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    Re: France to push women into the boardroom (whether they want to go there or not)

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    Julie, I know you say a number of incomprehensible and illogical things, but this really takes the biscuit.
    It's funny (to me) how you continued to write your opinion on the topic after this. In future, please don't address me in your comments and then proceed on the topic. I like to read what you have to say but I ask nicely for you to do it separately.

    I'd like to ask that you never address me again but that ball is in your court. I won't bother after this to connect with you for I don't have the need to be pulled down.
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    Re: France to push women into the boardroom (whether they want to go there or not)

    Come along Jools. Paul is usually quite polite and everyone mixes together comments to particular people with their general or topic comments.
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    Re: France to push women into the boardroom (whether they want to go there or not)

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    Come along Jools. Paul is usually quite polite and everyone mixes together comments to particular people with their general or topic comments.
    Indeed. Julie, don't start losing the plot and feeding misdiagnosed preconceptions (which you do feed at times) which reinforces the tainted perception.
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    Re: France to push women into the boardroom (whether they want to go there or not)

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    Come along Jools. Paul is usually quite polite and everyone mixes together comments to particular people with their general or topic comments.
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    Indeed. Julie, don't start losing the plot and feeding misdiagnosed preconceptions (which you do feed at times) which reinforces the tainted perception.
    It's all good... I hear your points.

    But... I would rather people put me on ignore or just ignore me than feed into my lack of education and life experiences. I am the one lifting up to other's level here. I do not want to pull anyone down to mine nor want it to get on their nerves.
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    Re: France to push women into the boardroom (whether they want to go there or not)

    And now, after that short commercial break for the compulsory derailing attempt - Back to the Boardroom.

    The state of industry - and politics - over the past decade or three has put men in a terrible light.

    Here is an 'old school' Corporate Director:

    Lee Iacocca Says:

    'Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage with this so called president? We should be screaming bloody murder! We've got a gang of tax cheating clueless leftists trying to steer our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even run a ridiculous cash-for-clunkers program without losing $26 billion of the taxpayers' money, much less build a hybrid car . But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, 'trust me the economy is getting better...'

    Better? You've got to be kidding. This is America , not the damned, 'Titanic'. I'll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the Democrats out along with Obama!'

    You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore..

    The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs... While we're fiddling in Afghanistan , Iran is completing their nuclear bombs and missiles and nobody seems to know what to do. And the liberal press is waving 'pom-poms' instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of the ' America ' my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you?

    I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have. The Biggest 'C' is Crisis! (Iacocca elaborates on nine C's of leadership, with crisis being the first.)

    Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It's easy to sit there with thumb up your butt and talk theory. Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield yourself. It's another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.

    On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. A hell of a mess, so here's where we stand.

    We're immersed in a bloody war now with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. But our soldiers are dying daily.

    We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the world, and it's getting worse every day!

    We've lost the manufacturing edge to Asia , while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs .

    Gas prices are going to skyrocket again, and nobody in power has a lucid plan to open drilling to solve the problem. This country has the largest oil reserves in the WORLD, and we cannot drill for it because the politicians have been bought by the flea-hugging environmentalists.

    Our schools are in a complete disaster because of the teachers union.

    Our borders are like sieves and they want to give all illegals amnesty and free healthcare.

    The middle class is being squeezed to death every day.

    These are times that cry out for leadership.

    But when you look around, you've got to ask: 'Where have all the leaders gone?' Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense? I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.

    Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo?

    We've spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened.

    Everyone's hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping the government will make it better for them. Now, that's just crazy.. Deal with life.

    Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when 'The Big Three' referred to Japanese car companies? How did this happen, and more important, look what Obama did about it!

    Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debt, or solving the energy crisis , or managing the health care problem . The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry.

    I have news for the Chicago gangsters in Congress. We didn't elect you to turn this country into a losing European Socialist state . What is everybody so afraid of? That some bonehead on NBC or CNN news will call them a name? Give me a break. Why don't you guys show some spine for a change?

    Had Enough ? Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope - I believe in America . In my lifetime, I've had the privilege of living through some of America 's greatest moments. I've also experienced some of our worst crises: The 'Great Depression ,' ' World War II ,' the ' Korean War ,' the 'Kennedy Assassination,' the ' Vietnam War ,' the 1970's oil crisis , and the struggles of recent years since 9/11.

    Make your own contribution by sending this to everyone you know and care about. It's our country, folks, and it's our future. Our future is at stake!!
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    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against Principalities, against Powers,
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    (and within ourselves)


    A Feminist is a human being who has lost her way and turned vicious. If you meet one on the road as you
    Go your Own Way, offer kindness but keep your sword drawn.





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    However, thanks for this article. Good on France for going 40%. NZ is going 50% as they have with everything. They have no ceiling as 40% would make. They start with 50% and then go full on working towards 100%.
    Yeah, good on France for going 40% and NZ going 50% with everything. With any luck, soon, women will make up 40% of work related deaths in France and 50% of work related deaths in NZ. They can start with 50% and then go full on working towards 100%. Hoorah for equality!
    Damn, it should be a crime to feel this good! On second thought, I better savor the moment before it does become one.

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    Yeah, good on France for going 40% and NZ going 50% with everything. With any luck, soon, women will make up 40% of work related deaths in France and 50% of work related deaths in NZ. They can start with 50% and then go full on working towards 100%. Hoorah for equality!
    All in the name of equality... But honestly, I can't feel much sympathy if it does get that far and I'm most curious to see the reactions, in particular those of women.

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    All in the name of equality... But honestly, I can't feel much sympathy if it does get that far and I'm most curious to see the reactions, in particular those of women.
    That's the whole point; they only want "equal representation" in cushy jobs and not in dreaded jobs or jobs in which they put their lives on the line. They don't want equality at all costs. They want more benefits but even less responsibility.
    Damn, it should be a crime to feel this good! On second thought, I better savor the moment before it does become one.

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    All in the name of equality... But honestly, I can't feel much sympathy if it does get that far and I'm most curious to see the reactions, in particular those of women.
    Why should we feel any sympathy for them?

    How much sympathy do we have for men in that predicament? I mean, really?
    Damn, it should be a crime to feel this good! On second thought, I better savor the moment before it does become one.

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    Why should we feel any sympathy for them?

    How much sympathy do we have for men in that predicament? I mean, really?
    When I say 'not much sympathy', I mean I only feel some sympathy for some of my relatives. As for being curious for reactions, just eager to see how the other half of the population would like having the favour returned by themselves (have their feminist laws and attitudes backfire on them...).

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    That's the whole point; they only want "equal representation" in cushy jobs and not in dreaded jobs or jobs in which they put their lives on the line. They don't want equality at all costs. They want more benefits but even less responsibility.
    Yep, equality when it's convenient. We only hear about gender quotas when feminist want to push women into science, academics, politics blah blah blah... basically, everything that is cushy or holds influence/authority as to further the influence of feminists.

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    That's the whole point; they only want "equal representation" in cushy jobs and not in dreaded jobs or jobs in which they put their lives on the line. They don't want equality at all costs. They want more benefits but even less responsibility.
    And you cannot have one over the other. The sad reality is, if they want "equality", then they're really gonna need to be prepared. Once you go to work, the gloves have to come off and you'll be digging the dirt with bare hands. I've only held my current job for 1/2 a year, I work more than the other people in my department, and my job is not filled with glamour. But I'm not complaining because I chose a 30 hr work week, and a job filled with stress, protection and danger. What I do like about my job is that I can interact and get a workout at the same time...

    I say switch the environments for a day. Put the men in the cushy, protective jobs and the women in the dangerous jobs and see the results. Fantasy will collide with reality and the "seams" will loosen...
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    You also note how it is only "big" companies that are being targetted for this special elevator for lazy and impatient females. There is no demand for women to be shunted into control of small, struggling companies that have no room for excess baggage.
    This is the key point right here. I mean, let's all be honest with ourselves and admit that most of these huge companies are being run into the ground rough-shod and male leadership lately hasn't exactly been fantastic, but the truth is such enormous companies have money to burn, as it were, and a measure of sloppiness at the top-end can be afforded. France shows it's shrewdness via this measure, appeasing the feminists but in such a fashion as not to be too socially destructive. Small and struggling companies would quickly founder with anything less than superb leadership, as they often do, in the ruthless world of finance. That these companies are being protected from enforced female headship, to me, puts the lie to that theory which claims feminism is the result of a government scheme to destabilize society for in this instance great destruction and destabilizing could be easily worked via allowing such quotas to effect smaller enterprises, yet we can clearly see the government is deliberately steering away from such a measure. Something to think about, at least.


 

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