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    "Angry Men: Attack of the 50-Foot Feminist Agenda" - total biased piece attacking Men's Rights Movement (Boston Magazine)

    Angry Men: Attack of the 50-Foot Feminist Agenda

    Totally one-sided piece attacking Men's Rights Movement (Boston Magazine). Also making out that it is a really powerful lobby group (more powerful than feminism, it would seem if one believes this article).

    Has a comments facility. Only one comment so far, attacking MRAs.

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    Re: "Angry Men: Attack of the 50-Foot Feminist Agenda" - total biased piece attacking Men's Rights Movement (Boston Magazine)

    Here is what she said:

    These boys, not men, want to go back in time where women were forced to stay in abusive relationships because the courts would not protect them and their kids. It’s disgusting that these groups actually find it a problem to pay child support payments. You would never see womens groups trying this stuff. Then MRAs blame the victim for domestic abuse. These people should not have any power in the court systems. They’re dangerous and advocating violence. Dez
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    Wait...what? You know, I am a woman who has been involved in the movement for a number of years. In the thousands of conversations I've had with its members, and the thousands of conversations between members that I have read, no one has advocated going to a time when women and children were not protected or blaming anyone for being abused.


    Being forced to pay child support does bother most of them for several reasons. Many would pay without having the state involved - they have no problem supporting their children, it's the ex-wife they don't want to support. And really, alimony? In this day and age?


    They are angry because women instigate the vast majority of divorces, and are awarded custody the vast majority of the time. The best interest of the children has very little to do with it. If it did, divorce wouldn't be so easy to do, and courts would award custody on a more equitable basis. Or do you really believe that most men are brutes and most women are angels. Time for a reality check.


    They're angry because all a mother has to do is say she's afraid of him, and she is awarded a restraining order. So he isn't even allowed to see his children, which again, in most cases isn't in the best interest of the children, and she gets the use of his money and autonomy over the child. It happens more often than you think. Or are we back to the men brutes/women angels mentality?


    Women's groups? Remember how hilarious it is when a woman cuts off her husband's penis and puts it down the garbage disposal? Bastard probably deserved it, right? What action could be so heinous someone would deserve to be mutilated? You can't perform an action like that without premeditation - you have to catch him off guard.


    Like I said, I'm a woman. I've lived in America for 46 years. I have never been oppressed. The only thing that ever held me back was my lack of confidence or ability. If I have to get ahead by artificial means, it doesn't mean anything and I don't want it. Nor do I deserve it.


    Would you care to provide some evidence to support this widespread advocacy of the victimization of women?
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    Re: "Angry Men: Attack of the 50-Foot Feminist Agenda" - total biased piece attacking Men's Rights Movement (Boston Magazine)

    Thanks KM for your supportive comments

    BARRY NOLAN, the author of this has been getting upset lately by AM member fidelbogen.

    He recently posed some questions to Barry Nolan who, having been baited, cried profusely in retaliation.

    The Counter-Feminist: Open E-Mail to Barry Nolan at Boston Magazine
    The Counter-Feminist: Barry Nolan Takes the Bait

    This is in reference to my immediately prior post, where I share an e-mail I sent to Barry Nolan of Bostonmagazine.com. The tone of my message was civil, as others may judge. Well, Barry Nolan fired back quick as a greased adder. His tone was anything but civil; indeed, I would cite it as an case of emotional reasoning tinged with hysteria. The message was composed in a white heat of reaction, and betrays either intellectual incapacity, or simple unwillingness to engage intellectually -- I'm not sure which. For starters, Mr. Nolan apparently cannot distinguishfeminist from female, despite the gaping, canyon-like difference between these words. (Mr. Nolan, here's a hint: the "fem" syllable common to both words does not prove that they mean the same thing. You need to look deeper. )

    And Barry Nolan lazily glosses over some other points as well. Likely he feels that respectful attention to political context, and to nuance, is a courtesy which he doesn't owe in the present case. And that, in the long run, is to his misfortune.

    Finally, what I find especially amusing, is Mr. Nolan's suggestion that I suggested that I am a journalist. No. I have never remotely suggested that I am a "journalist", nor do I suggest it now. Granted, that to debate who is or isn't a "journalist", is like debating who is or isn't an "artist" or an "intellectual." But in the end, I claim only to do what I do, which is not at all a difficult claim to uphold.

    Oh yes, journalistically speaking, I do wonder about Mr. Nolan. And furthermore, what does it say about Boston Magazine that they'd hire one such as he to provide them with copy? But then again, I reckon they know their market, so I won't tell them how to run their business.

    For now, I will simply post Mr. Nolan's e-mail in its entirety. Later perhaps, I will come back with further commentary. Or maybe not:
    "Dear Mr. Fidelbogen,

    "Yes indeed I did refer to your post as an example of a far right wing anti-women group. On your front-page for instance, you state: “in the feminist universe women cannot do anything wrong because feminism does not hold women morally accountable.” That is utter rubbish. You link to an article titled: “Feminism Spreads Lies Like a Fly Spreads Germs” where you claim that is a slogan you coined in a “flash of inspiration” – which you characterize it as “brutal”. You claim it is a slogan that will make its way into people’s brains and then never leave. I think that in total and viewed in context - you can reasonably be considered anti-woman,

    "And, having spoken to a large number of normal people, I also think that most people would find your views to be both repulsive and pathetic.

    "You ask if I would be “willing to address certain questions” that you would pose and then suggest it is because you are somehow a journalist. Mr. Fidelbogen, I know journalists. Journalists are friends of mine. You sir, are nothing remotely resembling a journalist. And what appears to be a veiled attempt to be intimidating by saying you intend to distribute this exchange to your minions around the world, is absolutely fine with me. Have at it. Distribute to your hearts content. Sunlight is indeed an excellent disinfectant.

    "Barry Nolan"

    Moving on from fidelbogen's piece, Marilyn Petitto seems to be upset that feminist values of assuming any accused man as guilty is being questioned:
    Watertown’s Marilyn Petitto Devaney, who’s been on the council for 14 years, says the presence of the Fatherhood Coalition has “changed the way we do business here.”
    Aptaker’s story underscores a disturbing trend: Men’s rights groups, convinced that men are the biggest victims of modern society, have been busy attacking, defunding, and repealing laws that have been very effective at protecting women and lowering rates of domestic violence. And rather than just ranting and raving on the Internet, these men have been pulling political levers to change both state and federal laws. That they’ve done so with remarkable success ought to make everyone very, very scared.
    When Barry Nolan wrote 'defunding' I think he may have perhaps meant 'debunking'? When he says 'lowering rates of domestic violence', I'm sure he means 'lowering rates of half the domestic violence'. And when he claims that everyone ought to be very, very scared due to the MRM's pulling of political levers, I wonder if he says that in light of the Violence Against Men Act that doesn't exist?

    Biden wrote, “…violence against women reflects as much a failure of our nation’s collective moral imagination as it does the failure of our nation’s laws and regulations…it deserves our profound public outrage.”
    Oh looky, there is no Violence Against Men Act, and feminists would rightly be outraged if there was such an act that specifically denied funding to women's support groups while affording men's support groups seemingly endless supplies of cash funding. But the reality is no such Act exists - but the sexist Act that elevates women above men does exist and the feminists are only too happy for such a misandrist Act to exist.
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    Re: "Angry Men: Attack of the 50-Foot Feminist Agenda" - total biased piece attacking Men's Rights Movement (Boston Magazine)

    It did not let me post saying that I was overposting, when in fact this was my first and only post on the website. I put the name 'Anonymous'.
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    Re: "Angry Men: Attack of the 50-Foot Feminist Agenda" - total biased piece attacking Men's Rights Movement (Boston Magazine)

    some how young men have to be acquainted with the fact that feminitism is a pernicious ideology that will ultimately render them as a slave to a new age gal who despises him some and then some

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    It did not let me post saying that I was overposting, when in fact this was my first and only post on the website. I put the name 'Anonymous'.
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    Well done for trying anyway. Can't help except to suggest trying in another browser (I haven't tried).
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    Re: "Angry Men: Attack of the 50-Foot Feminist Agenda" - total biased piece attacking Men's Rights Movement (Boston Magazine)

    This looks like an SOS from a man caught in a dead-end job on a feminized staff.

    Like, if the article was hollow, factless and bombastic enough no one would read it,

    and maybe they'll just look at the picture.

    THAT one's a keeper.

    Thanks, Barry.


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    Re: "Angry Men: Attack of the 50-Foot Feminist Agenda" - total biased piece attacking Men's Rights Movement (Boston Magazine)

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    Hmm do you think that could be the reason?
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    Hmm do you think that could be the reason?
    Nah. It's a problem on the server side - regardless of the browser. It may has something to do with the username "Anonymous"..., but that's still a server-side issue.
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    Re: "Angry Men: Attack of the 50-Foot Feminist Agenda" - total biased piece attacking Men's Rights Movement (Boston Magazine)

    I noticed your response Kelly before reading the posts in this thread and thanks, fully agree with you.

    I left a couple of retaliation comments of my own, hopefully they won't be removed, but if they are, here they are:

    Carlin W says:
    August 31, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    The Violence Against Men Act can simply be referred to as :”Pretty Much Every Law That Concerns Violence In General”. Who perpetrates the overwhelming majority of violence against men? Other men. Murder? Gang violence? Robbery? Rape? Men. Men. Men. Aaand men. And I’m a man. I’m just one of those who chooses to face facts. Will i point at others and do my best to obfuscate reality when the issue of violence comes up? No, I will MAN UP and do my part to end it.


    Will says:
    August 31, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    You are completely wrong Carlin. I have been sexually harassed and groped by women in the workplace. I have had women punch me because they think they can get away with it.

    Women can commit crimes and to say that it is “all men” is just sexist and wrong. You want equality? Then you must have accountability as well.

    The response of the police or management in workplaces? “I must have liked/deserved it”, “you cant be harassed, you’re a man”. Societies thoughts pretty much sum up your primate rambling but is far from the truth.

    It is sexist to assume women are feeble and mild mannered. Times have changed, women feel more open to vent their hostility and sexuality and have no fear of recriminations either.
    Barry Nolan says:
    August 31, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Dear Sasha,
    If you but read the article – you will find that nowhere does it suggest that the majority of fathers abuse their children or their wives. That is simply not what it says – anywhere in the article. Not even close. It’s not good to just make things up.
    Barry Nolan


    Will says:
    August 31, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    “It’s not good to just make things up.
    Barry Nolan”

    - That’s what you’ve done throughout the whole article, so why blast others? If you write liberal trash, don’t be surprised by the responses you get.

    Such as making up how men ” have been busy attacking, defunding, and repealing laws” which is a ludicrous leap. If you actually bother observing these groups, you will find:
    - That they merely defend rights and laws, rather than attack them
    - Ask for more funding instead of less (a little trivia, prostate cancer has as high rates as breast cancer, but only gets 1/3 of the funding)
    - And request ill considered laws that are biased should be considered for the implications in society and everyone shouldn’t be discriminated against. Unreasonable? I think not!

    It is a shame there are men like you in society, that are driven in a modern witch hunt to chastise their own gender, in the hopes that feminists will save them the same humiliation others get. They won’t. You can be a male feminist all you like, the same false accusations, spurious claims and denied access to your family awaits you as well my dear fool.
    Please sign this important petition:

    https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/nhs-government-allow-male-contraceptives-equal-responsibility-for-both-genders

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    Re: "Angry Men: Attack of the 50-Foot Feminist Agenda" - total biased piece attacking Men's Rights Movement (Boston Magazine)

    Dang. I just typed out a rebuttal to the post saying Terri Stoddard cited a study showing that when police are called to scenes of serious injury or killing, men are usually the perps.

    It said I was posting too fast and should slow down. I posted once!

    Should have saved it. I filled him in on what the rest of the study said and complimented his cherry picking ability.

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    When you think about it, the MRM must be getting under the skin for more folks in the public. For Nolan to publish a "Trash the MRA's" article, what we have been doing must be working. The notion that men are equal to women in more that lip service must be really pissing off some people. Seeing the amount of pure feminist vitriol at the mere suggestion that men are human beings too with rights as fathers, brothers, and sons confirms the fact that feminists and their supporters are playing a zero sum game.

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    When you think about it, the MRM must be getting under the skin for more folks in the public. For Nolan to publish a "Trash the MRA's" article, what we have been doing must be working. The notion that men are equal to women in more that lip service must be really pissing off some people. Seeing the amount of pure feminist vitriol at the mere suggestion that men are human beings too with rights as fathers, brothers, and sons confirms the fact that feminists and their supporters are playing a zero sum game.
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    Yay! It let me post.

    Carlin W says: August 31, 2012 at 2:29 pm
    Not a single sane soul would ever deny that women perpetrate violent crimes, or abuse, or rape, etc. I am sorry for your own victimization – you don’t deserve any of it! Upon examination, an observant human MUST conclude that regardless of the gender of the victim, most violence is perpetrated by MALES. You know it and I know it. School shootings, work shootings, street shootings, home shootings… who’s usually pulling the trigger? Your very own Terri Stoddard of S.A.V.E. cites a study showing that in law enforcement responses to serious assaults and fatalities, the perps are almost always male. In cases of sexual violence it’s 95% or so. Don’t trivialize the monsoon that is men’s violence by reminding us that there exists scattered showers of women’s. Duh.
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    • KM says:
      August 31, 2012 at 8:12 pm
      I don’t know which study Terri cited, but the one conducted by the CDC concluded that, while the majority of the serious injuries and murders are commited by men, domestic violence is instigated by the woman around 50% of the time. It’s more the “mutual combat” variety than abuse from one to the other. Plus, women are more likely in those situations to use weapons.

    • When men kill, they generally do it in a personal, violent way. We find the body, and it’s clear it’s murder.

    • When women kill, they are more likely to do it in a passive way, usually with poison. We find the body, and unless we test for poison, it’s not clear whether or not it’s murder. And we have only her side of the story – the victim can no more defend themselves than if the murder were committed by a man.

    • So the real question is, how man people have been murdered by women that we will never know about?? We really don’t know that men are more violent. We only know they’re more obvious.

    • Nice cherrypicking, though.
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