So the Feminist Man-Haters and Victim-Mongers were Wrong All Along

**Tyrael** · 8th-January-2011

So the feminist man-haters and victim-mongers were wrong all along
By Cristina Odone Society Last updated: January 4th, 2011

Lock up your daughters, here come the feminists! Or rather, the so-called feminists. Because what is “feminist” about teaching generations of women that men are the enemy, all-powerful, oppressive and malevolent? What is feminist about the message that women are victims, passive and powerless?

Absolutely nothing. And finally, after 50 years of this wrong-headed orthodoxy being dressed up as liberating and empowering, a report exposes it as nothing but a big fat myth. Published today, international research by LSE economist Catherine Hakim shows that, far from hating men, women see them as allies in building a family, and want to rely on them as the main breadwinners. Far from being barred from the top jobs by an oppressive patriarchy, women are choosing lower-rung jobs in order to have more time to bring up children and care for elderly parents.

Women are not passive victims of an all-male professional structure designed to catch them out and keep them down. Women are free agents who – surprise, surprise – choose the way their work to suit their lifestyle. I found this out last year when I did some research into working women in Britain. Hakim’s study shows that the same is true across the world. Her research includes countries as different as Britain, Sweden, and Spain, that women around the world prioritise family above career, husbands above autonomy. It must come as a horrible shock to the “feminists” who preached that only a fat salary can fulfill you and only a big title can make you happy.

More importantly, it will come as a big shock to the Coalition government that has adopted, automatically, the last government’s campaign to promote gender equality. Hakim’s research shows that the Harriet Harman-type policies are founded on those man-hating, victim-mongering myths we can now discard. These policies are not in line with women’s reality or their aspirations. Look at the 2009 Equality Bill, for instance. With this proposed legislation, Harman sought to include new obligations on employers such as compulsory gender pay audits for public bodies and companies as well as urging employers to adopt positive discrimination in favour of women. Yet how could the government seek 50:50 ratio in any board room when 50 per cent of women do not want a high-flying career? As Hakim scathingly puts it, “devoting resources to policies that are bound to fail is a waste of public money – which is doubly irresponsible at a time of economic restraint.”
Hear, hear! Women are finally free of some hurtful and constraining labels. That’s what I call women’s liberation.

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Cristina Odone is a journalist, novelist and broadcaster specialising in the relationship between society, families and faith. She is a Research Fellow at the Centre for Policy Studies and is a former editor of the Catholic Herald and deputy editor of the New Statesman. She is married and lives in west London with her husband, two stepsons and a daughter. Her latest novel, The Good Divorce Guide, is published by Harper Collins.

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**haute macabre** · 8th-January-2011

The U.S Department of Labor did a study on the the pay gap too and they also agreed that women get paid less due to the career choices women make. Plus, women don't work full time as much as men and not as aggressive when asking for a raise.

**Douglas** · 9th-January-2011

Even though it is just in the blogs section, not in the newspaper, it is good to see this kind of thing appearing linked to main media.

However, I think Christine Odone must be under some misapprehension to state

...what is “feminist” about teaching generations of women that men are the enemy, all-powerful, oppressive and malevolent? What is feminist about the message that women are victims, passive and powerless?

Because that's just what feminism, and therefore being feminist, is about! Take away that kind of bigoted bias and we could be talking about some version of egalitarianism.

**Marx** · 9th-January-2011

I think that's her point, Douglad - highlighting that feminism is purely hate campaigns against men.

**wohodude100** · 15th-January-2011

I find it interesting that a blatant pro woman anti male bigot such as Harriet Harman could be in a position of power yet if any politician were to leak anything that could be mild construed as anti woman would be politically destroyed. Feminism has done a damn good job of creating a nice double standard for itself

**rohara** · 15th-January-2011

I have always said to people that when you observe the so called "wage gap" you are indeed observing women exercising choices that men simply do not have. The great preponderance of women would simply never ever take it uppon themselves to assume the responsibility of primary bread winner when they could get a man to do that for them.
Most men, myself included, would be totaly down with an attractive woman approaching them and saying "I want to find a man to have kids with and provide for their material needs while he stays home and takes care of the domestic front." Conversely, could you imagine what a woman would say if a guy said to her: "sweetie, take me in and lets start a family. I will cook and clean for you as well as take care of the kids. It will be brilliant fun lets do it baby!!!!"
Actualy I don't think she would say anything but I do invision a droped jaw and a thousand yard stare.

**Lady Catherine** · 19th-January-2011

Quote from rohara

I have always said to people that when you observe the so called "wage gap" you are indeed observing women exercising choices that men simply do not have. The great preponderance of women would simply never ever take it uppon themselves to assume the responsibility of primary bread winner when they could get a man to do that for them.
Most men, myself included, would be totaly down with an attractive woman approaching them and saying "I want to find a man to have kids with and provide for their material needs while he stays home and takes care of the domestic front." Conversely, could you imagine what a woman would say if a guy said to her: "sweetie, take me in and lets start a family. I will cook and clean for you as well as take care of the kids. It will be brilliant fun lets do it baby!!!!"
Actualy I don't think she would say anything but I do invision a droped jaw and a thousand yard stare.

I willingly chose to be the breadwinner, and he chose to supporter. This works for us, but it wouldn't work for every one.

**Douglas** · 19th-January-2011

Quote from Lady Catherine

I willingly chose to be the breadwinner, and he chose to supporter. This works for us, but it wouldn't work for every one.

Do you consider that you are the exception?

If so:
How rare would you say it is for a woman to be willing to be the full-time supporter of a house-husband? One in ten; one in a thousand; one in a hundred thousand ..?
Do you think that the arrangement you have is anything to do with feminism, or do you think that such an arrangement was possible 50 and 100 years ago?
Do you think that feminists have stated things correctly in saying that women, in general, prefer to work and earn money rather than stay at home; or the other feminist idea that it is possible to work and earn money AND raise children, on one's own?

**Redpill** · 19th-January-2011

Wow! What a suprise. Another woman finally sees the deception that is feminism. It took 60 years for women to finally figure out that they are slaves of the system. PFFT!!! Whatever the fuck ever! This shit doesn't surprise me one bit. I used to have sympathy for women who came on this website, crying about how feminism deprives them of rights too. You have to question why women are taking a stand against feminism. Is it to save their own asses from impending doom? HMM?? I wonder... I mean the government backs them up in every way, so why would they want to give up that lifeline, huh? Isn't it fun subjugating innocent men? Can somebody give me a straight answer? I know that I plan on being a man going his own way, so I have no desire to take care of a woman, or even deal with a so-called "independent" working class woman. I don't need pussy, and I would rather adopt children, if I ever get the chance. I no longer trust these women who claim to be our allies. They don't call it a GENDER WAR for nothing, am I right?

**Popadibs** · 19th-January-2011

Quote from Redpill

Wow! What a suprise. Another woman finally sees the deception that is feminism. It took 60 years for women to finally figure out that they are slaves of the system. PFFT!!! Whatever the fuck ever! This shit doesn't surprise me one bit. I used to have sympathy for women who came on this website, crying about how feminism deprives them of rights too. You have to question why women are taking a stand against feminism. Is it to save their own asses from impending doom? HMM?? I wonder... I mean the government backs them up in every way, so why would they want to give up that lifeline, huh? Isn't it fun subjugating innocent men? Can somebody give me a straight answer? I know that I plan on being a man going his own way, so I have no desire to take care of a woman, or even deal with a so-called "independent" working class woman. I don't need pussy, and I would rather adopt children, if I ever get the chance. I no longer trust these women who claim to be our allies. They don't call it a GENDER WAR for nothing, am I right?

I think about that too, especially the bold. Women only care about how feminism affects women but expect men to care about women too. So who is left to care about men?

**Redpill** · 19th-January-2011

Quote from Popadibs

I think about that too, especially the bold. Women only care about how feminism affects women but expect men to care about women too. So who is left to care about men?

Exactly. I question their motives, and from what I can see, lately there are a hell of a lot of females who come on sites like this, and all they talk about is how men and women should band together too end feminism, or that it pains them to see men suffer. But then somewhere down the line, a disagreement always ensues. They are the main recipients of feminism, and they want to talk about men and women banding together. And alot of these women admittingly call themselves feminists, which makes you a bit weary and cautious.

**Popadibs** · 19th-January-2011

Quote from Redpill

Exactly. I question their motives, and from what I can see, lately there are a hell of a lot of females who come on sites like this, and all they talk about is how men and women should band together too end feminism, or that it pains them to see men suffer. But then somewhere down the line, a disagreement always ensues. They are the main recipients of feminism, and they want to talk about men and women banding together. And alot of these women admittingly call themselves feminists, which makes you a bit weary and cautious.

We could go on about the various details but bottom line, did these women talk about working together BEFORE or AFTER feminism ran its course ruining men's lives in the process, negatively impacted women as a result of this and instigated possible backlash? A parasite can not survive without a host. If they really opposed feminism they'd have done it long before now. It's like if your spouse is biten by a cobra, you have an hour to save them and you wait 45 minutes to attempt to save them. Most of the damage will have already been done. Would you wait that long to help someone you care about? Would it really take that long to notice the snake bite if you cared?

They are akin to a bandwagon fan jumping off of the wagon because another team has started winning.

**Douglas** · 19th-January-2011

Quote from Popadibs

Originally Posted by Redpill

Wow! What a suprise. Another woman finally sees the deception that is feminism. It took 60 years for women to finally figure out that they are slaves of the system. PFFT!!! Whatever the fuck ever! This shit doesn't surprise me one bit. I used to have sympathy for women who came on this website, crying about how feminism deprives them of rights too. You have to question why women are taking a stand against feminism. Is it to save their own asses from impending doom? HMM?? I wonder... I mean the government backs them up in every way, so why would they want to give up that lifeline, huh? Isn't it fun subjugating innocent men? Can somebody give me a straight answer? I know that I plan on being a man going his own way, so I have no desire to take care of a woman, or even deal with a so-called "independent" working class woman. I don't need pussy, and I would rather adopt children, if I ever get the chance. I no longer trust these women who claim to be our allies. They don't call it a GENDER WAR for nothing, am I right?

I think about that too, especially the bold. Women only care about how feminism affects women but expect men to care about women too. So who is left to care about men?

It is natural that we all will care more about what affects us than affects anyone else: that's basic self-preservation. So an man will care more about what affects men than women; a Christian will care more about what affects Christians than what affects Buddhists; an American will care more about what affects Americans than what affects Mongolians; etc. Most of all we care about what affects us as individuals.

I don't think it is accurate to say that women only care about how feminism affects women. It may well be true that it is all that feminists - male or female - care about but I know many women who are awake to feminism who truly care about the affect on men. After all, what adversely affects a man will adversely affect someone who loves that man, just as what adversely affects a woman will adversely affect someone who loves that woman.

It is not women who introduced the gender war, it was feminism: both men and women, albeit more of the latter. To perpetuate the gender war is to give in to feminist ideology, to allow feminist ideals to win.

Anti-feminists should not surrender to the gender war but nor should they seek to perpetuate it.

**Redpill** · 20th-January-2011

Quote from Douglas

It is natural that we all will care more about what affects us than affects anyone else: that's basic self-preservation. So an man will care more about what affects men than women; a Christian will care more about what affects Christians than what affects Buddhists; an American will care more about what affects Americans than what affects Mongolians; etc. Most of all we care about what affects us as individuals.

I don't think it is accurate to say that women only care about how feminism affects women. It may well be true that it is all that feminists - male or female - care about but I know many women who are awake to feminism who truly care about the affect on men. After all, what adversely affects a man will adversely affect someone who loves that man, just as what adversely affects a woman will adversely affect someone who loves that woman.

It is not women who introduced the gender war, it was feminism: both men and women, albeit more of the latter. To perpetuate the gender war is to give in to feminist ideology, to allow feminist ideals to win.

Anti-feminists should not surrender to the gender war but nor should they seek to perpetuate it.

Well I guess you are right Douglas. I can't let all this anger and negativity get to me. That is exactly what feminists want, for people to be angry and hateful. They promote gender separatism, and I have no right to hold innocent women accountable for what feminists - male and female - have done to society. It is not in my place. Just all the misandry and depravity is too much to bear, but in order to combat it, one must have a stable frame of mind, and attack the enemy with confidence.

**Douglas** · 20th-January-2011

Quote from Popadibs

We could go on about the various details but bottom line, did these women talk about working together BEFORE or AFTER feminism ran its course ruining men's lives in the process, negatively impacted women as a result of this and instigated possible backlash? A parasite can not survive without a host. If they really opposed feminism they'd have done it long before now.

Isn't it equally reasonable to ask whether men talked about "working together BEFORE or AFTER feminism ran its course ruining men's lives in the process." Where were we when feminism was damaging society? Where were our voices? Why didn't men see what was coming and band together to stop it. It's not as though feminism has ever been more than a minority movement - it could have been overwhelmed easily by men banding together against it.

Surely, if men really opposed feminism they'd have done it long before now?

The bitter truth is that we all (and I'm old enough to include myself) did nothing, or certainly did far too little. Most people never read up on what the feminists were doing. As I discuss on my blog, many of us saw the Women's Liberation Movement campaign as basically fair and while we might have thought them a bit whacko and over-excited, the idea of equal pay and not being discriminated against in hospitals etc. seemed acceptable. I think very few people realised that feminism took over. I knew about feminism way back as a teen (pre-teen?) and disliked the messages. I was even politically aware enough to know of some of the disputes between feminists and "Women's Libbers" but even so I don't think it ever occurred to me that feminism would have a big impact. If you think I owe an apology, then I give it freely. Maybe I should have seen it; maybe I should have been aware. The Women's Liberation Movement effectively folded having achieved its aims and we heard little about feminism: there weren't the big street campaigns nor the sudden alterations of all sorts of laws. Feminism WAS easily visible if you looked for it but it was mostly working in the background, laws were changing gradually and none of the changes, by themselves were really enough to worry about .. until (for me) 'positive discrimination' came in.

So I sit here feeling sorry to all of you. I didn't do enough to stop it. But nor did you. So let's stop blaming one another for what we didn't do, and get on and do something now, with as many allies as we can gather, with as much support as we can find, from wherever we can get it.