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Old 25th-November-2007
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Men lose another right

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On Friday, I stumbled upon the website of UK national newspaper The Mirror. Browsing through their message board, I noticed a category entitled: Do men have a right to know they're dads.

The description of the forum reads:

Does a man have any right to know he is a father, or is it up to the woman to decide whether she tells him and what she does with the baby?

Just the fact that this question is being asked, says a lot about men's rights in the UK. Or rather, the lack of.

There is a thread in the forum which reads:

I don't think this can be answered with a yes or a no, very complicated situation.

All sorts of scenarios?

Is the man a drug addict or alcohol?
is he is in a stable job?
what stability can he bring to that childs life?
Is he a married man?
Whats his character?
Is the woman wanting financial support?


If a man is a father of a child(or due to be), he has a right to be informed. Perhaps there are one or two extreme scenarios in which it is acceptable to keep quiet, however this certainly doesn't apply to cases such as when the man has an insecure job or is married to another woman.

I decided to respond by reversing the scenarios(and correcting the spelling and grammar):

Is the woman a drug addict or alcoholic?
Is she is in a stable job?
What stability can she bring to that child's life?
Is she a married woman?
What's her character?

Ironically, one day later, this story was in the news: Mother who gave birth after one-night stand wins right to keep baby secret from the father

So in the UK today, it is considered acceptable to hide from a man the fact that he is the father of a child.

It is also considered acceptable to jail a man who refuses to pay child support for children who he has 50-50 custody of(see Michael Cox).

In other words, father's are now nothing more than walking wallets or an optional extra.

And feminists tell us that we are living in a patriarchy.
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Old 25th-November-2007
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Re: Men lose another right

I did a post on this, so I'll put that instead of saying anything else lol


Mother can keep birth ‘a secret’

You can read the article through the link. I’ll only post certain quotes.


The three appeal judges agreed “the ultimate veto” over who is told about the birth lay with the mother.

The father has nothing to do with it. He is just a mere ‘man’ afterall.


Lady Justice Arden said the father’s rights had not been violated because he did not have any to violate.

Now it’s admitted. Fathers have no rights. Except when it comes to forcing him to pay for the child of course, whether it is his or not. Just look up paternity fraud…


John Baker, chairman of Families Need Fathers, said “It treats the child as the property of the mother, to be disposed of as she sees fit.”
He said the ruling, taken in conjunction with the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill which could remove the requirement for IVF clinics to recognise the need of a father, was “intensely worrying”.
He said: “A strong message seems to be sent that makes fathers redundant in the upbringing of children.”

F*ck the govenment. It is obvious now that they are at war with men. As in any totalitarian regime, you want to attack those who will pose the biggest threat to your complete power. They disenfranchise men and who will be left?


Fathers 4 Justice barrister Michael Cox said: “This father is the victim of a wicked deceit in which the State has been complicit.

Yes, nothing new with the State backing women in taking rights away from men and fathers, and also children. Denying the child the right to its father.. oh I just remembered, fathers don’t have any rights. I guess also since it isn’t unethical to deny the child a father, the man must be a non-entity in the eyes of human rights?


“It is now clear that the Government believes children have no entitlement to a relationship with their fathers and that children are the property of their mothers and of the State.”

Lord Justice Thorpe said: “The law improves the opportunity of the child of anonymous birth to search out its biological origin.

Child of anonymous birth? Who the f*ck is this? The Virgin Mary? Last time I checked, conception is when sperm fertilises an egg. That sperm didn’t come from ‘anonymous’. It came from a man. Unless men are not even entitled to an identity now.


The government is on a mission to disenfranchise men. Period. Removing men means removing their competition to the regulation of society. Countless studies prove the connection between fatherlessness and crime, drug abuse, low self-esteem etc. All of these things lead to social chaos. That is EXACTLY what the government wants.


Coupled with that recent attack on men, fathers, and child rights, I think it is pretty obvious to me who the government views the enemy as…


F*CK EM!



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Re: Men lose another right

This is the problem with the cunting plebian stupidity of seeing everything in terms of artificial state created and judged "rights"..

end of the day, they are artificial and nature is what matters really..

In this instance.. men have no natural rights to be informed that they are going to be fathers, for fucks sake, why the hell should they have?

At the same time, women have no natural rights to demand child support or any support in any way from fathers..

fair fucking deal i say..

Only, we live in a rights based culture that prevents nature from working by replacing the natural rights we have to simply try to get justice ourselves by our own representaions personally with a stupid system of rights that can never be applied to men because women have hogged all the rights already and most rights are mutually exclusive when it comes to gender issues..

The common tactic used to sidestep the rights of parents is to try and shift them over, "in theory" to kids..

But that is even more fucking ludicrous, because kids lack the ability to know whats best for them..

So, guess who ends up with all the rights to decide?

Yes, the jolly old state acts as judge and jury, hiding being the "best interests of the children" and thereby infantilising parents below the level of kids even!!

And, seems that the EP groups are happy with this!!

Fucking stupid..

Until the MRM gets its head out of its arse and ditches the "rights" approach it will simply be pissing against the wind..

Its the rights of women that need to be fucking scrapped, not a new set of unrealistic righst created for men!

Mind you, I realised sometime ago I am preaching to the unconvertable here!!

Not that there is anywhere else a more enlightened auidience..

The rights based culture will end in time, when the state cnat afford it any longer!!

I wait for that day..


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And what is to happen next? What does the future hold?

There are signs appearing that the great tsunami wave that has swept father's rights down the tube is about to break and dump a billion tons of water travelling at a hundred miles an hour on top of mothers.

In Oz, we have had a change of Guvmunt and already the word 'mother' is disappearing. Every discussion of children and funding and policy refers to 'carers'. The word 'parent' has virtually disappeared from Guvmunt language. I haven't heard the Labor Party (now in power) use 'parent' in six months. Father has become a swear-word. 'Mother' is on its way out. It is only used in concert with 'single' and even then its 'mum' rather than mother.

Fathers as we know them have become merely the whipping post, their 'awful' masculine behaviour (such as trying to excercise a little discipline and guidance) used occasionally to justify woman having sole custody. Mothers will soon be so much the only ones who have any daily care and responsibility for children that it will become more and more 'normal' to see news article about abused children having always to refer to female 'carers'. Very soon, it will be the women's turn to be publicly excoriated.

The feminists never forsaw that one, I bet. Dupes of Marxists.



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Re: Men lose another right

yes percy, clearly, the state is wishing to eradicate parents from childrens lives as much as possible, it is doing this by stealth and sadly most parents play striaght into the hands of the state..

Mothers in particualr will fall very easily..

I bet no one ever realised just how easily women will be powerless without the support of the fathers!

Thats why the state had to first ensure fathers where removed or rendered powerless..

It took perhaps 100 years to break fathers hold on the family..

I think it will not take a decade to finish mothers off..

I reckon by 2020 we will be seeing parents thinking its pretty normal to expect to hand their kids over to the state to be raised by state approved guardians and social worker types and that they are really fortunate if they dont have to make an application in court to see them for the approved weekends and after school..


 
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Guys you are so right.

A male politician asked the Government on the floor, "Don't parents have rights?"

The feminist politician answered, "Parents have NO rights, only responsibilities."

In England at the moment billionaires are investing their money into state centres for children.

http://singleparents.org.nz/2007/10/...stering-in-nz/

The mothers are losing their children very quickly now that the laws are coming in for the kids.


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Re: Men lose another right

yes, the writing is on the wall..


 
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