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On Retroactive Rape

From "Patriarchal Load": On Retroactive Rape

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The implications of redefining rape are broad. It means that all sex has the potential to retroactively become rape. Obviously this is a scary thought for a lot of men. Some would argue that it is criminalizing all sex, though it isn’t. It is merely adding the potentiality for criminality to all sex.

In some ways this is similar to financial fraud (bear with me here, this works I promise). Fraud occurs when there is a knowledge deficit that allows one party to take advantage of another. When someone defrauds me, I do not think they have committed a crime at the time when the crime actually happens. It is only later, when the financial impropriety has been revealed that I actual realize that I was a victim of a crime. Having sex is a judgment made based upon a fairly complex metric of knowledge and assumption. If at a later date, some of that knowledge is proven to be false, it essentially invalidates the original decision. As male tactics go, the concept of convincing a woman that you’re interested in a relationship merely to sleep with her and then abandon her is fairly common. However dishonesty in the acquisition of sex never enters into the current definition of rape. And without that there is no moral hazard created to force honesty and trustworthiness in sexual dealings. Men can continue to use dishonesty as a way of acquiring sex from women.

If the playing field is changed, so that women can retroactively define such dishonest dealing as rape (which it is), without having to suffer through the rigmarole of the current ‘consent’ bullshit, then the entire male approach is forced to change. The often-practiced and admired art of treating women as objects to be manipulated into having sex with you (see “The Game”, et al) will end. Casual sex will not be eliminated, but it will end up being between two people who are fully invested in the idea of casual sex. More importantly the idea that consensual sex can ever happen without full disclosure (again, similar to financial regulations requiring quarter reports to allow investors to make informed decisions) can be put to bed (pun intended).

By denying women volition over defining what happens to their body, we are essentially denying them the ability to control what happens to their body.


 
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Re: On Retroactive Rape

Bahahahahahaha this is great...ah wait comments and answers:

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  1. Iain Hall Says:
    July 12, 2008 at 2:12 am Of course in the spirit of sexual equality you would extent the right to men who have been lied to by the women that they have sex with to bring a similar legal action.
    This is the most stupid idea I have seen from anyone about sex and consent.
    Lay off the drugs and get some experience in the real world, with real people before you embarrass yourself by writing such foolish posts again.
  2. pload Says:
    July 15, 2008 at 10:39 am
    Of course in the spirit of sexual equality you would extent the right to men who have been lied to by the women that they have sex with to bring a similar legal action.
    Don’t really see a need to. The power balance that exists right now strongly favor men, who commit pretty much all the sexual assualts. Anyone who argues that men need more sexual protection is self-delusional.
    Lay off the drugs and get some experience in the real world, with real people before you embarrass yourself by writing such foolish posts again.
    Awh, thanks for the concerns about my health, but I’ve never actually taken drugs and have no desire to start. Maybe it is my real world experience, with real people, with female friends of mine who have been sexually assaulted or sexually brutalized by men that motivate these ‘foolish’ posts.
    You seem to enjoy living in your isolated little bubble where everything is peachy and women aren’t abused. Good for you. Enjoy that. Those of us who actually live in the real world can continue without you.
I can´t even take this serious. Oh my....



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Don’t really see a need to. The power balance that exists right now strongly favor men, who commit pretty much all the sexual assualts. Anyone who argues that men need more sexual protection is self-delusional.

Yeah right. So when in a third world country the poor commit the most theft, then they are the ones in power, not the rich.


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Re: On Retroactive Rape

That site is dead:

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  1. Feckless Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    August 25, 2008 at 9:03 am
  2. Hi,
    I took some quotes from your previous post as it seems to fit very well, too:
    -How many times have I turned down sex with someone who is clearly not in the state of mind to make a rational decision (drunk, emotionally wounded)? Fairly frequently back in my single days. Even when said female was in bed with me. It is called exercising good judgment.
    You used good judgement? It is rape when sexual activity has occurred and she thinks she has been raped. Good judgement has nothing to do with it. So after your definition you could have raped someone.
    -Fear of this reflects one of two potential mindsets. Either you think women are inherently irrational or evil and will just accuse lots of men of rape.
    # A survey of all the forcible rape complaints during a three-year period at two large Midwestern state universities found that 50 percent of the accusations were false.
    # In a nine-year study of all resolved rape cases in a Midwestern U.S. city of 70,000, the accusers recanted their charges 41 percent of the time. The 41 percent figure does not include the other accusations that the police department recorded as unfounded, for which there was insufficient evidence to establish the assault.
    # According to a report of the Defense Department Inspector General released in 2005, approximately 73% of women and 72% of men at the military service academies believe that false accusations of sexual assault are a problem.
    http://www.mediaradar.org/alert20070423.php
    -Don’t really see a need to. The power balance that exists right now strongly favor men, who commit pretty much all the sexual assualts. Anyone who argues that men need more sexual protection is self-delusional.
    You could argue if women need more sexual protection as well. According to ( http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/glance/rape.htm ) the Bureau of Justice statistics the latest number (2005) on attempted and completed rapes found out that there are 0,5 victims per 1.000 (including male and female) so why the need to say every sex act is potential rape?
    If you ask man about not wanted sexual contacts you may be surprised how often this happens 2 studies found out:
    Two studies examined the prevalence and emotional impact of men’s nonconsensual sexual interactions with women. The first study included a sample of 247 heterosexual men with a mean age of 18.3 years. The second study was a replication with a sample of 153 heterosexual men with a mean age of 22.3 years. All respondents completed a measure of nonconsensual sexual interactions including the use of three aggressive strategies (physical force, exploitation of the man’s incapacitated state, and verbal pressure) and three forms of unwanted sexual contact (kissing/petting, sexual intercourse, and oral sex). In addition, the relationship to the female initiator was explored. For each type of nonconsensual sexual interaction, respondents indicated the affective impact of the experience. In Study 1, 25.1% of respondents reported at least one incident of nonconsensual sex with a woman and 23.9% reported attempts by women to make them engage in nonconsensual sexual activity. In Study 2, the overall prevalence rate for completed nonconsensual sexual interactions was 30.1%, and 23.5% of the men reported attempts at making them engage in nonconsensual sex. In both samples, exploiting the man’s inability to offer resistance was the most frequently reported aggressive strategy. Kissing/petting was the most frequently reported unwanted sexual activity, followed by sexual intercourse and oral sex. Prevalence rates were higher for nonconsensual sex with an (ex-)partner or friend than for nonconsensual sex with an unknown women. Ratings of affective impact revealed that men rated their nonconsensual experiences as moderately upsetting. The findings are discussed in the light of previous studies on men’s unwanted sexual experiences and the extant literature on women’s nonconsensual sexual interactions with men.
    (http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten…b8mu2c5d.alice)
    So why the sexism? Hooray for equality!



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