the child was disobediant,but it is the mother who is held responsible and sent to prison,we as parents, should be responsible for our childrens actions,that is what parenting is all about,to say well, they should have known better,well they do not, they are children.Lest we forget,if we do not accept full responsibility for the actions of our children,then the state will do it for us.

Also if you listen to the radio interview with the mother,Kelly was coming back from the fair as it was closed,she walked through the city centre,the sunbed shop is open till 12 midnight,Kelly went in there and burnt herself,no cousin mentioned,suprise suprise all in the singular,the fact that her child was out at between 11 pm and midnight,by herself does not concern anyone,they are distracted by the burning,not the fact the mother was negligent.

There is nothing in the report about the mother passing off blame.

Looks like a lot missing from the report.

my daughter didn't go anywhere by her self or with someone older until she was 15 as she was too precious in my life; I know there is a wild world out there

especially prepubescent girls they are a target for sex maniacs

the same with my son - he disobeyed me and stayed over night at his friends place and I didn't know the address or phone number and I removed all of his priveleges and fined him his saving and confiscated his cell phone

studies indicate 4% of the population are psychopaths that is one in twenty five

even children can't be trusted i am referring to the kidnap torture and murder of a little boy in the UK by other little boys his body was found next to a railway track

.....especially prepubescent girls they are a target for sex maniacs

the same with my son - he disobeyed me and stayed over night at his friends place and I didn't know the address or phone number and I removed all of his priveleges and fined him his saving and confiscated his cell phone

studies indicate 4% of the population are psychopaths that is one in twenty five

even children can't be trusted i am referring to the kidnap torture and murder of a little boy in the UK by other little boys his body was found next to a railway track

Sex maniacs, Shazza? And what percentage of us chaps are sex maniacs looking for pre-pubescant girls? One in four I suppose.

Taking good care of one's children is one thing, but shazza, that is just hysteria, and anti-male, at that.

'Studies' do not show that 4% are psychopaths. They are rare, and 'probably' no more than one in 1000. Many more other people though are nasty, women as well as men, and care needs to be taken with our children.

But let's not join the feminazis.

In the article above, there was no hint of swarthy men in mackintoshes luring the ten year old girl into the sun-bedroom.

How many children are kidnapped and murdered by other children? It is one thing to be aware that it happens AND that it is catastrophic, but it is an even rarer event than psychopaths being born.

Murders, rapes, ramdom serial killings are RARE. They happen in fiction on TV ten to 20 times an evening. Inspector Barnaby gets three at a time just as a plot device. CSI follows CSI Miami on TV over here, followed by A friggin' convoy of cop shows and wotnot all with bodies everywhere.

But not in real life.

What DOES happen ten times a day - make that a hundred times a day - is fathers being dispossessed of their children by Family Court thugs. No matter how muchh care we have for them.

That is what we need to get hysterical about.