-Men initiate all contact, sex and marriage.

I've had women approach me about these things. Marriage in particular, more women these days seem to be prepared to make the first move with. Of course this isn't an attitude which can be relied upon; women only do this rarely, and in small numbers, so it's best not to go out expecting women to approach you.

-Men put women's comfort and well being first by giving up jackets seats. There is no female equivalent of chivalry.

An intelligent woman who thinks ahead will not require you to forgo anything because she will already possess the things she needs to be comfortable and warm. The female equivalent of chivalry is to show good manners and act in a fashion which is becoming of a lady, which includes a graceful reception of and a measure of attentiveness toward men's sacrifices and chivalry. If you are not made to feel good for showing selflessness, if she does not react in a complimentary fashion to your gentlemanly conduct then she is not worthy of it. It is as simple as that.

-Men are the more physically protective ones. They get the car in the rain, check on the noise, and give up the safer car. Men walk women home although men are at greater risk.

I won't refute this. Men are also physically stronger than women and more capable in dangerous situations, mentally and physically they are faster and tougher; if you love a woman, you will not cherish the thought of her coming to harm, in which case be protective, but do not be a fool and realize that it is not incumbent upon you to act in this fashion. However with that said these things should not merely be reserved for lovers; would you not extend to your mother such a courtesy? I would, and to my sister as well. I certainly would not do this for some stranger who I had only just met, no matter how ladylike and charming she may be.

-Men are the dependable , emotionally stronger rocks.

While I agree with you that for the most part men are more emotionally stable, and generally more dependant in this area, nobody is perfect, nor do people's moods change with any respect toward synchronicity. You rarely give credit to the idea that between men and women, behaviours like this can be reciprocal, and they can, and, indeed, should be. You will not always be dependable and emotionally sound, and when you are not, she will be your rock, just as you will be for her when she is not. If, being a woman, she is unable to give you the succour you desire, do not blame it upon her womanhood, but upon her failing as an individual; when you love someone, part and parcel of that is knowing them, and knowing a person can enable you to come through for them in many circumstances, to know how to cheer them up, and so on.

-Men are the strength during a crisis.

Again, this is not always so. And to what manner of crisis do you refer? Let us say that for our hypothetical couple, the man's father had died. Certainly this is a crisis for him, but less so for her; does that not put her in a position to be his strength?

-Men risk more rejection for women than vice versa.

This is true, it derives from unalterable biological fact. You might as well wish to be able to fly, as wish for this to change.

-Men stand up for women.

Do you? I stand up for the Elderly, for the disabled, and for the obese, but I do not stand up for women unless I know them and know them to be appreciative of such gestures. If you don't like this expectation, do not play up to it, it is as simple as that.

-Men compliment more, are funnier and care more about cheering a woman up or making her smile.

Again, this is subjective. It depends upon the relationship, the individuals and their personal qualities. Again, you assume synchronicity with regards to emmotional states; is it not possible for a man and a woman to require cheering up at different times, and thus be able to furnish each other with this service mutually?

-Men are usually the more creative/romantic ones.

Now you're simply being rediculous; define creativity and romance, now define exactly how men are more creative and romantic, and show me how you came to this conclusion regarding the 3.4 billion or so women in the world and 3.1 billion or so men; many from wildly different cultures, environments, etc with unique expectations and gender roles.

-Men usually don't feel equally desired/loved.

Did you ask them? You certainly didn't ask me. I would say it depends upon the woman. However we established for your last point, you're slipping into silly hyperbole here.

-Men desire women more than women desire men from a sexual pov.

More silly hyperbole.

-Men give more pleasure in bed. Woman have more partners.

Have you ever actually had sex?

-Women generally come first in relationships.

Which relationships? Intimate relationships, platonic relationships, familial relationships? Between who? Africans, Americans? What? Specify. Try to make sense, don't just throw generalizations around.

-Men provide women with many options on how to live their life.

How many do you provide the women around you? None I'll bet.

-Men do all the gross and laborous work around the house.

Been to every house on earth, spent time enough to form accurate picture of their domestic habits. Quite the traveler, Musicman.

-Men are usually more self sufficient.

This is true, but I don't see how it is bad.

-Men are the ones cooking women gourmet meals and pampering them with massages.

Again, sheer bias hyperbole and rampant generalizations.

Can a woman be equally protective, a strong rock, loving , suppoertive, comforting, courterous and giving?

Absolutely. It depends entirely upon the woman.

I am starting to believe all women demand this sort of treatment.

Some of them do, it's shameful, but nobody will force you to marry one of them.

Ask if she needs anything. This is one that most guys already do, but helps complete the gentleman in all of us nevertheless. When at social events, make sure to ask the lady if you can get her something to drink (or eat, depending on the event). Show her that you care about her comfort and needs.

Why wouldn't you?

Respecting women's intelligence and treating them like women should not be thought of as mutually exclusive ways of thinking. Deep down, we want to be taken care of and be your woman, but we don't want to feel that you're putting us beneath you.

If you want to put your girlfriend beneath you, try it and see what she thinks. She might be more amendable to the idea than you're giving her credit for.

What about his comfort and needs? What about taking care of him? Why can't she do for him equally?

Quite allot.

Well done, Dad.

Balance, thought, circumstance, consideration and discrimination.

A gentleman has manners.

A person you love is treated differently to those you do not love.

Actions MAY be reciprocated and not synchronous ( a sound point, DS).

YOU have choice.

Women MAY offer me much, if they choose to, and I MAY be grateful.

We spend a lot of time discussing and condemning Feminist 'Crimes against Men', but they do not have to include the differential normal offerings between the sexes.

MM, walk away from female rudeness but do not close your eyes or heart to the delights and humanity that other, nicer women offer.

DISTINGUISH.

DISCRIMINATE.

Set high standards. EXPECT a woman to act like a mature, authentic adult with Integrity. Refuse and dismiss the ones who fail to measure up.

if you love a woman, you will not cherish the thought of her coming to harm

because the vice versa doesn't apply right?

a woamn should be equally protective and equally protective emotionally

if not

then she should be more emotionally protective if she needs so much physical protection. she should be the SOLE emotional protector.


this is beyond ridiculous.


if women are not equally strong even if its in different ways no point in dating.


women bascilly have nothing to offer according you. whatever they have to offer a man offers more in the same area.

you abscially say all they do is appreciate

either straight up equality or equal but different needs to apply. not coddling of women.



and please tell me why a man should be the emotional protector if a woman has more emotional outlets? she should be the emotional protecor. she has mom, friends and him. he only has her.


so women are mentally, physically and emotionally weaker. sound like men are parents to women.

Quote from dad_savage

Absolutely. It depends entirely upon the woman.

You just eliminated protective, strong rock, supportive, comforting and courteous from that list if you reread your post? You only left loving which is related to the other things so only giving.

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/war...rouscranus.htm

Quote from dad_savage

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/war...rouscranus.htm

That website is absolutely hilarious, DS. I 've only read through about 7 of the cyber profiles but I've laughed my way through most of them.

Atheist is Deacon's cyber-doppelganger. Deacon and Atheist hold equally fervent, though diametrically opposed beliefs about religion, and both feel compelled to share those beliefs at every possible opportunity. Should an unsuspecting forum member make even a passing comment about faith or spirituality of any flavor, Atheist will descend like one of the Furies, mercilessly hectoring all of the ignorant and delusional believers about the sordid history of the church and the pernicious effects of religion on society. After a few of Atheist’s anti-religious jeremiads most other Warriors will avoid the subject altogether, though Evil Clown may egg him on a little, and Philosopher may amuse himself by pointing out flaws in his reasoning. If a forum has the misfortune of having both Deacon and Atheist as members, the bickering often continues until Nanny or Admin pulls the plug. Bliss Ninny can also sometimes squelch the conversation by saying, “Well, everyone has a right to their [sic] opinion.”

As long as we are pointing out gender differences I will pint out a few.


-Women have an extra layer of fat which protects them from the cold. Who should be getting the car in the rain and giving up their jacket?

-Men are by far more unsafe at night. Who should walk who home?

-Men generally are more accident prone and less likely to be helped if their car breaks down. Who should give up the safer car again?

-Men cry more as babies. Women have more emotional outlets. Who should be the emotional protector and emotionally stronger one?

modern guys sign the feminit peonage contract which features the no fault clause which they are quite partial to exercise or

any guy who proceeds in "relationships " with feminit womyn thinking they are in control is wearing rose coloured spectacles - they are on a leash and on notice to perform or Ms exits

the critical choice is not to select Ms Entitlement - it is the titles to assets she has in mind her intentions are oiled by the feminit corruption of equitable laws ( they existed about forty years ago)

some of the hopeful litany n response situations above - well !!! they say hope springs eternal

Quote from Billy

Women are overall much weaker than men, emotionally as well as physically..

That's not a good thing.

Quote from dad_savage

The female equivalent of chivalry is to show good manners and act in a fashion which is becoming of a lady, which includes a graceful reception of and a measure of attentiveness toward men's sacrifices and chivalry. If you are not made to feel good for showing selflessness, if she does not react in a complimentary fashion to your gentlemanly conduct then she is not worthy of it. It is as simple as that.

What, so if men act chivalrously, all women need do back is express gratitude? That sounds fair, to you? Granted, chivalry would be a lot more pleasurable in the days when women acted appreciative of it, but I still hardly think it sounds fair. You can't say that that still isn't benefitting one gender over the other.

Quote from dad_savage

if you love a woman, you will not cherish the thought of her coming to harm

And if she loves you, would she cherish the thought of you coming to harm?

Quote from dad_savage

Been to every house on earth, spent time enough to form accurate picture of their domestic habits. Quite the traveler, Musicman.

You don't have to visit every house on the planet, in order to gain an overall picture of how things are in western societies.

Quote from musicman.2

-Men cry more as babies.

This made me smile, I dont know how true it is, but I have a daughter who's cry is way beyond the levels of industrial safety even with ear protection..

My grandfather used to remark to my mother that I was destined for a career as a priest, since I never made any sound at all as a baby and was an extremely placid child!

Quote from haahoo

This made me smile, I dont know how true it is, but I have a daughter who's cry is way beyond the levels of industrial safety even with ear protection..

My grandfather used to remark to my mother that I was destined for a career as a priest, since I never made any sound at all as a baby and was an extremely placid child!

I thought narcissists often went through temper tantrums.