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As for your other point, I (again) think it's deplorable that one of the most vulnerable, sensitive and sacred places on anyone's body could be harmed like that...and laughed about! I feel even worse for you guys since your parts are more "out there" than mine.

Vulnerable? Yes. I have often wondered why Nature has designed the male body to leave such a valuable organ totally exposed outside of any bone or muscle to protect it; the only organ in either male or female with such weakness. OK, I know it's because the testes have to be at a lower temperature than the rest of the body, but that still leaves the question of why we have to be designed that way.

Sensitive? Certainly.

But sacred? Emphatically not. I have never in all my life before heard anyone use that word to describe male genitalia. You are totally unique in doing so, Traveler. And I have never seen or heard anyone treat them as sacred. The overwhelming attitude that I have seen depicted time and time again is to regard them with either fear, contempt or amusement; or some combination of all three. Even the medical profession treat them with, at best, a kind of embarrassed, neutral indifference. All the more remarkable considering the male testicle is in fact the cradle of human life, and where we all began our journeys, male and female alike. Maybe one day we will come to show the respect that these miraculous parts of us deserve.

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I did get kicked in the balls by a dude once. Punched him in the nose and it never happened again. For some reason were sorta friends...

Floaty sent a little couplet to me in a chat yesterday:

"Guys fight & become friends,

Girls fight & it never ends."

To which I added:

"Guys & girls fight: dividends."

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But sacred? Emphatically not. I have never in all my life before heard anyone use that word to describe male genitalia. You are totally unique in doing so, Traveler. And I have never seen or heard anyone treat them as sacred. The overwhelming attitude that I have seen depicted time and time again is to regard them with either fear, contempt or amusement; or some combination of all three. Even the medical profession treat them with, at best, a kind of embarrassed, neutral indifference. All the more remarkable considering the male testicle is in fact the cradle of human life, and where we all began our journeys, male and female alike. Maybe one day we will come to show the respect that these miraculous parts of us deserve.

Well of course they are sacred. You cannot have the "sacred feminine" without the "sacred masculine"...as both egg and sperm are required to create a new life, I don't have any clue why one would take precedence over the other.

Fear? I can honestly say that while I've definitely feared the *owner* of said genitals, and what they threatened to do with them...I've never been afraid of the penis/testicles themselves.

Contempt? Ummm, why would that even happen? I don't feel contempt for someone's ears or hands or nose. I may be betraying my naivety here, but I don't know how you can be contemptuous toward a body part.

Amusement? Ok, I have felt this, but maybe not in the way you mean. Without going into too much detail, I'll let you know this; I was a mess before I met my lover...to the point where I truly thought I had no libido. However, he is/was kind and slow and caring, and helped me rediscover it on my own terms. This included just lying back and safely allowing me to touch a male body without fear of being forced to do anything besides what I wanted. The amusement that I felt when finding just how a man's ears, nipples, genitals, chest, etc react was amusing for me in the same way that you're in a dream and you find it amusing that you can fly. It was like, "Hey! This has been here all along, but I never knew this could happen! Let's see what ELSE I can do now that I know about it!"

Now that I type it out, I realize it sounds kind of weird. I hope nobody finds my comparison creepy...it's really the closest I can come to describing my feelings about this topic.

Traveler,

Have you ever considered giving non-feminist seminars about your journey and its discoveries? Seriously.

I haven't heard or read a woman being this blunt, self-aware and unjudging about sexuality in thirty years.

You really have no idea how rare you are, do you?

You're funny, girly, self-amused, curious, humble, adaptive, and I bet you're cute as a button too.

I never, EVER, say this but,

You go, girl.

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I'm gonna go ahead and applaud you again, Trav, so if it embarrasses you I guess get over it.

If you had any idea how many relationships I and every man I know have had, that were based not only on a girl's stories of abuses suffered in childhood, which I never doubted, but also on her perceived right to use the experiences as a license to be in turn abusive, adulterous, frigid, chronically indecisive, cripplingly non-commital, lazy, negligent, cruel, gluttonous, slanderous, psychotic, misandrist, promiscuous, duplicitous, unaccountable, you name it,

You'd know what a refreshing young lady you really are.

Shit happens, and we all have it in our back pockets and drag it around through life.

But basing one's life on it, giving the abuser the ultimate creative power in shaping a life and the lives of those close to them?

Frankly, it's boring, and the results are predictable.

It IS a little embarrassing, considering I'm just trying to be logical in my life and it's situations. But I will thank you for your kindness because I understand the feelings behind them.

Actually, I was surprised by your words before I blushed from them. I've been told in the past that as;
I've only been sexually abused (and not genitally raped),
I've only had things thrown at me (and not hit by a fist),
I've never been emotionally torn by a spouse (only a father figure)
...that my life hasn't really been THAT bad, and I'm shaming the people who HAVE had it worse by "complaining" about my issues. Strange, as I've only been told this by other women...

I suppose my "problem" stems from the fact that I really do believe that life WILL get better, but only if I make it happen. How would it have helped me if I never learned to love men again? How would it have helped me if I remained closed off and afraid my whole life? How would I have made my life better if I ruined someone else's because of my past experiences?

The answer is, I would not have. I may not even be 30 yet, but I've come to accept that life is for loving, learning and LIVING. Corny, but true.

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Traveler,

Have you ever considered giving non-feminist seminars about your journey and its discoveries? Seriously.

I haven't heard or read a woman being this blunt, self-aware and unjudging about sexuality in thirty years.

You really have no idea how rare you are, do you?

You're funny, girly, self-amused, curious, humble, adaptive, and I bet you're cute as a button too.

I never, EVER, say this but,

You go, girl.

Oh geez, who would listen to me? I'm a average looking young woman who needs glasses to see more than 10 feet away from her, thinks that frozen yogurt should be a food group, and is of the "feminist" religion of Wicca.
I'm not a buxom, self assured woman whose face could grace a stage, or a gray haired elder who knows so much she was probably around during the big bang. I already have trouble convincing my customers that I really DO know how to replace a 72 pin connector in an NES console...no one would believe that I could enjoy/respect menfolk as much as I do.

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It IS a little embarrassing, considering I'm just trying to be logical in my life and it's situations. But I will thank you for your kindness because I understand the feelings behind them.

Actually, I was surprised by your words before I blushed from them. I've been told in the past that as;
I've only been sexually abused (and not genitally raped),
I've only had things thrown at me (and not hit by a fist),
I've never been emotionally torn by a spouse (only a father figure)
...that my life hasn't really been THAT bad, and I'm shaming the people who HAVE had it worse by "complaining" about my issues. Strange, as I've only been told this by other women...

I suppose my "problem" stems from the fact that I really do believe that life WILL get better, but only if I make it happen. How would it have helped me if I never learned to love men again? How would it have helped me if I remained closed off and afraid my whole life? How would I have made my life better if I ruined someone else's because of my past experiences?

The answer is, I would not have. I may not even be 30 yet, but I've come to accept that life is for loving, learning and LIVING. Corny, but true.



Oh geez, who would listen to me? I'm a average looking young woman who needs glasses to see more than 10 feet away from her, thinks that frozen yogurt should be a food group, and is of the "feminist" religion of Wicca.
I'm not a buxom, self assured woman whose face could grace a stage, or a gray haired elder who knows so much she was probably around during the big bang. I already have trouble convincing my customers that I really DO know how to replace a 72 pin connector in an NES console...no one would believe that I could enjoy/respect menfolk as much as I do.

You got me convinced, hon.

And your looks? I'm still seein' cute as a button. Ever seen that "vagina monologue" chick?

This just in: ladies, Hot women are vain, self-obsessed, demanding creatures that belong in the limelight they call on themselves, and the "average" guy spends his life entertaining certain fantasies about them in the abstract, but on meeting one is as often as not repelled by the sheer conceit radiating from such rarefied superbeings. Gals like you, just gals that is, are the coworkers and cashiers and everyday gals we flirt with and commiserate with and adore in a courtly way, and make us remember that there is indeed hope, that all the self-promotion and ice-veined competitiveness of a Club Sex society hasn't crept all the way down to our level.

And your kind of girl used to be a lot more common, and accepted, and take it from somebody twice your age, the world is running out of you, and I for one say we need this kind of womanhood much more than some revoutionary sociopolitical elite of polished Ivy Leaguers and bitter professional victims to tell us all what we think.

I stand my ground, and you are what you are, and (my new greeting)

Thanks for being.

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Well of course they are sacred. You cannot have the "sacred feminine" without the "sacred masculine"...as both egg and sperm are required to create a new life, I don't have any clue why one would take precedence over the other.

Modern western culture has destroyed all that is sacred and turned it into filth. The best we can do is to keep these things sacred within us.

I wish more people would see what they could be and work to be that instead of only caring about what "feels right". And I like what you have said. It is possible to have the "sacred feminine" and the "sacred masculine", but not without work.

I was a mess before I met my lover...to the point where I truly thought I had no libido. However, he is/was kind and slow and caring, and helped me rediscover it on my own terms. This included just lying back and safely allowing me to touch a male body without fear of being forced to do anything besides what I wanted. The amusement that I felt when finding just how a man's ears, nipples, genitals, chest, etc react was amusing for me in the same way that you're in a dream and you find it amusing that you can fly. It was like, "Hey! This has been here all along, but I never knew this could happen! Let's see what ELSE I can do now that I know about it!"

That's not an uncommon experience. So are men to blame for being 'brutish' or women for picking the wrong men? Of, course the answer is "neither"; unless you happen to be a feminist.

The answer is, I would not have. I may not even be 30 yet, but I've come to accept that life is for loving, learning and LIVING. Corny, but true.

No to 'corny', yes to true. As a man I'd arrange them as 'Learning, living (according to what you've learned) and loving (according to what you've learned and lived). But what the Hell do I know?

OMG, I just made such an ass of myself on another thread!

I was corrected on my quite nasty impressions of a woman who posted a video
that I found, say,
difficult,
about some of the issues we are discussing here, by someone who knows her
and pretty well refuted my every epithet and
(yes, me) reductionist cliche
I hurled at her,
and as a grownup man I had to apologize.

But I am always looking for the opportunities;
even the ones I'm picking from my teeth
after tripping over my tongue.

And here is a precise example,
me falling into a trap of my own making,
of how we are so much of the time

just reacting to each other.

And the impressions we form
based on experiences,
stereotypes,
need for approval,
and plain ignorance.

And I just wanted you all to know
it won't happen again.
(unless it does, I guess)

For men who think they are slaves to the va-jay-jay...

What a time I'm having, being me...

I tend to almost invariably be REACTIVE when I am on forums.. Sometimes I post polls, because I am interested in opinions, and that to me is more "productive"..

But when a person reacts, he or she is usually going to either agree, or be critical..

Occasionally, over react.. And sometimes, each over reactions provokes another over-reaction..

To stay in this game, one has to be able to temper the effects of over-reaction, understand the nature of "damaged men" and have some admiration for ANYONE who posts their opiniion, be it right or wrong.. (Or if you agree or not)..

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@Julie. I'm not looking to extend a Monty Python-esque silliness, but do point out where 'men kick women in the groin and many other places.'

Hi CD, I have been under the impression antimisandrists (people who are anti the hatred of men) are aware the hatred of women exists and they are adding to it.

I don't think it appropriate i start adding violent men to a site that promotes violent women for a long term benefit to bring about punishment for violent women.

With due respect to you and me, I am hoping you are aware I can't ignore one side for the other and thus I am constantly sent media articles dealing with all violence between men and women and all violence on children as well as those who suffer injustice.

You can't be popular with media and politicians if you are too sheltered when it comes to trying to change things.

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Well of course they are sacred. You cannot have the "sacred feminine" without the "sacred masculine"...as both egg and sperm are required to create a new life, I don't have any clue why one would take precedence over the other.

Fear? I can honestly say that while I've definitely feared the *owner* of said genitals, and what they threatened to do with them...I've never been afraid of the penis/testicles themselves.

Contempt? Ummm, why would that even happen? I don't feel contempt for someone's ears or hands or nose. I may be betraying my naivety here, but I don't know how you can be contemptuous toward a body part.

Amusement? Ok, I have felt this, but maybe not in the way you mean. Without going into too much detail, I'll let you know this; I was a mess before I met my lover...to the point where I truly thought I had no libido. However, he is/was kind and slow and caring, and helped me rediscover it on my own terms. This included just lying back and safely allowing me to touch a male body without fear of being forced to do anything besides what I wanted. The amusement that I felt when finding just how a man's ears, nipples, genitals, chest, etc react was amusing for me in the same way that you're in a dream and you find it amusing that you can fly. It was like, "Hey! This has been here all along, but I never knew this could happen! Let's see what ELSE I can do now that I know about it!"

Now that I type it out, I realize it sounds kind of weird. I hope nobody finds my comparison creepy...it's really the closest I can come to describing my feelings about this topic.

Traveler, I fear you misunderstood my post. I was not suggesting that you personally were not regarding men's genitals as sacred. I was making the point that in my long experience you are unique in doing so. Because nobody else seems to. And if you want proof, just look at the MSM. I have lost count of the times I have seen films, soaps, videos and all the other manifestations of popular so-called "culture" treating male bodies in general and male genitals in particular, as target practice. And successfully destroying them is treated as something to be applauded and rewarded. There is the contempt, writ large for all to see.

And yes, I believe there is a genuine fear of men's sexuality, that is stoked up and exaggerated by a whole host of agencies and forces in our society, from governments downwards. That too leads to the "amusement" aspect of the abuse; there is a link between fear and laughter. Being able to laugh at something that secretly scares you provides an outlet for that fear. Depicting the destruction of male bodies and male genitalia as right royal entertainment, is one of the common examples. I don't believe that is or ever should be appropriate, but it seems I am in a small minority.