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    Because we must praise sensitive and rational women, re: the slut issue

    Now that I've had my say about Rush Lamebrain, it's time to talk about the other side of the slut issue: WHY the word exists. This is in no way an after-the-fact endorsement of Lamebrain or a "mea culpa". Lamebrain had ZERO proof that Sandra Fluke had any sexual partners beyond one within the last x years, much less the 5 men a day or whatever bullshit claims of promiscuity that has been coming out about her. The only thing we can agree on is that either birth control AND Viagra should both be covered, or neither should be covered. Most feel that it's not the Government's business to deal with either.

    That said, we need to go back in history and explain the likely reason why the word 'slut' came about. And it turns out that a woman poster on Mother Jones Magazine hits it right out of the ballpark in explaining why men stigmatize women who are promiscuous: it's because women who ARE promiscuous, leave the men in their lives vulnerable to paternity fraud. Yes, a woman said this; and for this she should be lauded.


    Flowchart: Are You a Slut? | Mother Jones

    By Cathy Grandstaff
    Yesterday 11:02 PM

    It's an evolutionary thing actually. See the thing is men have a reproductive handicap - they can't be certain a baby is theirs, women can. This means that evolution has favored men who are oversensitive about whether their women sleep around and actively attempt to prevent it, traditional marriage is at its core nothing more than institutionalized mate guarding.
    I'm not sure when virginity was made a standard rather than just an ideal. I know in the Old Testiment there's a bit about how to treat female prisoners of war, you're suppose to give them a year of mourning before you bed them. This sounds noble (well, as noble as these things ever are), but for all intents and purposes this strategy probably had more to do with avoiding paternal cuckoldry (having an unrelated baby passed off as your own) than with the unfortunate girl's feelings. At a guess I'd say traditional cultures likely view promiscuous women as bad because they're perceived as more likely to cuckold their husbands than women who have proven themselves capable of reining in their carnal desires. Of course, this is also indicitive of a culture where the men bring more to the table than the women. Women's instincts would also reinforce the negative aspect, since they also practice mate guarding to try to ensure that their husband does not waste precious resources on a baby that's genetically related to him but not to his wife. So when a woman did catch her husband sleeping around she had two choices: attack her husband and risk driving the mate she depended on away or attack the rival female and any offspring.Anyway, it's a set of instincts that no longer has as much benefit due to birth control being readily available. But just like the instinctive preference for sugary or fatty foods it's not just going to go away because we want it to.
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    Re: Because we must praise sensitive and rational women, re: the slut issue

    I think that sensitive and rational women should be acknowledged, given credit to and respected but not praised. If we indeed praise women for what is expected of ourselves then we hold them to a much lower standard.
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    Re: Because we must praise sensitive and rational women, re: the slut issue

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    I think that sensitive and rational women should be acknowledged, given credit to and respected but not praised. If we indeed praise women for what is expected of ourselves then we hold them to a much lower standard.
    It's natural to praise those who repent and join the ranks of the rational. It's even a biblical thing.
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    Re: Because we must praise sensitive and rational women, re: the slut issue

    Are you on that Prodigal Son? People go overboard with praise sometimes.
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    Re: Because we must praise sensitive and rational women, re: the slut issue

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    Are you on that Prodigal Son? People go overboard with praise sometimes.
    Yes, people do go overboard sometimes. I do draw inspiration from that parable. Celebrate when you lose a lost sheep, but the celebration can't last forever.
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    Re: Because we must praise sensitive and rational women, re: the slut issue

    A good woman either shows me that women don't fit my preconceptions as much as I thought or she shows us of how much of a distinction there is between a good woman and the typical woman. The former shows me that I need reflection and the latter shows how much of an uphill battle we have ahead of ourselves.
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    Re: Because we must praise sensitive and rational women, re: the slut issue

    Why should we praise any female, as according to your outburst about "limbaugh"(Rush Lamebrain), a male by the way, states the occasional comment that comes under question while in the majority of cases he speaks the truth, as he did on this occasion. Flake is just another feminist shill designed to malign conservatives, undermine the Republican presidential race and take another opportunity at promoting even more privileges for the over privileged sex. Smacks of hypocrisy as far as I am concerned..

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    Re: Because we must praise sensitive and rational women, re: the slut issue

    I don't even praise Esther Vilar and I honestly believe she's an example of a good woman.
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    Re: Because we must praise sensitive and rational women, re: the slut issue

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    Why should we praise any female, as according to your outburst about "limbaugh"(Rush Lamebrain), a male by the way, states the occasional comment that comes under question while in the majority of cases he speaks the truth, as he did on this occasion. Flake is just another feminist shill designed to malign conservatives, undermine the Republican presidential race and take another opportunity at promoting even more privileges for the over privileged sex. Smacks of hypocrisy as far as I am concerned..
    What proof do you have about Fluke being a shill? And what's wrong with showing good will to people on the other side and encouraging them to undermine the feminist machine from the inside? It encourages more women to come out against feminism.

    I'm not talking about putting her on a pedestal for crying out loud. Just give the woman some props. She ripped feminism a new one and feminists will be left speechless because she's a woman. They can't attack her like they attack us.

    You gotta master the concept of strategy, man. Befriend the enemy of our enemies.
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    Re: Because we must praise sensitive and rational women, re: the slut issue

    Naw, I agree with you. When I think of praise I think of church or prayer for some reason.

    I'm going to just start treating people the same way they treat me until I learn something better.
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    Re: Because we must praise sensitive and rational women, re: the slut issue

    It's a good article. I have one issue with it, however:
    ...evolution has favored men who are oversensitive about whether their women sleep around
    That's not really correct. There is nothing "over" in being sensitive to being cuckolded and raising a brat not of your own. (Fine if you know and agree, that's a different matter.)

    A caveman could expect portions of his hunting to be used for around ten years before a child starts being productive, with perhaps another five years before he has a fully-capable hunting partner as a return for his efforts. He wants that investment to be of his own genes: a family line that succeeds and survives. Modern man can look to being a provider for at least 18 years, with no return on investment, ever, but he has just the same need for that investment to be of his own genes: a family line that succeeds and survives.

    It is not being over-sensitive to be concerned about these issues. It is being correctly and sensibly concerned.


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    Re: Because we must praise sensitive and rational women, re: the slut issue

    A slut used to be one who slept around or had sex outside of marriage. Feminists have long been lobbying against "slut shaming" as it defy's their principles. Feminism in its prime was about liberating women sexually. Now the term "slut" sits on a really blurred line as feminists are proud to be called it when people praise them for their sex-related propaganda and an insult when used in it's original form. I didn't agree with some of what rush said but all in all much of it is true (whether he is a hypocrite or not)

    I also see nothing wrong with Esther Vilar... Women are not the enemy, feminism is, and any woman who has the guts to stand up and say "enough with the bs" is a good woman in my book...


 

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