Mary Winkler allowed visits with daughters
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- 28th-November-2007 #1
Mary Winkler allowed visits with daughters
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Judge Rules Mary Winkler Can Have 'Supervised Visits' With 3 Daughters
Wednesday, September 19, 2007
NASHVILLE, Tenn. —
A woman who killed her minister husband with a shotgun can begin supervised visits with her three young daughters on Sept. 29, a judge ruled Wednesday.
Judge Ron Harmon said he will draw up rules and locations for the visits within a few days and Mary Winkler can phone her children every other day.
The visits will be supervised because of worries about Winkler's mental health, the judge said, and physical security for the children will also be provided if needed.
Winkler, 33, was convicted of voluntary homicide in April for shooting husband Matthew Winkler, a Church of Christ minister, at their residence in Selmer, Tenn., in March 2006.
A psychologist at Winkler's trial testified she suffers from post-traumatic stress syndrome because of domestic abuse coupled with emotional damage from the death of a favored sister years earlier.
Winkler told the judge she wants to be reunited with her daughters to help them deal with the emotional trauma of their father's death. The children are in the temporary custody of Matthew Winkler's parents who want to adopt them over their mother's objections.
"We can begin healing together and let God guide us," Winkler said.
Daniel and Diane Winkler have filed suit to terminate Winkler's parental rights, and Harmon gave no indication when he expects to rule on the overall custody battle.
Keith Ablow, a forensic psychiatrist, told the judge that Winkler's mental condition is still unstable though she has undergone counseling since her conviction and is taking medication.
"I have no confidence that we know where Mrs. Winkler is clinically today, let alone six weeks from now or six years from now," said Ablow, who has a syndicated TV show bearing his name.
Winkler testified that she has seen her daughters only twice since her arrest last year, though she was allowed at first to phone children weekly and write to them.
The children, 10, 8, and 2 years old, live with their grandparents in Huntingdon, a small town about 130 miles northeast of Memphis.
Church members discovered Matthew Winkler's body and his wife and children were nowhere to be found. A nationwide search was begun for them and they were found the following day on the Gulf Coast.
Winkler testified at her trial that she does not remember getting a shotgun from a bedroom closet but remembers the sound of it firing and her husband rolling out of bed.
She said she had endured years of physical and emotional abuse and "just snapped."
Ablow said the violence unleashed by Winkler and her reports of memory blackouts should prevent unsupervised visits with the children.
"Fresh from killing their father, to take the girls in her van with ammunition and a shotgun and to say, 'I just wanted to take them to the beach for a little more time," raises the question whether they were in grave danger," Ablow said.
Winkler went to trial in Selmer on a first-degree murder charge but a jury convicted her of the lesser offense.
She drew a three-year prison sentence and got probation for most of it, spending just over five months in jail and two months in a mental health facility.
She said she is now competent to care for her children thanks to counseling and drugs for anxiety and depression.
She said the children's paternal grandparents refuse to let her see the girls or even call them on the phone. Her father and other members of her family are also banned by the grandparents, she said.
"My children need 100 percent of their family," Winkler said.
John Ciocca, a clinical psychologist called to testify by Winkler's lawyers, said denying young children access to a parent can be emotionally damaging.
"If these children continue to be kept from their mother without good reason, they can be harmed by it," Ciocca said.
Winkler is living with friends in McMinnville, 65 miles southeast of Nashville, and has a job at a laundry.
My favorite parts? When she testified she wanted to be available to help her daughters deal with the emotional trauma from their father's death. Um, yeah, you mean the trauma SHE caused when she murdered their dad? THAT trauma? Then, her lawyers have a psychologist testify that a young child being denied access to a parent can be emotionally damaging. Wow. I wonder what kind of emotional damage is caused when they're denied access to a parent because that parent is DEAD. Murdered. Killed, in fact, by their very own mother. Interesting time for Ms. Winkler to start worrying about the emotional impact upon her children."Every noble impulse, every unselfish expression of love; every brave suffering for the right; every surrender of self to something higher than self; every loyalty to an ideal; every unselfish devotion to principle; every helpfulness to humanity; every act of self-control; every fine courage of the soul, undefeated by pretense or policy, but by being, doing, and living of good for the very good’s sake—that is spirituality." -David O. McKay
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12
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- 28th-November-2007 #2
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So she is allowed to see her children even if she killed their father?
Why am I not surprised
Even any man who gets a speeding fine can't see his children these days, let alone taken another human life.
- 28th-November-2007 #3
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Wait a minute!
"If these children continue to be kept from their mother without good reason, they can be harmed by it."
So they aren't harmed by the fact that their father was just killed?
Faith in humanity: lost.
- 28th-November-2007 #4
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If the fact that she shot their sleeping father in the back, and then cried over slutty shoes he wanted her to wear during sex as an excuse, isn't a good enough reason to keep her from seeing her kids, then what is?
- 28th-November-2007 #5
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capital punishment would have prevented the statist pisstakers having this laugh..
- 28th-November-2007 #6
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Yeah, the whole thing is just disgusting. Like when she said
Because, like her daughters, she's one of the victims who needs to heal from what was done to her."We can begin healing together and let God guide us," Winkler said.
Nevermind her husbands dead and in the ground, we should all be concerned with her being able to heal. "Every noble impulse, every unselfish expression of love; every brave suffering for the right; every surrender of self to something higher than self; every loyalty to an ideal; every unselfish devotion to principle; every helpfulness to humanity; every act of self-control; every fine courage of the soul, undefeated by pretense or policy, but by being, doing, and living of good for the very good’s sake—that is spirituality." -David O. McKay
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12
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Sick bitch.
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- 28th-November-2007 #8
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Seconded.Sick bitch.
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"If these children continue to be kept from their mother without good reason, they can be harmed by it."
Wait. So I guess killing someone in cold blood isn't a "good reason".....
And being aroud the person that KILLED their father isn't the least bit harmfull to them....
I just dont get these people....
Oh that's right, she was "abused".... Of course, we can't really prove or disprove that now can we...'cause...well... he fucking dead!
Oh I just got it. He is a white male, and Christian at that! Nevermind. I got it now.
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- 29th-November-2007 #11
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I posted this in the hope that some folk may respond regarding the suitability of the death penalty..
Personally, I am not in favour of it, summary justice maybe, but murder by the state does not do justice to what the state aught to be..
If we put the status of the state as somewhere between man and god (note I said man, not woman!) we must expect higher standards of compassion and forgiveness..
This does not in my mind extend to letting people get away with such crimes then encouraging them to get on with their family lives like this..
Punishment has many purposes, but this pantomime is a disgrace..
It would be tragic if the children could only see their mother through prison bars for a very long time..
But far less tragic than to ignore the magnitude of the murder of their father..
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