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    What does misandry mean to you?

    As I have stated before, there is a wide range of opinions here on the AM site.

    Having said that, I realize that many MRAs will view misandry differently. That is to say, that what one MRA will consider misandry will not be so to another MRA. (Now I do realize that there are many examples where all MRAs will agree that it is definitely misandry, so I'm not referring to those I'm talking about the "gray area" examples). In my case, I don't necessarily believe that every single instance of a male being portrayed in a negative or unfavorable way is misandry or anti-male sexism. For me, it depends on the context, who the target audience is, and what the overall message is. In the same way, I also don't feel that every instance of a female being portrayed in a negative or unfavorable manner is necessarily misogyny or anti-female sexism. To use examples, I don't think a commercial selling a dollhouse to a little girl is anti-female sexism or misogyny, whereas a woman being brutally raped is. Conversely, I don't think that a video showing a man tumbling down a hill and hitting a parked vehicle is anti-male sexism or misandry, where a commercial showing a bumbling idiot husband/dad in front of his smart and got-it-together wife would be.

    So what are your thoughts on this? What does misandry mean to you?

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    Re: What does misandry mean to you?

    For me, misandry isn't so much the advertisement itself - but the 'drip drip drip' onslaught of 'stupid man/clever woman' (sometimes even the preteen kids are shown to be considerably more intelligent than their father).

    If it was a one off here and there, that would be quite reasonable - but the sheer volume of endless dumb-dad and useless-husband commercials becomes nauseating.

    The feminism issue demonstrates misandry when the one recurring point they make is that men, a man or 'teh patriarchy' is somehow to blame for just about any problem. In a recent thread by Lady Caf, even when courts give in endlessly to women's demands by screwing husbands out of their own home and finances - even that is somehow 'teh patriarchy's fault.


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    Re: What does misandry mean to you?

    Marx, I really don't know.

    But I'm going to venture to say that perhaps LC's view is that "patriarchy" as a system benefits and oppresses both men and women (albeit in different ways). It does not "discriminate". She seems to believe that while most feminists rail against "The Patriarchy", they are also utilizing it for their own purposes. So it seems to me that LC isn't necessarily "blaming the men" but rather "blaming the system".

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    Re: What does misandry mean to you?

    Quote Quote from Marx
    In a recent thread by Lady Caf, even when courts give in endlessly to women's demands by screwing husbands out of their own home and finances - even that is somehow 'teh patriarchy's fault.
    Marx, that thread was not an attack on men or even intended in that way. It was because of something on Reddit and I thought that might be an interesting discussion, but since patriarchy is a feminist idea I put it in the feminist flipside. Honestly? I really think the issues are more complex than "I'm woman and I'm screwed!" or "I'm a man and I'm screwed!" I said that since the first day I posted here.

    Quote Quote from NowHearThis
    But I'm going to venture to say that perhaps LC's view is that "patriarchy" as a system benefits and oppresses both men and women (albeit in different ways). It does not "discriminate". She seems to believe that while most feminists rail against "The Patriarchy", they are also utilizing it for their own purposes. So it seems to me that LC isn't necessarily "blaming the men" but rather "blaming the system".
    Time for some honest brutal opinions, patriarchy as it's defined by sociology and feminism is a very morally repugnant thing that restricts humanity(it did have it's benefits as zetamale mentioned in that thread, however). People adopted gender roles to suit their environment and their strengths and abilities. The problem with pro-statist liberal feminists*(and their radical creatures like Dworkin) is that while railing against patriarchy, they use state intervention to solve the disadvantages that really did exist( they swung too far in favor of women), but as Percy mentions, shit sucked for men and women and nothing ever happened towards the benefit of men**.

    Anarchists recognize that people can benefit and be oppressed at the same time with the system, some of us call it patriarchy(I really like/prefer kyriarchy, I think it's a much more flexible term and more accurate), but that doesn't mean that men are NOT oppressed, by the system.

    I do NOT think most men are to blame for their problems, I blame the fact that the thing that happened for women (women's lib***) has not happened for men. Quite frankly, I also think that because of this cultural miasma that men are in(there are some conflicting messages getting out there of what makes a man a man), that some hard questions need to be asked(from men) about their own roles and what it means to be a man.

    *Yeah, quite frankly, I really hate liberal feminists, they annoy the piss out of me. Ok, I don't hate them but they annoy me. How working within a system to fix your problems, is liberating, is beyond me, in fact acting within that systems dictates and still being stuck in a box annoys me. Women are not helpless victims of evil.
    **Percy is pretty much right, when feminists say "patriarchy hurts men too" that's what's implied, but never acted on. I DO think feminism was needed and sometimes I think it's still needed, but for fuck's sake men really need liberated too, it is not always about women! What about men like my husband? Are they supposed to be trapped?
    ***In conjunction with the above point^^ We still have yet as a society to demand responsiblity from women, this is because of the social factors that still make women out to be fragile creatures that are victims. Or as Percy would say: Women need to become Adults.
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    Re: What does misandry mean to you?

    Blah blah, the problem is gynocentricism. It is the main cause of misandry on all levels.

    Anarchists recognize that people can benefit and be oppressed at the same time with the system, some of us call it patriarchy(I really like/prefer kyriarchy, I think it's a much more flexible term and more accurate), but that doesn't mean that men are NOT oppressed, by the system.
    Kyiarchy is a feminist weasel-concept. It is no different, and no less offensive than their inane conspiracy of patriarchy. It is simple a watered-down version of their earlier diatribe which feminists realized was insulting and alienating too many people. It is feminist discourse. I reject the concept utterly. As would any sane MRA, or non blue-pill human.

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    Re: What does misandry mean to you?

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    Kyiarchy is a feminist weasel-concept.
    Fair enough. I just use the term because it expresses my attitude of WHY shit stinks in a simple single word(and it really meshes with anarchist philosophy and ideas well)
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    Re: What does misandry mean to you?

    Exactly what it is. The hatred of men. It's a woman's need to blame everything wrong with her life on a fictional tormentor. It is a poison that is constantly puked out by the talking heads in the media and glorified by women who take great pride in acting like thug spawns.
    As misandry continues, so will the ma
    rriage strike.
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    Re: What does misandry mean to you?

    misandry is the salient culture of Western nations that continually deprecates but exploits men and glorifies n rewards wimyn no matter how stupid ;

    wimyn in the developed nations are represented as victims and therefore deserving of unearned benefits at the expense of men eg per false rape allegations agin innocent men Duke Lacrosse !

    the Holy of Holy days within the feminit ethos is when butthead is legally disenfranchised from his assets self-repect kids and future earnings in the star chamber known as the Family Court

    now the cycle is complete another denizen of peonageville on his grindstone

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    Re: What does misandry mean to you?

    what misandry means to me?

    well part of it is the fear mongering and paranoia being propagandated in the domestic violence industry toward's father's and men.
    At one time in my town there were radio adds put out by the women's shelter every twenty minutes,blaming men and holding men responsible for all domestic violence and all violence against women-after about a week of this- i couldn't take it anymore-i called them for what they are and also insinuated that it was nothing short of child abuse to portray the children's father's as wife batterer's,nothing but fear mongering and man-bashing.

    i have not heard one of these adds since in my area.

    i went to a ministerial conference(church leader's) and told them how i felt-they took my concern's very seriously,agreed with me and the advertisements were immediately removed.

    there are other things that misandry means to me but i will leave it at that for now

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    Re: What does misandry mean to you?

    In simplistic analogies it means I'm here with my spear and shield ready to repel the enemy at any moment. Nothing shall pass beyond my beating heart.
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    Re: What does misandry mean to you?

    Thank you everyone for the feedback!

    I appreciate the fact that each of you has let me know under no uncertain terms how you feel without resorting to ad hominem attacks. That is important. Each of you makes points which are worth pondering (and I've done a lot of that already!). I think we all can agree on what misandry means, but we may disagree slightly on how, when and how often misandry manifests itself. Because I am still a new member, I'm just trying to see where I fit in with you all.

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    Re: What does misandry mean to you?

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    Because I am still a new member, I'm just trying to see where I fit in with you all.
    There is no rush fellow, take your time.
    The wicked flee when none pursueth. Proverbs 28:1

    'Rise like Lions after slumber In unvanquishable number - Shake your chains to earth like dew Which in sleep had fallen on you - Ye are many - they are few.'

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