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    The opposite of Feminist is not Anti-feminist

    Feminism is about female oppression. So why would men claim they are anti-feminists. We want gender neutral laws and equal opportunities for everyone, not the rights of women taken away. Men want equality!
    Take example, the common words used for feminism.
    * Feminist, Feminism and hate meaning, misogyny, misogynist.
    Now lets look at male equivalents.
    * Masculist, Masculism and hate meaning, misandry, misandrist.
    Guess which 4 words are not in most dictionaries. If you said masculist, masculism, misandry, misandrist you are correct. Most people don’t even know what these words are or their meaning. They never seen them in print.
    How can a mens movement exist when the words to describe them are not even known, why it’s Double Plus UnGood.


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    Re: The opposite of Feminist is not Anti-feminist

    Feminism has become a hate movement... hence the 'anti' part that many folks want to latch onto. Personally, I'm anti hate - but i recognise everything you say as accurate.
    The most offensive thing you can do to a feminist is treat her with FULL equality.
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    Re: The opposite of Feminist is not Anti-feminist

    I was wondering if anyone would get my reference.

    But yes, all groups have fringe members, but I'd say on a whole, men want the classic argument "Equal Opportunities not Equal Outcomes"

    As laws go. Men should get the same amount of paternity leave. Women should sign up for the draft.

    Equality to do a job or equality to apply for the job is 2 different things. Thats why a skills test is needed, if a woman can carry a man on her shoulder, pass the test, then she should be able to have the job.

    I don't hate women, I hate some people (women and men) and the laws that help them get away with murder.

    Guess I'm more moderate than some.
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    Re: The opposite of Feminist is not Anti-feminist

    Well what the hell are we supposed to do then Rob also has an argument that we are just spinning our fucking wheels all to no avail for men. I guess we should just give up because we are not going to win anyway there is no way to ensure that we are treated fairly our children have no rights to both parents and doing anything to get our kids access to both parents as Rob appears to beleive will not bebefit anyone. And now Drex my freind if I understand you properly then we are wasting our time trying to be treated in an equitable manner because of the obvious differences between the sexes. So what should we do Rob wants us to be underhanded and take on communist behavior and it would seem Drex you may think the whole fight is worth nothing. Am I wasting my time hoping and working to get men to come together and get them to work for men to be treated as more than slaves and atm machines?
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    Re: The opposite of Feminist is not Anti-feminist

    To be pedantic:

    In modern English and European systems of jurisprudence and law, a right is the legal or moral entitlement to do or refrain from doing something or to obtain or refrain from obtaining an action, thing or recognition in civil society. Compare with duty, referring to behaviour that is expected or required of the citizen, and with privilege, referring to something that can be conferred and revoked.

    Duty (from "due," that which is owing, O. Fr. deu, did, past participle of devoir; Lat. debere, debitum; cf. "debt") is a term loosely applied to any action (or course of action) which is regarded as morally incumbent, apart from personal likes and dislikes or any external compulsion. Such action must be viewed in relation to a principle, which may be abstract in the highest sense (e.g. obedience to the dictates of conscience) or based on local and personal relations. That a father and his children have mutual duties implies that there are moral laws regulating their relationship; that it is the duty of a servant to obey his master within certain limits is part of a definite contract, whereby he becomes a servant engaging to do certain things for a specified wage. Thus, it is held that it is not the duty of a servant to infringe a moral law even though his master should command it. For the nature of duty in the abstract, and the various criteria on which it has been based, see Ethics.

    Many schools of thought have debated the idea of duty. While many assert mankind's duty on their own terms, some philosophers have absolutely rejected a sense of duty (such as the Taoists).

    A privilege—etymologically "private law" or law relating to a specific individual—is a special right or immunity granted by a government to a restricted group, either by birth or on a conditional basis. A privilege can be revoked in some cases. In modern democracies, a 'privilege' is conditional and granted only after birth. By contrast, a 'right' is an inherent, irrevocable entitlement held by all citizens or all humanity from birth.

    Natural rights are universal rights that are seen as inherent in the nature of people and not contingent on human actions or beliefs.

    One theory of natural rights was developed from the theory of natural law during the Enlightenment in opposition to the divine right of kings, and provided a moral justification for liberalism.

    The concept of a natural right can be contrasted with the concept of a legal right: A natural right is one that is claimed to exist even when it is not enforced by the government or society as a whole, while a legal right is a right specifically created by the government or society, for the benefit of its members. The question of which rights are natural and which are legal is an important one in philosophy and politics. Critics of the concept of natural rights argue that all humans rights are legal rights, while proponents of the concept of natural rights in countries such as the United States assert that founding documents like the American Declaration of Independence and social contracts like the Constitution of the United States make natural rights valid by implication.

    The idea of human rights descended from that of natural rights; some recognize no difference between the two and regard both as labels for the same thing while others choose to keep the terms separate to eliminate association with some features traditionally associated with natural rights.

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    Re: The opposite of Feminist is not Anti-feminist

    It makes sense to me that rights should be earned, for example by military service. Currently, if I'm lucky enough to be born in the right place, I could exercise rights that were earned by someone who came before me, at no cost or sacrifice to myself.

    Of course, I could be unlucky enough to be born in a place where I cannot earn any rights, no matter what service I provide to society.

    Rights or priveleges based on luck (locality, ancestry, gender) seem unjust. But nature is unfair, sometimes dramatically so. Maybe the best lawmakers are trying to compensate for bad luck (?)
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    Re: The opposite of Feminist is not Anti-feminist

    What should we do?

    Destroy the state. How? Just like the feminists do.

    The feminists want to have all women's complaints about rape to be taken seriously. Unfortunately the police have stepped up many times to say that roughly 60% possibly more of rape claims are false.

    So how do you get what you want from the police and the law when faced with this? Destroy the police's power by showing them up to be the baddies. That'll sure shut their voices so you can gain power.

    The same needs to happen with state power. Turn on it. Set it up. Spread the word by whatever means possible and have the people spit at it and ignore it and it will become useless to have control of anyone. The state will become powerless over the people.

    Why do you think free speech is being challenged by the state? It is because people have the means to connect together through websites like this. People start connecting and the truth comes out. Not good for the state.

    What each and everyone of us who are against the state need to do is .... wait for it ..... DON'T QUIT. It doesn't matter if we are men, women, lesbians, gay, old or young. We all have one thing in common. We all want freedom. Who cares if you are feminists, anti feminist, love guns, hate guns or whatever. Find a common denominator and you will destroy the state. If the state is feminists, socialists and communists; then you will destroy those things along the way.

    Sadly though, you will find your 'anti' each other when you work together will disappear and you will have to negotiate. About bloody time we as humans got it together, I think.


 

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