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From the blog MRA Revolutionary:

Tuesday, December 19, 2006

STOP THE PRESSES III

Welcome back!

There is one more ingredient to our demise that needs to be examined; the straw that will break the camel’s back.

Quote:
Exponential population decline.
February 11, 2005
MODERNITY DIDN'T WORK (via Mike Daley):
Demographics and the Culture War (Stanley Kurtz, February 2005, Policy Review)
Global fertility rates have fallen by half since 1972. For a modern nation to replace its population, experts explain, the average woman needs to have 2.1 children over the course of her lifetime. Not a single industrialized nation today has a fertility rate of 2.1, and most are well below replacement level.
In Ben Franklin’s day, by contrast, America averaged eight births per woman. American birth rates today are the highest in the industrialized world � yet even those are nonetheless just below the replacement level of 2.1. Moreover, that figure is relatively high only because of America’s substantial immigrant population. Fertility rates among native born American women are now far below what they were even in the 1930s, when the Great Depression forced a sharp reduction in family size…
Declining birth rates mean that societies everywhere will soon be aging to an unprecedented degree. Increasing life expectancy is also contributing to the aging of the world’s population. In 1900, American life expectancy at birth was 47 years. Today it is 76. By 2050, one out of five Americans will be over age 65, making the U.S. population as a whole markedly older than Florida’s population today. Striking as that demographic graying may be, it pales before projections for countries like Italy and Japan. The United Nations estimates that by 2050, 42 percent of all people in Italy and Japan will be aged 60 or older.
Can societies that old sustain themselves? That is the question inviting speculation. With fertility falling swiftly in the developing nations, immigration will not be able to ameliorate certain implications of a rapidly aging West. Even in the short or medium term, the aging imbalance cannot be rectified except through a level of immigration far above what Western countries would find politically acceptable.
Alarmed by the problems of immigration and assimilation, even famously tolerant Holland has begun to turn away immigrants en masse, and this before the recent murder of filmmaker Theo Van Gogh, which has subsequently forced the questions of immigration and demography to the center of the Dutch political stage.
In short, the West is beginning to experience significant demographic changes, with substantial cultural consequences. Historically, the aged have made up only a small portion of society, and the rearing of children has been the chief concern. Now children will become a small minority, and society’s central problem will be caring for the elderly. Yet even this assumes that societies consisting of elderly citizens at levels of 20, 30, even 40 or more percent can sustain themselves at all. That is not obvious.
Population decline is also set to ramify geometrically. As population falls, the pool of potential mothers in each succeeding generation shrinks. So even if, well into the process, there comes a generation of women with a higher fertility rate than their mother’s, the momentum of population decline could still be locked in. Population decline may also be cemented into place by economics. To support the ever-growing numbers of elderly, governments may raise taxes on younger workers. That would make children even less affordable than they are today, decreasing the size of future generations still further.
If worldwide fertility rates reach levels now common in the developing world (and that is where they seem headed), within a few centuries, the world’s population could shrink below the level of America’s today.
Of course, it’s unlikely that mankind will simply cease to exist for failure to reproduce. But the critical point is that we cannot reverse that course unless something happens to substantially increase fertility rates. And whatever might raise fertility rates above replacement level will almost certainly require fundamental cultural change.
Why does modern social life translate into the lower birth rates that spark all those wider implications? Urbanization is one major factor. In a traditional agricultural society, children are put to work early. They also inherit family land, using its fruits to care for aging parents. In a modern urban economy, on the other hand, children represent a tremendous expense, and one increasingly unlikely to be returned to parents in the form of wealth or care. With the growth of a consumer economy, potential parents are increasingly presented with a zero-sum choice between children and more consumer goods and services for themselves.
Along with urbanization, the other important factor depressing world fertility is the movement of women into the workforce, and the technological changes that have made that movement possible. By the time many professional women have completed their educations, their prime childbearing years have passed. Thus, a woman’s educational level is the best predictor of how many children she will have. As Wattenberg shows, worldwide, the correlation between falling female illiteracy and falling female fertility is nearly exact. And as work increasingly becomes an option for women, having a child means not only heavy new expenses, but also the loss of income that a mother might otherwise have gained through work.
Technological change also stands behind the movement of women into the workforce. In a modern, knowledge-based economy, women suffer no physical disadvantage. The ability of women to work in turn depends upon the capacity of modern contraception, along with abortion, to control fertility efficiently. The sheer breadth and rapidity of world fertility decline implies that contraceptive technology has been a necessary condition of the change. Before fertility could be reliably controlled through medical technology, marriage and accompanying strictures against out-of-wedlock births were the key check on a society’s birth rate. Economic decline meant delayed marriage, and thus lower fertility. But contraceptive technology now makes it possible to efficiently control fertility within marriage. This turns motherhood into a choice. And what demographic decline truly shows is that when childbearing has become a matter of sheer choice, it has become less frequent.
The movement of population from tightly knit rural communities into cities, along with contraception, abortion, and the related entry of women into the workforce, explain many of the core cultural changes of the postmodern world. Secularism, individualism, and feminism are tied to a social system that discourages fertility. If a low-fertility world is unsustainable, then these cultural trends may be unsustainable as well.
Alternatively, if these cultural trends cannot be modified or counterbalanced, human population appears on course to shrink ever more swiftly…
Depopulation. The same event that befell Sparta. It seems that wherever women neglect their duties to hearth and home, disaster soon follows. And when disaster strikes, women's rights are soon lost in the confusion.

The problem with a shrinking population is two fold. Less children being born translates into fewer taxes being paid to the government, at the time it needs that income the most.

Secondly, as the number of elderly people drawing on their government benefits increases, so does the expenses of the government agencies charged with administering those benefits. On the aggregate, the whole government begins to incur massive liabilities that it simply cannot afford.

And in our case, feminism has made this scenario even worse by poisoning relations between the sexes to the point where they do not even wish to marry and reproduce, which is the position we find ourselves in today. We have a generation of children raised by, and born to single parent families. As we have explored previously, this crop of children is more expensive than, and inferior to, children raised in the stable two parent family that feminism has all but destroyed.

It is a vicious circle of government debt, government subsidies to women and children, government outlays to disenfranchise the men that the government needs to work, government spending to prosecute and imprison those men and boys that the government needs to be productive and sire the next generation of workers.
Humanity has already been here and done that. Too bad we never learn. You can see the dilemma quite clearly by now I hope.

In short, Feminism is dead. Marriage is dead. The nation is lost.

Save yourselves, save your closest love ones. Buy gold, buy canned goods, buy guns.

THE SHIT IS GONNA HIT THE FAN, AND YOU AIN’T GONNA LIKE IT.

Just member, Mamonaku told you so.

Next time, we will continue with the Rights of Man! Later Ace.

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Anonymous said...

The man who conducted this study points out the opportunity cost of a womans choice. You can EITHER Have kids when you are most fertile, OR spend that time advancing your education and "career" but NOT both. THe fact that feminists dont believe in opportunity costs is mearly indicative that wymins studies and other soft sciences really don't like to touch on economics or other such realities, as being too.... patriarchal and logical, Math is Hard...

John said...

While I agree with everything you say in this article I have one caveat to add.

Unlike sparta, we are now on the verge of having the technology to reproduce without much gender cooperation. REcently, A human female egg cell was CREATED in a lab from an adult skin cell. (* there was no viability test on these created eggs, but that is just a matter of time ) The skin cell came from a male researcher, just to be clear. It is just a matter of time before they produce a similar effect with a sperm cell.

Finally Researchers in Australia are "on the verge" of creating a complete artificial womb, able to nurture an embryo from conception to full birth (this research is partially sponsored by a pro life group no less, seeing the research as a viable alternative to abortion )

It would be interesting to see if this technology advances to the point where it becomes possible to replace population in a lab.
( this is not cloning BTW, but rather the creating of a viable embryo from 2 genetically distinct adults, just like sexula reproduction)

Right now the only reason to marry is the desire to have kids ( my reason I will add ) But this technology offers the possibility that fathers ( who statistically do a better job as single parents ) can have a family, with children, while completely avoiding the hassle that modern dating and women have become.

I would be interested to hear your thoughts on these breakthroughs, both from a marriage strike perspective, and your own personal insights.


Mamonaku187 said... John,

I would be happy to comment. So let me think this through and get back to ya.

Anon 11:26pm, you are absolutely right. Opportunity cost is the unbendable law of economics.

We are in serious trouble people. While I think that the artificial birthing technologies could be helpful, we could possibly be facing total breakdown long before these technologies become safe, affordable, and able to make a dent into the declining birthrate thing.
But this I must ponder in more detail.



~ A man needs a woman like a lion needs a stove. ~

~ Women deserve only equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. ~

~ Men are not collectively "guilty" of anything. ~

~ Never needing to be pregnant is a blessing. ~

~ Feminist ideology “men have to respect women, but women have no reason to respect men” ~

~ Everybody makes choices, and nobody should be entitled to special treatment because of those choices.
Equal results based on unequal treatment amounts to no kind of equality at all. ~
 
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Exponential population decline in modern nations. Cultural Trends must be modified.

From the blog MRA Revolutionary:

Tuesday, December 19, 2006

STOP THE PRESSES III

Welcome back!

There is one more ingredient to our demise that needs to be examined; the straw that will break the camel’s back.

Quote:
Exponential population decline.
February 11, 2005
MODERNITY DIDN'T WORK (via Mike Daley):
Demographics and the Culture War (Stanley Kurtz, February 2005, Policy Review)
Global fertility rates have fallen by half since 1972. For a modern nation to replace its population, experts explain, the average woman needs to have 2.1 children over the course of her lifetime. Not a single industrialized nation today has a fertility rate of 2.1, and most are well below replacement level.
In Ben Franklin’s day, by contrast, America averaged eight births per woman. American birth rates today are the highest in the industrialized world � yet even those are nonetheless just below the replacement level of 2.1. Moreover, that figure is relatively high only because of America’s substantial immigrant population. Fertility rates among native born American women are now far below what they were even in the 1930s, when the Great Depression forced a sharp reduction in family size…
Declining birth rates mean that societies everywhere will soon be aging to an unprecedented degree. Increasing life expectancy is also contributing to the aging of the world’s population. In 1900, American life expectancy at birth was 47 years. Today it is 76. By 2050, one out of five Americans will be over age 65, making the U.S. population as a whole markedly older than Florida’s population today. Striking as that demographic graying may be, it pales before projections for countries like Italy and Japan. The United Nations estimates that by 2050, 42 percent of all people in Italy and Japan will be aged 60 or older.
Can societies that old sustain themselves? That is the question inviting speculation. With fertility falling swiftly in the developing nations, immigration will not be able to ameliorate certain implications of a rapidly aging West. Even in the short or medium term, the aging imbalance cannot be rectified except through a level of immigration far above what Western countries would find politically acceptable.
Alarmed by the problems of immigration and assimilation, even famously tolerant Holland has begun to turn away immigrants en masse, and this before the recent murder of filmmaker Theo Van Gogh, which has subsequently forced the questions of immigration and demography to the center of the Dutch political stage.
In short, the West is beginning to experience significant demographic changes, with substantial cultural consequences. Historically, the aged have made up only a small portion of society, and the rearing of children has been the chief concern. Now children will become a small minority, and society’s central problem will be caring for the elderly. Yet even this assumes that societies consisting of elderly citizens at levels of 20, 30, even 40 or more percent can sustain themselves at all. That is not obvious.
Population decline is also set to ramify geometrically. As population falls, the pool of potential mothers in each succeeding generation shrinks. So even if, well into the process, there comes a generation of women with a higher fertility rate than their mother’s, the momentum of population decline could still be locked in. Population decline may also be cemented into place by economics. To support the ever-growing numbers of elderly, governments may raise taxes on younger workers. That would make children even less affordable than they are today, decreasing the size of future generations still further.
If worldwide fertility rates reach levels now common in the developing world (and that is where they seem headed), within a few centuries, the world’s population could shrink below the level of America’s today.
Of course, it’s unlikely that mankind will simply cease to exist for failure to reproduce. But the critical point is that we cannot reverse that course unless something happens to substantially increase fertility rates. And whatever might raise fertility rates above replacement level will almost certainly require fundamental cultural change.
Why does modern social life translate into the lower birth rates that spark all those wider implications? Urbanization is one major factor. In a traditional agricultural society, children are put to work early. They also inherit family land, using its fruits to care for aging parents. In a modern urban economy, on the other hand, children represent a tremendous expense, and one increasingly unlikely to be returned to parents in the form of wealth or care. With the growth of a consumer economy, potential parents are increasingly presented with a zero-sum choice between children and more consumer goods and services for themselves.
Along with urbanization, the other important factor depressing world fertility is the movement of women into the workforce, and the technological changes that have made that movement possible. By the time many professional women have completed their educations, their prime childbearing years have passed. Thus, a woman’s educational level is the best predictor of how many children she will have. As Wattenberg shows, worldwide, the correlation between falling female illiteracy and falling female fertility is nearly exact. And as work increasingly becomes an option for women, having a child means not only heavy new expenses, but also the loss of income that a mother might otherwise have gained through work.
Technological change also stands behind the movement of women into the workforce. In a modern, knowledge-based economy, women suffer no physical disadvantage. The ability of women to work in turn depends upon the capacity of modern contraception, along with abortion, to control fertility efficiently. The sheer breadth and rapidity of world fertility decline implies that contraceptive technology has been a necessary condition of the change. Before fertility could be reliably controlled through medical technology, marriage and accompanying strictures against out-of-wedlock births were the key check on a society’s birth rate. Economic decline meant delayed marriage, and thus lower fertility. But contraceptive technology now makes it possible to efficiently control fertility within marriage. This turns motherhood into a choice. And what demographic decline truly shows is that when childbearing has become a matter of sheer choice, it has become less frequent.
The movement of population from tightly knit rural communities into cities, along with contraception, abortion, and the related entry of women into the workforce, explain many of the core cultural changes of the postmodern world. Secularism, individualism, and feminism are tied to a social system that discourages fertility. If a low-fertility world is unsustainable, then these cultural trends may be unsustainable as well.
Alternatively, if these cultural trends cannot be modified or counterbalanced, human population appears on course to shrink ever more swiftly…
Depopulation. The same event that befell Sparta. It seems that wherever women neglect their duties to hearth and home, disaster soon follows. And when disaster strikes, women's rights are soon lost in the confusion.

The problem with a shrinking population is two fold. Less children being born translates into fewer taxes being paid to the government, at the time it needs that income the most.

Secondly, as the number of elderly people drawing on their government benefits increases, so does the expenses of the government agencies charged with administering those benefits. On the aggregate, the whole government begins to incur massive liabilities that it simply cannot afford.

And in our case, feminism has made this scenario even worse by poisoning relations between the sexes to the point where they do not even wish to marry and reproduce, which is the position we find ourselves in today. We have a generation of children raised by, and born to single parent families. As we have explored previously, this crop of children is more expensive than, and inferior to, children raised in the stable two parent family that feminism has all but destroyed.

It is a vicious circle of government debt, government subsidies to women and children, government outlays to disenfranchise the men that the government needs to work, government spending to prosecute and imprison those men and boys that the government needs to be productive and sire the next generation of workers.
Humanity has already been here and done that. Too bad we never learn. You can see the dilemma quite clearly by now I hope.

In short, Feminism is dead. Marriage is dead. The nation is lost.

Save yourselves, save your closest love ones. Buy gold, buy canned goods, buy guns.

THE SHIT IS GONNA HIT THE FAN, AND YOU AIN’T GONNA LIKE IT.

Just member, Mamonaku told you so.

Next time, we will continue with the Rights of Man! Later Ace.

--------------------

Anonymous said...

The man who conducted this study points out the opportunity cost of a womans choice. You can EITHER Have kids when you are most fertile, OR spend that time advancing your education and "career" but NOT both. THe fact that feminists dont believe in opportunity costs is mearly indicative that wymins studies and other soft sciences really don't like to touch on economics or other such realities, as being too.... patriarchal and logical, Math is Hard...

John said...

While I agree with everything you say in this article I have one caveat to add.

Unlike sparta, we are now on the verge of having the technology to reproduce without much gender cooperation. REcently, A human female egg cell was CREATED in a lab from an adult skin cell. (* there was no viability test on these created eggs, but that is just a matter of time ) The skin cell came from a male researcher, just to be clear. It is just a matter of time before they produce a similar effect with a sperm cell.

Finally Researchers in Australia are "on the verge" of creating a complete artificial womb, able to nurture an embryo from conception to full birth (this research is partially sponsored by a pro life group no less, seeing the research as a viable alternative to abortion )

It would be interesting to see if this technology advances to the point where it becomes possible to replace population in a lab.
( this is not cloning BTW, but rather the creating of a viable embryo from 2 genetically distinct adults, just like sexula reproduction)

Right now the only reason to marry is the desire to have kids ( my reason I will add ) But this technology offers the possibility that fathers ( who statistically do a better job as single parents ) can have a family, with children, while completely avoiding the hassle that modern dating and women have become.

I would be interested to hear your thoughts on these breakthroughs, both from a marriage strike perspective, and your own personal insights.


Mamonaku187 said... John,

I would be happy to comment. So let me think this through and get back to ya.

Anon 11:26pm, you are absolutely right. Opportunity cost is the unbendable law of economics.

We are in serious trouble people. While I think that the artificial birthing technologies could be helpful, we could possibly be facing total breakdown long before these technologies become safe, affordable, and able to make a dent into the declining birthrate thing.
But this I must ponder in more detail.



~ A man needs a woman like a lion needs a stove. ~

~ Women deserve only equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. ~

~ Men are not collectively "guilty" of anything. ~

~ Never needing to be pregnant is a blessing. ~

~ Feminist ideology “men have to respect women, but women have no reason to respect men” ~

~ Everybody makes choices, and nobody should be entitled to special treatment because of those choices.
Equal results based on unequal treatment amounts to no kind of equality at all. ~
 
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